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Post by papermario128 on Mar 29, 2010 6:47:10 GMT -5
Anyone think they just put in the Ultimate Cliffhanger expecting it to be removed for the next tournament? I'm sure that if all four passed it at least one would go to the Final Stage and they didn't want anyone in the Final Stage, plus they know which obstacles to keep, which to throw out, what the competitors are struggling on, etc.
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Post by jfeathe on Mar 29, 2010 9:16:00 GMT -5
If someone passed the UCH, there was a strong possibility someone would make the final stage. The Jumping Rings to the "Ascending Ropes" is probably easier than the previous 3 obstacle combo.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 10:17:04 GMT -5
If someone passed the UCH, there was a strong possibility someone would make the final stage. The Jumping Rings to the "Ascending Ropes" is probably easier than the previous 3 obstacle combo. Maybe they can put a Crocodile Bridge obstacle after the CH - sort of James Bond style!
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Post by thebobmaster on Mar 29, 2010 15:57:13 GMT -5
If someone passed the UCH, there was a strong possibility someone would make the final stage. The Jumping Rings to the "Ascending Ropes" is probably easier than the previous 3 obstacle combo. Maybe they can put a Crocodile Bridge obstacle after the CH - sort of James Bond style! Forget that. Put lasers after the UCH. It's not like anyone will make it that far.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 15:59:15 GMT -5
I garentee you, in a month, the Unlimited Cliffers will be doing this forward and backwards. I can't wait until someone completes it.
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Post by Oti on Mar 29, 2010 16:51:53 GMT -5
Seriously, what JP said. This is JUST like the old Cliff Hanger. Everyone thought it was impossible until a couple of months later when even 12 year old kids on Youtube were doing it.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 17:46:48 GMT -5
I garentee you, in a month, the Unlimited Cliffers will be doing this forward and backwards. I can't wait until someone completes it. They have already put up their plan of attack Heck.. their head engineer (Keita) already has declared it beatable in about 1-2 years.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 20:34:20 GMT -5
Seriously, what JP said. This is JUST like the old Cliff Hanger. Everyone thought it was impossible until a couple of months later when even 12 year old kids on Youtube were doing it. Yes they are the same. They both have ledges. I mean, come on people, I understand the "everyone said the shin-CH was beatable once too" argument- I was in that group too. But after seeing the 4 SASUKE 24 finalists take it on and the actual design of the CH and the previous obstacles, I can't see it being beaten. Heck, look at the old CH (9-17). I mean, even the top competitors were still going out on that and now look at this crazy thing. Lee and Hashimoto were not even close to grabbing that top ledge (which is still a long way from the end) and Kenji and Okuyama couldn't even get to ledge 2. These are the best competitors right now. Are we saying that these guys suck? We'll see how guys like Kanno and Yuuji do if they get there. I realize that many people will build replicas and practcie 24/7. But just because people can have lots of arm strength and build replicas at home doesn't mean they'll even get to try them on the course!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2010 20:36:56 GMT -5
BTW Levi is f***ed.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 20:47:55 GMT -5
I had a discussion today and the main consensus is that Sasuke is losing it's "amateur" feel. It's heading in the direction of "specialist" where UNCLI and STQ'ers who have all of these obstacles at home benefit more than say the All-Stars who have normal jobs and come back every 6 months to get on a gameshow. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule but the general "specialist" feel is really coming to play. There were no new people and each person either was there before or are STQ'ers who grew up doing this.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 21:08:35 GMT -5
I had a discussion today and the main consensus is that Sasuke is losing it's "amateur" feel. It's heading in the direction of "specialist" where UNCLI and STQ'ers who have all of these obstacles at home benefit more than say the All-Stars who have normal jobs and come back every 6 months to get on a gameshow. Obviously there are exceptions to the rule but the general "specialist" feel is really coming to play. There were no new people and each person either was there before or are STQ'ers who grew up doing this. Yeah, I think that's another good point. Why doesn't M9 do a survey and ask viewers what they would like to see and not see? IF you are trying to promote your business and make $ (ratings), then you go to the consumer- in this case, the viewers!
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 21:13:32 GMT -5
There's a myriad of things that M9 can do and most likely won't. I think this is the crux of M9's problem. Higuchi doesn't work within the confines of rational thought sometimes I love the guy and I think he's brilliant but he's bullheaded in a lot of ways and this is one of them.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Mar 29, 2010 22:33:12 GMT -5
I think not making the First Stage particularly "hard" like it was in Shin-SASUKE was because they were trying to get some new blood in there and hopefully have them clear the stage. That way, they could clear the stage and hopefully get some new faces to profile. Unfortunately, it didn't work out as planned and the only ones that cleared were people who had cleared before.
However, at least more people were getting farther in the course than before where they would just get obliterated by either the Log Grip or Jumping Spider.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 22:41:26 GMT -5
Well provided we have a Sasuke 26 (still holding out hope ANW is an indication for it but so far it's not 100% given M9 hasn't said jack yet) - The "surprise" factor is gone and people will adjust accordingly. I don't believe they will Sasuke 19 it where NO one passes it..
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Post by Badalight on Mar 29, 2010 23:07:22 GMT -5
1. Bad time slot
2. Loss of stars, Sato, Yamada, comedians
3. Bad advertisement
I feel like the actual course was fine... the old obstacles were fine.. stage 1 was actually perfect since it allowed more people (including new talent) to get far, and peoples favorites to get far. Having an unbeatable stage 1 is not good for ratings lars. Meaning if every obstacle in stage 1 were new it'd be pretty hard... That's why you sound like such a hypocryte when talking about actual content of the show.
I highly doubt they won't have a sasuke 26 due to 1 bad rating, however if it continues yeah I could see them canceling the show.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 23:14:41 GMT -5
1. Bad time slot 2. Loss of stars, Sato, Yamada, comedians 3. Bad advertisement I feel like the actual course was fine... the old obstacles were fine.. stage 1 was actually perfect since it allowed more people (including new talent) to get far, and peoples favorites to get far. Having an unbeatable stage 1 is not good for ratings lars. Meaning if every obstacle in stage 1 were new it'd be pretty hard... That's why you sound like such a hypocryte when talking about actual content of the show. I highly doubt they won't have a sasuke 26 due to 1 bad rating, however if it continues yeah I could see them canceling the show. Ok now I'm starting to get pi$$ed off. Look, I have never said having an unbeatable stage 1 is the way to go so you need to get your facts right. If I wanted an unbeatable course, then I would be praising the new CH like so many of you are here. I just didn't really care for the new first stage- that's all. I wanted to see new obstacles (not unbeatable just different) and not recycled obstacles that we've seen so many times before. I'm happy that noone got to ofar in stage 3 because it would stupid not to make it a challenge. So badalight we all have our opinions and just let it go. LET IT GO...
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 23:16:48 GMT -5
I highly doubt they won't have a sasuke 26 due to 1 bad rating, however if it continues yeah I could see them canceling the show. While I agree one bad one is not the end all.. Sasuke has averaged well below the cancellation threshold. (USA is below 20 iirc) and the last several have been below 15 so going down consistently will kill it. That said we have to figure out if M9 wants to continue doing this or not. They could just take the All-Stars which they seem to care for and shove them in another M9 show like Celebrity Sportsman (apparently adding Sasuke all-stars in the monster box special was a hit) or even bringing back Viking. Depends on whether Higuchi is committed to Sasuke or not. For a while there he only cared for MM.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 29, 2010 23:21:24 GMT -5
lol Lars, calm down. I am perfectly calm. You're the one freaking out here Generally if an obstacle is new, it will be failed more, because it is new... no one knows how to approach it. Want proof? Look at stage 3. The obstacles before the cliff-hanger took out most of the energy of the competitors. Okuyama had the worst attempt at the cliff-hanger ever, and it wasn't because the cliff-hanger was hard.. he was out of energy before starting it. Now when Lee did it, he wasn't that tired when he got to the new cliff-hanger. Why? Because he was the last to run, so he figured out how to do the new obstacles. The new obstacles weren't necessarily hard... but since they were knew they were tough and needed to be figured out. So yes, a completely new stage 1 with ALL new obstacles probably would've given less clears.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Mar 29, 2010 23:26:08 GMT -5
1. Bad time slot 2. Loss of stars, Sato, Yamada, comedians 3. Bad advertisement I feel like the actual course was fine... the old obstacles were fine.. stage 1 was actually perfect since it allowed more people (including new talent) to get far, and peoples favorites to get far. Having an unbeatable stage 1 is not good for ratings lars. Meaning if every obstacle in stage 1 were new it'd be pretty hard... That's why you sound like such a hypocryte when talking about actual content of the show. I highly doubt they won't have a sasuke 26 due to 1 bad rating, however if it continues yeah I could see them canceling the show. Ok now I'm starting to get pi$$ed off. Look, I have never said having an unbeatable stage 1 is the way to go so you need to get your facts right. If I wanted an unbeatable course, then I would be praising the new CH like so many of you are here. I just didn't really care for the new first stage- that's all. I wanted to see new obstacles (not unbeatable just different) and not recycled obstacles that we've seen so many times before. I'm happy that noone got to ofar in stage 3 because it would stupid not to make it a challenge. So badalight we all have our opinions and just let it go. LET IT GO... Guys, take a step back and take a breather. You both have valid points and I know 25 is a heated argument (to say the least), but please let's keep the volatility down on this thread and all threads.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 23:28:10 GMT -5
Ok now I'm starting to get pi$$ed off. Look, I have never said having an unbeatable stage 1 is the way to go so you need to get your facts right. If I wanted an unbeatable course, then I would be praising the new CH like so many of you are here. I just didn't really care for the new first stage- that's all. I wanted to see new obstacles (not unbeatable just different) and not recycled obstacles that we've seen so many times before. I'm happy that noone got to ofar in stage 3 because it would stupid not to make it a challenge. So badalight we all have our opinions and just let it go. LET IT GO... Guys, take a step back and take a breather. You both have valid points and I know 25 is a heated argument (to say the least), but please let's keep the volatility down on this thread and all threads. No problem scnoi. We can heated debated all day long- but let's cut out the personal attacks, that's all.
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