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Post by vokloko on Jun 28, 2010 9:05:22 GMT -5
Who do you think is fit enough to be an all star? I think Li En Zhi and Yoshiyuki Okuyama.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 28, 2010 11:54:31 GMT -5
If by All-Star you mean one of the Shin Sedai (a.k.a. New Stars), then there are a few possible candidates (the original 6 All-Stars are the only people that can be dubbed with this title IMO). Nevertheless, Li En Zhi and Yoshiyuki Okuyama being part of the New Stars probably won't happen. Li En Zhi isn't from Japan, which makes me think that they wouldn't want to call him a New-Star because every All-Star and New Star so far is a Japan native. Yoshiyuki Okuyama is nearly 40 already, and as a result probably wouldn't be able to retain the consistency that he showed during Shin-Sasuke for much longer.
Besides, they've already seemed to establish the New Stars, which include at least Yuuji Urushihara and Hitoshi Kanno (I say at least because there are a few other candidates, such as Koji Hashimoto, Naoya Tajima, and Jun Sato). All of them still have plenty of potential in Sasuke for years to come and have all showed what they have to offer in the latter half of Shin-Sasuke.
As for the other competitors who have done well in the more recent tournaments who are neither an All-Star nor a New Star, I think that they should have their own classification. Possible candidates for this miscellaneous group of Stars and the reason why I think this:
1) Li En Zhi (passed Shin-Sasuke's First Stage 4 times in a row from 21-24; has only failed Stage 1 once in his 6 attempts at Sasuke; has never failed early in Stage 2, i.e. before the Metal Spin; Sasuke 24 finalist)
2) Yoshiyuki Okuyama (reached at least the Warped Wall in every tournament from 19 to 24; passed Shin-Sasuke's First Stage in 20, 22, 23, and 24; reached Shin-Sasuke's Third Stage 3 times in a row from 22-24; Sasuke 24 finalist)
3) Kenji Takahashi (passed Stage 1 in 5 tournaments (7, 16, 18, 23, and 24); has reached at least Stage 3 in all tournaments that he has cleared Stage 1 (i.e. he has never failed Stage 2 yet); finalist in Sasuke 24 and nearly a finalist in Sasuke 23; usually finishes a stage with plenty of time left on the clock)
4) Levi Meeuwenberg (only person to reach Stage 3 in Sasuke 20, which was his first tournament; cleared Stage 1 in 3 out of his 4 attempts of Stage 1, and reached Stage 3 in 2 out of his 3 Stage 2 attempts; extremely quick and agile (always clears a stage with at least 15 seconds to spare, and usually more than 20 seconds left))
5) Brian Orosco (fairly consistent, as he has done better every time he's come to Sasuke so far; cleared Stage 1 in 2 out of his 3 attempts on it)
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2010 12:24:42 GMT -5
Okuyama already belongs to a club.. he is part of the Sasuke Veteran's group which also includes Kenji Takahashi. Everyone else is either going to be added to the New Stars or Foreigners (and dubbed by their own country as their #1 - like Levi in USA and Lee in Taiwan). TBS has been happy creating sub categories has been evident in post Sasuke 21 broadcasts and I am sure they will add more to the existing categories or even invent new ones as they see fit. Though I don't see anyone being added in the original All-Star position. The most they would do there is retire more. So far 4 of them still compete, Bunpei is still injured iirc and Yamada officially retired again. Even so.. they don't strip titles so they will always be All-Stars even if they don't compete.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 28, 2010 12:37:52 GMT -5
Okuyama already belongs to a club.. he is part of the Sasuke Veteran's group which also includes Kenji Takahashi. Everyone else is either going to be added to the New Stars or Foreigners (and dubbed by their own country as their #1 - like Levi in USA and Lee in Taiwan). TBS has been happy creating sub categories has been evident in post Sasuke 21 broadcasts and I am sure they will add more to the existing categories or even invent new ones as they see fit. Is that sort of like how they did it in Sasuke 23 as part of the Stage 2 intro? Because IIRC, they did it like this: Sasuke Veterans-Kenji Takahashi -Yoshiyuki Okuyama -Shingo Yamamoto -Toshihiro Takeda -Makoto Nagano Sasuke Newcomers-Naoya Tajima -Koji Hashimoto -Satoshi Nakamura -Jun Sato -Yoshiki Ito -Hitoshi Kanno -Yuuji Urushihara Sasuke Foreigners-Richard King -Brian Orosco -Li En Zhi -Levi Meeuwenberg So basically right now there's basically 3 Sasuke classes I guess. Veterans, newcomers, and foreigners (reminds me a little of the whole thing with all 3 groups rivaling each other when they were saying that pre-Sasuke 24 IIRC  ). Either way, I'll go with it.  |
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2010 13:09:53 GMT -5
They stuck the 3 allstars still in the running in the vets group but they still never lost their moniker. That was the tourney were the vets came back with a vengence but there are technically 6 groups.. All-Stars, New Stars, Vets, Foreigners, Comedians, Joke.. + of course the rest of the pack but they are just competitors and not put into categories until they actually do well.
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Post by vokloko on Jun 28, 2010 14:35:41 GMT -5
I had no idea they had those other groups (veterans, foreigners, comedians). I knew about the joke people though.
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 28, 2010 14:48:06 GMT -5
They stuck the 3 allstars still in the running in the vets group but they still never lost their moniker. That was the tourney were the vets came back with a vengence but there are technically 6 groups.. All-Stars, New Stars, Vets, Foreigners, Comedians, Joke.. + of course the rest of the pack but they are just competitors and not put into categories until they actually do well. Okay, I see what you mean. Yamamoto, Takeda, and Nagano were still considered All-Stars when put into that group with Takahashi and Okuyama, but still retained their All-Star status. They just put them together because they're technically all considered in a similar-enough category that they could do so without breaking them up further (i.e. having an "All-Star" group of 3 and then a "Veteran" group of 2 would be more awkward than just having all 5 of them in a single group IMO). Thanks for making these classifications easier to understand.  I had no idea they had those other groups (veterans, foreigners, comedians). I knew about the joke people though. Oh, you mean these guys? |
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2010 14:56:57 GMT -5
Aahahaah on the demotivator. I almost forgot that TBS seems to be evolving with the times especially since more and more competitors are actually doing well for longer periods of time. So many have left the show or stopped doing well that it's kinda difficult to keep these groups updated. I think that's why they haven't added to the list but decided to branch out and add more groups. I kinda like that Also less painful when someone either stops doing well (like Yamada and Akiyama) but still retaining their popularity status by keeping the title. I love how they kept Akiyama recently and putting him in a more honorary role even though we know it's a very slim chance he'd ever be champion again. Let's hope Bunpei can return again given especially since he passed the first stage the last time he was in Sasuke! I'm also happy that they are bringing more people into the foray since in the past it was all about the All-Stars completely overshadowing people that were doing well. Maybe there is hope that with the inclusion of the other groups highlighted there will be more opportunities to see the favorites we have get better press. They first have to start with their most recent champion.. because TBS failed miserably leading up to Sasuke 25 in promoting Yuuji. |
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Post by Zorn on Jun 28, 2010 16:23:40 GMT -5
I'm also happy that they are bringing more people into the foray since in the past it was all about the All-Stars completely overshadowing people that were doing well. Maybe there is hope that with the inclusion of the other groups highlighted there will be more opportunities to see the favorites we have get better press. They first have to start with their most recent champion.. because TBS failed miserably leading up to Sasuke 25 in promoting Yuuji. It sounds great that they're doing this, Sasuke just doesn't revolve around the All-Stars. |
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