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Post by The Chief on Mar 29, 2010 21:17:46 GMT -5
I think that Stage 1 could have been harder, Stage 2 and Stage 3 were just BS. Stage 3 especially. Only hard obstacle really is the UCH.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 21:20:53 GMT -5
They fixed it, its good now, Sasuke 25 is a large step in the right direction. Then why the terrible ratings then?[/quote] No no Bada means the course is a step toward a more balanced course where stage 1 to 3 are more appropriately like they use to be. I would agree that stage 1 shouldn't be a long marathon no more and stage 3 relentlessly hard.[/quote] OK OK let's clear st up. I agree with you that the level of diffculty of stages 1-3 is about right now. Each stage should increase in difficulty as was the case in pre- shin-SASUKE. But I didn't care for some of the obstacles in stage 1 and stage 2 and felt that it was just a mish-mash of newer and recycled obstacles. I thought there could have been more imagination shown and this whole "renewal" tag was way off IMO. I'm just disappointed because they had the opportunity to be so creative with the course and continue to move in the right direction. I undestand that a lot of viewers didn't even tune in, but I do think the course layout and design is one factor.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 21:25:08 GMT -5
I was paying close attention to that "meeting" they had with the obstacles. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the designs that were not picked and the people behind them are going "see?? I told you so!".. I wouldn't be surprised as well if they end up on the course now.. M9 was kinda up against the wall though. Change it too much and it's no longer Sasuke. Don't change it enough and they get yelled at for coping out. They were kinda screwed. On TOP of that they changed the composition of the 100 and that equaled disaster.
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Post by lars072 on Mar 29, 2010 21:34:24 GMT -5
I was paying close attention to that "meeting" they had with the obstacles. I wouldn't be surprised if a lot of the designs that were not picked and the people behind them are going "see?? I told you so!".. I wouldn't be surprised as well if they end up on the course now.. M9 was kinda up against the wall though. Change it too much and it's no longer Sasuke. Don't change it enough and they get yelled at for coping out. They were kinda screwed. On TOP of that they changed the composition of the 100 and that equaled disaster. I' sure these are not easy decisions. But now they really need to make the right changes if SASUKE is to contnue past #26. It could be make or break time now.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 29, 2010 23:29:18 GMT -5
Like I've said... the actual obstacles hardly constitute the ratings... just because you didn't like the obstacles isn't why it got bad ratings. We've been over why it did so bad... and there are a MULTITUDE of reasons more plausible than "The obstacles were bad".
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 23:33:09 GMT -5
Well the topic did talk about Sasuke 25 overall including obstacles. Lars is hardly in the minority in this he's just more vocal about it. While I happen to disagree with his take on it he's still entitled to it and hardly alone. And of course this topic existed well before we found out about the ratings.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 29, 2010 23:38:57 GMT -5
I've talked to more people who like the changes personally.. the only thing a majority of people actually have a problem with is the UCH. Though I can see why they are mad about it... it's silly considering the exact same thing happend in 18. That's why I feel like the majority of the people who are complaining arn't really thinking it through.
On the other hand, I talked to Sheep about what he thought of Sasuke 25. While I disagree with him he atleast made some sense with his arguements, and the reasons he disliked it wasn't just "the UCH is too hard and unfair.. so hard even my favorite competitor couldn't beat it!!!" it was more like
"The UCH is beatable... but I feel like stage 3 is too centered around that 1 obstacle. the 14-17 era was incredibly balanced. None of the obstacles were insanely hard, but each of them were tough and together they made a hard yet balanced stage"
Now people who just like to whine about results or the difficulty of 1 obstacle bringing down the entire show... that's a bit silly.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2010 23:45:36 GMT -5
Arguments can be made in both sides and each equally valid actually. I spent a lot of time just the past 24 hours revisiting that. We are ALL fans and each have their own valid opinion. One thing we have in common though we are passionate about the show and I hope that doesn't change despite our polar opposite views.
Never have I seen a tournament have such a polarizing effect for various reasons than Sasuke 25.
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Post by Badalight on Mar 30, 2010 10:45:39 GMT -5
I think 24 was just as bad with the people on both sides of the fence ^
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Post by TCM on Mar 30, 2010 11:53:44 GMT -5
I think 24 was just as bad with the people on both sides of the fence ^ But the moment we heard some fans complain about the shoes, everyone's arguments wittled away and everyone joined together saying how stupid the shoes argument was lol. EDIT: I think the major deal with the arguments are the validity of them. There have been people who have legit, valid reasons as to why they dislike the course (which I respect). But, when said people start to mix their valid arguments with arguments that "grasp for straws" as I put it, it brings down the overall validity of their argument and it almost sounds like they are needlessly b*tching about it. But this comes with every tourney after a win I reckon (I imagine people were arguing about 5's difficulty as much as 18's difficulty during that tourney's heyday as well).
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