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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2010 22:45:44 GMT -5
So idk if anyone saw the first episode of the season, but honestly, I'm really impressed with the obstacles these guys come up with. It's constantly fresh and new, M9 needs to take note imo.
Really wished that bearded guy would've won.
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Post by TCM on Jun 3, 2010 22:57:50 GMT -5
Difference with Wipeout is, you can keep going if you don't complete the obstacle. People need to stop comparing and/or referencing Wipeout to Sasuke and vice versa. Two totally different shows, the only connection they have is they both are obstacle courses. One's a time trial, another is a "continue until you fall in water". Wipeout has that liberty of placing something new in almost every week because of the relative simplicity of their obstacles. Sasuke keeps obstacles based on performance/praticality. In simpler terms, Wipeout changes for ratings (keeping things interesting), Sasuke mostly goes by a "if it ain't broke, don't fix it just yet" mentality.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 4, 2010 1:37:17 GMT -5
Actually TBS has already done Wipeout.. it's called Takeshi's Castle.. and that was the show ABC ripped off lock-stock and barrel. For M9 to copy something already done by it's predecessor when Higuchi was TBS sports guy doing programming for them is kinda dumb since he did it already. One major point of contention in terms of the Wipeout format and the reason why I stopped watching is exactly what G4fan said. I despise that if they fail they are allowed to continue. It's no longer a competition and that's what sets Sasuke .. hell... even Takeshi's Castle apart from Wipeout.
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Post by Gavo on Jun 4, 2010 6:06:00 GMT -5
Just finished watching it and OMG it was amazing. I love the new 2nd round (Overdrive or something like that) and the new motivator was much better than the old one. Bruiseball was great aswell But I hope it's not always going to be a bonus round and the circus was alright I guess. But damn the new wipeout zone was fantastic.
However the first qualifier obstacle sucked but the others were cool, those wipeouts the love handles gave were incredible. Never really liked the sucker punch, but the paint shooting out was cool. And of course the hosts were hilarious as always.
I don't mind that when you fall you can continue because the show is meant to have as many wipeouts as possible, thus the name wipeout. Can't get many wipeouts when everyone fails the first obstacle. Also I don't see many similarities between wipeout and Takeshi's castle except they both use giant obstacle courses.
Can't wait for the series to fully start in three weeks.
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Post by HarlequinKnight on Jun 4, 2010 7:03:04 GMT -5
One major point of contention in terms of the Wipeout format and the reason why I stopped watching is exactly what G4fan said. I despise that if they fail they are allowed to continue. It's no longer a competition and that's what sets Sasuke .. hell... even Takeshi's Castle apart from Wipeout. That's really just showing how the two shows cater to different audiences. The Japanese really don't mind if nobody wins, as long as there is lots of mayhem and everyone has fun. Wipeout gives a winner every episode, which I think gives an insight into the American psyche. Your average Joe needs a winner and can't accept the idea of "the course" winning. And since half the people who are on Wipeout appear to be overweight or unfit, the rules are changed to ensure that someone defeats the course.
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Post by chackpop on Jun 4, 2010 7:46:10 GMT -5
I haven't seen it yet, I was busy that night, but I'm about to watch the first episode on Youtube.
Can't wait to see it!
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 4, 2010 10:51:25 GMT -5
Arsenette, the obstacles are designed to be spectacularly failed with a rare few getting through.
The whole point of this show is to see amazing Wipeouts and insane obstacles.
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Post by TCM on Jun 4, 2010 18:03:17 GMT -5
Arsenette, the obstacles are designed to be spectacularly failed with a rare few getting through. The whole point of this show is to see amazing Wipeouts and insane obstacles. Which is what Takeshi's Castle/MXC was essentially like she said. ABC just modernized it for American audiences. I like both shows, I'm just tired of the comparisons.
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 4, 2010 18:20:15 GMT -5
I see very few similarities between Wipeout and Takeshi's Castle besides the whimsical nature of the obstacles.
At the true heart of Takeshi's Castle was actually an extremely difficult competition. Like Sasuke, it was rarely won and one fail knocked you out. Of course, there was a large amount of luck, but still more skill than anything on Wipeout.
Dare I say Takeshi's Castle is actually closer to Sasuke.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 4, 2010 19:12:20 GMT -5
Actually TBS has already done Wipeout.. it's called Takeshi's Castle.. and that was the show ABC ripped off lock-stock and barrel. For M9 to copy something already done by it's predecessor when Higuchi was TBS sports guy doing programming for them is kinda dumb since he did it already. One major point of contention in terms of the Wipeout format and the reason why I stopped watching is exactly what G4fan said. I despise that if they fail they are allowed to continue. It's no longer a competition and that's what sets Sasuke .. hell... even Takeshi's Castle apart from Wipeout. Well.. Just enjoy it for what it is.. It's called "Wipeout".. Not "Look at them pass obstacles"
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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2010 19:36:20 GMT -5
When I see Wipoeout, Sasuke, or MXC, I see the exact same thing.
An obstacle course.
And as far as thats concerned, Sasuke's been lacking in the obstacle department while Wipeout constantly adds new ones.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 4, 2010 22:25:14 GMT -5
I forgot to mention it, When I watched that "Bruise-ball" thing they did.. And with their theme... I kept thinking of this XD
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Post by jfeathe on Jun 4, 2010 22:37:55 GMT -5
I forgot to mention it, When I watched that "Bruise-ball" thing they did.. And with their theme... I kept thinking of this XD So vulgar; my innocence is destroyed.
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Post by TCM on Jun 5, 2010 17:50:40 GMT -5
When I see Wipoeout, Sasuke, or MXC, I see the exact same thing. An obstacle course. And as far as thats concerned, Sasuke's been lacking in the obstacle department while Wipeout constantly adds new ones. Like I said, Wipeout has that liberty to add new ones more often. Wipeout's obstacle sole purpose is to see you fall in hillarious, often painful ways. Sasuke's has to find a balance, something you pass, but at the same time, you can fail just as swiftly. As I mentioned: Sasuke goes by "If it ain't broke, don't fix it (just yet)"
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Post by chackpop on Jun 5, 2010 20:34:26 GMT -5
Wipeout could never come up with something as clever as the Unstable Bridge or the Salmon Ladder.
Likewise, most of the falls on Sasuke obstacles aren't that entertaining, save for a few. ex. Takeda in 23.
They both have faults.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2010 20:46:49 GMT -5
When I see Wipoeout, Sasuke, or MXC, I see the exact same thing. An obstacle course. And as far as thats concerned, Sasuke's been lacking in the obstacle department while Wipeout constantly adds new ones. Like I said, Wipeout has that liberty to add new ones more often. Wipeout's obstacle sole purpose is to see you fall in hillarious, often painful ways. Sasuke's has to find a balance, something you pass, but at the same time, you can fail just as swiftly. As I mentioned: Sasuke goes by "If it ain't broke, don't fix it (just yet)" That doesn't tell me anything. Sasuke's found their balance, Something they can pass, but at the same time, you can fail just as swiftly. Most every Wipeout obstacle is like that. If Nagano could do Wipeout, there's a few obstacles where I would be nervous for him to run. The reason why people fail "Wipeout" a s*** load more than on Sasuke, isn't because the obstacles are harder and meant for Wipeouts, I'm pretty sure its because the people on Wipeout don't train to be on Wipeout, there not buff, and they can't do 30 pull ups, so their bound to fail it. Every Wipeout Obstacle is passable. (Save the spiked obstacle in the final stage)
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Post by TCM on Jun 5, 2010 22:12:57 GMT -5
If we created success rates for those obstacles, most would be in single digits. Yeah, they do get mostly un-athletic people, but even the ones with jobs that require fitness fail obstacles, its not like every fit and/or athletic person on Wipeout has passed every obstacle. Plus, I never said the obstacles were harder nor did I imply that
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jun 6, 2010 2:52:52 GMT -5
List of tough obstacles on wipeout: Spinner,Sweeper,Big Balls, none.
BTW Takeshi's castle is airing today on my country! Cannot miss that!
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Post by yamfriend on Jun 6, 2010 10:49:34 GMT -5
And as far as thats concerned, Sasuke's been lacking in the obstacle department while Wipeout constantly adds new ones. If by this you mean that Sasuke's running out of new ideas for obstacles, then I agree with you on this. Although I don't enjoy or watch Wipeout close to as much as I enjoy Sasuke, Wipeout does seem to have more ideas for obstacles than Sasuke and doesn't look like it's going to run out of new ones any time soon. However, like pretty much everyone else has said so far, Wipeout's obstacles are meant to knock you out at least a few times, i.e. if on Wipeout you couldn't fall at all like on Sasuke in order to win, we'd probably never see a winner for a long time. Either way, Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>> Wipeout IMO, despite having somewhat less interesting/challenging obstacles lately (X-Bridge and Rope Junction, for example). Now if only M9/TBS looked at this site more for obstacle ideas from all of us... ;D BTW, wasn't Wipeout supposed to be cancelled after some incident where a contestant died afterwards due to heat exhaustion or something like that? Because IIRC, there was a thread on here that said that (can't find it anymore for some reason). On a lighter note... Likewise, most of the falls on Sasuke obstacles aren't that entertaining, save for a few. ex. Takeda in 23. That can't be said without having this mentioned (thanks to Rider for this).
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2010 13:11:07 GMT -5
If we created success rates for those obstacles, most would be in single digits. Yeah, they do get mostly un-athletic people, but even the ones with jobs that require fitness fail obstacles, its not like every fit and/or athletic person on Wipeout has passed every obstacle. Plus, I never said the obstacles were harder nor did I imply that Your saying that Wipeouts obstacles are meant for people to fail. To me, that means its a hard obstacle, so hard its meant to not be passed. But I don't think thats the case. I think if Sasuke people did Wipeout, alot would pass the first stage (Beating every obstacle) The only obstacle in Wipeout that is so hard, it probably can't be passed is the Sucker Punch and the spiked obstacle in the final stage. Every other obstacle is passable. I could see the Big Balls being in Sasuke, as well as every other obstacle, and vice versa. If the Jump Hang appeared on Wipeout, everybody would fail the obstacle expect one or 2 people. Maybe I'm not understanding you, I don't know... And as far as thats concerned, Sasuke's been lacking in the obstacle department while Wipeout constantly adds new ones. If by this you mean that Sasuke's running out of new ideas for obstacles, then I agree with you on this. Although I don't enjoy or watch Wipeout close to as much as I enjoy Sasuke, Wipeout does seem to have more ideas for obstacles than Sasuke and doesn't look like it's going to run out of new ones any time soon. However, like pretty much everyone else has said so far, Wipeout's obstacles are meant to knock you out at least a few times, i.e. if on Wipeout you couldn't fall at all like on Sasuke in order to win, we'd probably never see a winner for a long time. Either way, Sasuke >>>>>>>>>>> Wipeout IMO, despite having somewhat less interesting/challenging obstacles lately (X-Bridge and Rope Junction, for example). Now if only M9/TBS looked at this site more for obstacle ideas from all of us... ;D BTW, wasn't Wipeout supposed to be cancelled after some incident where a contestant died afterwards due to heat exhaustion or something like that? Because IIRC, there was a thread on here that said that (can't find it anymore for some reason). On a lighter note... Likewise, most of the falls on Sasuke obstacles aren't that entertaining, save for a few. ex. Takeda in 23. That can't be said without having this mentioned (thanks to Rider for this). I'm not saying Wipeout is better than Sasuke. There's still PLENTY of things in Sasuke that kick Wipeout's a**. I'm just talking strictly about the obstacles, nothing more.
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