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Post by yamfriend on Jul 4, 2010 19:23:30 GMT -5
The other day, I watched Sasuke 13 on G4 and saw that the first person they showed clear Stage 1 was a man by the name of Shigenori Ueki. Since I never heard of this guy in any other competitions, I checked him up on Sasukepedia and was shocked to see that despite clearing Stage 1 in this attempt, he never got another chance on the course, which I thought was pretty unfair considering his performance in 13 (timed out before Wall Lifting IIRC). (Next thing in spoiler tags just in case) Same thing goes for Satoshi Nakamura (the guy who got disqualified on the Salmon Ladder in 23), who wasn't invited back for 24 or 25 despite beating Stage 1 of Shin-Sasuke in his only tournament so far. There are probably multiple other examples of competitors who did relatively well in their debut tournament, yet they never got a second chance to continue competing after such a good starting tournament. Now I know that they do in fact let some competitors to return after they do well in their first tournament (ex.: Paul Anthony Terek), as well as that some competitors are unable to compete again due to a wide variety of reasons (ex.: #83 in Sasuke 6 who made it all the way to the Cliff Hanger in his only attempt at Sasuke but never returned due to other things coming up and/or didn't want to compete again IIRC), but there are others who've done well in their first tournament and were still denied more opportunities to compete in Sasuke. Basically, what I'm trying to ask is: if a person meets certain requirements in a Sasuke tournament (especially their first one), should they automatically be allowed to return for at least one more competition considering they would like to? What do all of you think about this idea?  |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2010 19:28:54 GMT -5
Who says they weren't invited back.. They probably were and just couldn't/didn't want to come back... I know it's shocking since the people would be here don't have one.. But some people have these things called "Lifes".. Also Levi, Brian and Richard were invited to 24 but couldn't make it since they all were busy but they all competed in 25 now didn't they? |
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Post by supersheep on Jul 4, 2010 20:24:23 GMT -5
I'm one of the few who doesn't agree with this,
I think it really depends on the tournament, I dont think having a blanket rule is the proper way. Should 40 people have gotten auto invites to Sasuke 5 because they cleared Sasuke 4? Should only 2 get auto invites for Sasuke 20?
Those aren't exactly easy questions and its not as cut and dry and some may say.
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Post by yamfriend on Jul 4, 2010 21:39:36 GMT -5
Who says they weren't invited back.. They probably were and just couldn't/didn't want to come back... I know it's shocking since the people would be here don't have one.. But some people have these things called "Lifes".. Also Levi, Brian and Richard were invited to 24 but couldn't make it since they all were busy but they all competed in 25 now didn't they? I get that this may have been true in some of these cases, but I doubt that all 100% of people who did well/would have been able to come back next tournament weren't allowed to do so for one reason or another, even if they requested for this to happen. All that I'm trying to say is that in the past if someone got pretty far and wanted to (and was also able to) compete again in the next tournament but was denied by M9 to do so, that wouldn't really be fair considering they only got 1 chance. IIRC, Bunpei failed the WW in his first appearance (Sasuke 9) but wasn't invited back for 10 for some reason (I know he didn't pass Stage 1 in this example, but if you ask me this was a pretty good debut at the time and IMO should've been worthy of another appearance the next tournament anyway). Just imagine how much different Sasuke history would be if Bunpei wasn't given the chance to return for Sasuke 11 and beyond. I'm one of the few who doesn't agree with this, I think it really depends on the tournament, I dont think having a blanket rule is the proper way. Should 40 people have gotten auto invites to Sasuke 5 because they cleared Sasuke 4? Should only 2 get auto invites for Sasuke 20? Those aren't exactly easy questions and its not as cut and dry and some may say. I guess it could depend from tournament to tournament, though there would have to be some general rules. For example, since 2 people cleared Stage 1 in Sasuke 19 doesn't mean that only those 2 should get automatic invites to Sasuke 20 while the other 98 spots need to be earned through trials and the like; instead, these other spots should be determined based at least partially on past performances for the serious competitors and leave the remaining spots for trial qualifiers and other people who make Sasuke what it is. Besides, even if so many people cleared Stage 1 (like in Sasuke 4), there would probably still be a good amount of remaining spots left for other people who want to compete. Maybe I'm thinking too hard about a Sasuke-related topic like this---I don't know. Then again, that's what Sasuke maniacs tend to do...  |
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Post by supersheep on Jul 4, 2010 21:54:00 GMT -5
When it comes right down to it, they are going to invite whoever the hell they want.
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Post by RobbyMac on Jul 5, 2010 1:49:31 GMT -5
This is my opinion:
If you pass stage 1, you deserve an invite back to at least 1 more competition.
If you pass stage 2, you deserve invites to at least 3 more competitions.
If you pass stage 3, you deserve invites to at least 5 more competitions.
If you achieve Kanzenseiha, you deserve to compete in any Sasuke you wish.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 5, 2010 9:40:29 GMT -5
Especially with how many people get cut from the earlier broadcasts it's impossible to know if they DIDN'T get a second shot. We found out years later that a lot of people got other chances but were cut from broadcast but to say that they didn't get a shot is wrong. The hard and fast rule is clear. Monster 9 has the rule if you clear once you get an invite back. It's up to them to keep extending the invite if you fail the next time because of various reasons (fan mail, they liked you, you weren't an a**, you fit their theme that tournament), etc. Arguing about if they deserve it or not is simply sour grapes IMO. This rule is not going to change.. it's called COURTESY.. if you managed to clear stage 1 you get a chance back provided you don't burn your bridges when you were there (so to speak) as some did in the past. Heck.. look at Koji Yamada.. he had an invite back but didn't want to return.
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Post by quasikoz on Jul 5, 2010 15:42:06 GMT -5
When it comes right down to it, they are going to invite whoever the hell they want. Agreed. That being said, with the way Sasuke is built now having auto invites would be nice. Back when 30+ were clearing the early versions of Sasuke it'd be hard to pull off, but with a dozen or so clearing modern-day 1st Stages of Sasuke, auto invites would be a gentleman's thing to do. It's gives M9 a chance to tell a continuing story about a competitor and it gives that competitor a chance to improve. But yea, M9 will invite whoever they want and whoever will get them ratings. |
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Post by davidyko on Jul 11, 2010 14:03:03 GMT -5
With the low number of first-timer clears these days, I think M9 can afford to invite everyone who manages to pass Stage 1, though they're of course not required to. Of course what they should focus on is dealing with the awful ratings...(though 25 was partially caused by the Mao Asada, sure.)
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Post by arsenette on Jul 11, 2010 15:07:12 GMT -5
I think people are somehow confusing "auto invites" with a "paid invite".. no one gets "paid" or their airfare/accommodations unless they are stars somehow.. so the invite is a courtesy that is easily given. It's up to them to accept and make it back. When you guys confuse the ANW guys.. G4 ALWAYS pays that since that's part of the agreement. M9 has a right to ask for whoever the hell they want and considering that the courtesy is extended at all times it's up to G4 to pay for people like Levi. As for people like PAT, TBS has always paid for him since the invite does not go through G4 at all since he is an Olympic Athlete therefore in another category altogether. Lee's invitation always went through JET until the contract expired and they realized that Lee had no way of getting back to Sasuke without financial help. That's when he got the invite and paid way back to Sasuke directly through TBS.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 16, 2010 1:45:01 GMT -5
Poor Nagano, and Akiyama. They've lost out twice in a row, but s*** happens.
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