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Post by scopedknife on Nov 4, 2009 10:33:17 GMT -5
I can do pull ups etc., but being able to muscle up is something that's eluded me for a bit. I'm continuing to train, and attempt it once in a while, but don't seem to be able to do it. Any tips on how to work my way to being able to do it? Is it a technique thing? Or am I just not strong enough if I can't?
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Post by Badalight on Nov 4, 2009 10:58:55 GMT -5
I takes a ton of strength. Technique is important but you won't be able to do it without the strength.
It's not something you can just go out and do on your first try.
It takes lots and lots of practice so I'd be very surprised if you could do it already.
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 10:59:26 GMT -5
I've never liked it because it seems to be more of a technique thing to me. Here's how I got mine, though:
Stack things up under the pull-up bar so you can jump into the muscle-up and do it successfully. As time goes by, remove some of the things you're standing on. Doing this prevents your legs from producing as much force, forcing your arms to compensate. Eventually you'll get down to where you don't need anything.
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Post by Badalight on Nov 4, 2009 11:05:02 GMT -5
Wow... that's how I've been doing it
>_>
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 11:12:56 GMT -5
Congrats, then. It's probably the best way to go about it. Negatives are useless since it's hard to do them slowly.
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 4, 2009 12:34:11 GMT -5
How do you do muscle ups on a bar?
In gymnastics, that was always something we did on the rings.
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 12:43:42 GMT -5
It's more or less the same. Get up, roll your shoulders forward, press.
I think it's harder on a bar because the bar is stationary and always in your way, but that's just me.
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Post by artyfowljr on Nov 4, 2009 12:50:22 GMT -5
yeah, muscle ups are friggin annoying when you try them without managing to do even one. Even if I'm still quite weak (3 or 4 pullups...even if I can climb and do some cliff hanger pretty good), I though I could do one. I was wrong, oh geez how much I was wrong.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Nov 4, 2009 12:50:48 GMT -5
I used to not be able to do them but recently I've been doing them pretty easy once I figured out the trick.
Have your arms bent (pretty much do a pull up into it), Swing forward and move your self up when you go back (You should have alot of force into it).
So yeah.. they are more technique than strength. Technique to get up and strength when you're up and push yourself all the way up (although not really that much, more than most things but not hard)
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 14:12:08 GMT -5
Actually, that's different. That's more or less kipping, which is cheating.
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Post by colindesu on Nov 4, 2009 14:25:41 GMT -5
Muscle ups are about 60% technique, 40% strength. You have to be able to handle your own weight pretty well, so work on being able to do 10-15 pull ups with perfect form first. For the longest time, I was so mad because I could pump out sets of 20 pull ups pretty easily, but whenever I tried a muscle up it just felt like it was impossible. But then I found out some tricks that can give your progress rate a boost! Find a bar that's about head level. Do as many sets of 10 jumping assisted reps as you can.(Oti's strategy for this is great too. Try it.) Explosive pull ups are also extremely helpful because that's essentially what a muscle up is about. Explosive power! You also should do sets of the dip part of the muscle up. It's a lot different from the normal dip, so try it out until you're comfortable. Your grip plays a big part in how well you can get your chest above the bar. If your wrists aren't strong enough and aren't positioned right, you'll just fall straight down once you get your chest up. Move your hands over the bar until your palms are parallel with the ground. Once you've gone as high as you can, flip your elbows outward and just start pushing as hard as you can. Remember, try to explode.
You can check out my youtube account to see some example videos. I just got my first muscle up about 6 months ago.
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Post by Lennon on Nov 4, 2009 14:51:50 GMT -5
I think for the longest time I never even attempted to or even thought about doing a muscle up till recently. Though I kinda knew I was able to do one since most of the time like colindesu said, I usually explode on my first few pull ups. My goal was to do as many pull ups as I can but also as high as I can shoot myself into the air. My first couple would usually get my chest just above the bar, and then gradually lower. I just never flipped my wrist on top of the bar and did the actual dip part.
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Post by japantv1210 on Nov 4, 2009 15:24:08 GMT -5
I think it's more of a technique thing as well. There's obviously alot of power involved as well since you have to quickly pull yourself up and over the bar, but I've known people who were stronger and more poweful than me that couldn't muscleup. Also, since I recently got my first muscleup last spring, I would say it's more of a technique thing as well. To me personally, it's kind of painful on my wrists though for some reason.
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 15:49:19 GMT -5
I don't see it as an explosive exercise. Plenty of people out there do it fairly slowly.
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Post by scopedknife on Nov 4, 2009 16:24:39 GMT -5
I can get my chest above the bar. That's not too difficult really. I'll work on the technique and practice with more explosive pull ups, as well as using leg power a few times, and see where that gets me. Thanks!
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Post by colindesu on Nov 4, 2009 16:30:56 GMT -5
The "slow muscle-up" is an entirely different technique and move to master. That exercise is all about how much CONTROL you have of your muscles. I can only do 2 or 3 slow ones. (that is if we are talking about something like the link below)
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Post by Oti on Nov 4, 2009 17:08:02 GMT -5
A real muscle-up, in my eyes, is a slow, controlled one done with no kipping.
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 4, 2009 21:02:11 GMT -5
A real muscle-up, in my eyes, is a slow, controlled one done with no kipping. That how we had to do it in gymnastics. The legs weren't allowed to move or swing in any way. It was all arm strength. How I wish strength could be retained through injury.
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Post by Oti on Nov 5, 2009 10:43:04 GMT -5
Strength that is lost is regained faster than it was originally. Suck it up and get back to training and everything will be fine in a little while.
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 5, 2009 10:55:34 GMT -5
Strength that is lost is regained faster than it was originally. Suck it up and get back to training and everything will be fine in a little while. Trust me, it won't be fine in a little while. It's gonna take a long time to get back to where I was.
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