Yamada & Akiyama on Banzuke (Quick Muscle)

[Homeslice]

I'm curious to know if anyone had ever seen Yamada compete in the Quick Muscle event (which had aired on G4 before). He looked good at the start but he just slowed down. Do you think it could've been the age difference? (He was already 30 at the time he did this.) G4 did a good job of not mentioning his SASUKE record, particularly because this had to have been filmed back in '95 or '96, whenever Yamada was 30 (and of course, before SASUKE existed).

And what did you think of the performance? He looked gracious at the end, but who wonders if maybe he cried backstage?

Also, when did Akiyama compete in this event? I never saw him, but it could be due to the fact that G4 hardly airs the show anymore (except for when I'm not home or just sleeping). Did he actually beat Asano to gain the title?

[artyfowljr]

yep he did, he beated Asano achieving a 304 (or 307, I don't remember) score.

[Badalight]

Well Yamada has nothing to be ashamed about because he actually BEAT the previous record, but so did the champion he was competing against. I'm pretty sure Yamada is #3 of all time in that event, and he was much different back then. I'm sure he was just happy to be there at all. I bet his attitude was more like Bunpei's or maybe even Nagano's back then.

[Homeslice]

I had forgotten about the record - I think it was 246 prior to that attempt and Yamada made 249.

But holy cow, 300-something pushups? Insanity.

[artyfowljr]

But holy cow, 300-something pushups? Insanity.

yep...Akiyama is a beast.

[arsenette]

Yeah Akiyama's previous round was the record (still holds today btw...) and he tied Yamada in his competition the following round. Of course Yamada declared himself the winner.. but that's another story Btw.. the full competition can be found if you know where to look.. cough..

[Badalight]

It's a story worth telling ;o I never heard about that.

[arsenette]

Yeah it caused friction between them for a long time. It was also documented in the Japanese wiki. They buried the hatchet a while ago though.. but I can see why many didn't like Yamada there for a while since he has a habit of only thinking of himself. I know I don't

[intelligentinfer]

Nov 2, 2009 11:46:13 GMT -5 Homeslice said:

I had forgotten about the record - I think it was 246 prior to that attempt and Yamada made 249.

But holy cow, 300-something pushups? Insanity.

Yeah, he did 307.Which means he did at least one or two pushups in A SECOND!

[bigblind168]

actully Arsenette, I remember seeing this one on theguy7121
during their competition, akiyama's knees hit the ground 2 or 3 times, causing him a 5 second delay each time. So they tied and it went to the judges decision, because Akiyama failed to keep his knees off the mat, they decleared Yamada the winner.

[Homeslice]

Wow, I had no idea that there was any friction between Akiyama and Yamada at any point in time. Glad to hear all is good, Yamada being Yamada or not.

*wonders about the other All-Stars and right now*

[arsenette]

Nov 3, 2009 8:13:05 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

actully Arsenette, I remember seeing this one on theguy7121
during their competition, akiyama's knees hit the ground 2 or 3 times, causing him a 5 second delay each time. So they tied and it went to the judges decision, because Akiyama failed to keep his knees off the mat, they decleared Yamada the winner.

Problem was there was no steadfast rule (this is an M9 production after all.. LOL) and even with the penalties they were tied. Then Yamada spoke up.. which is something a contestant should never do.. and that is where the problems were between them. Needless to say it was dicey there between them since they were then thrown in Sasuke but even then they completely ignored each other. It wasn't until Nagano showed up and played peacemaker that things finally just went away. It was M9's fault for screwing up and not having a written tiebreaker already there in place.. and it was Yamada's fault for opening up his mouth and declare himself the winner. It was just ugly.

[jfeathe]

Nov 3, 2009 14:00:08 GMT -5 arsenette said:

Nov 3, 2009 8:13:05 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

actully Arsenette, I remember seeing this one on theguy7121
during their competition, akiyama's knees hit the ground 2 or 3 times, causing him a 5 second delay each time. So they tied and it went to the judges decision, because Akiyama failed to keep his knees off the mat, they decleared Yamada the winner.

Problem was there was no steadfast rule (this is an M9 production after all.. LOL) and even with the penalties they were tied. Then Yamada spoke up.. which is something a contestant should never do.. and that is where the problems were between them. Needless to say it was dicey there between them since they were then thrown in Sasuke but even then they completely ignored each other. It wasn't until Nagano showed up and played peacemaker that things finally just went away. It was M9's fault for screwing up and not having a written tiebreaker already there in place.. and it was Yamada's fault for opening up his mouth and declare himself the winner. It was just ugly.

The somewhat arbitrary rules is the biggest things about Banzuke that annoys me. It seems the penalty light goes off at random during the Quick Muscle games and don't even get me started on the poor Bamboo Derby man...

[FAMAS]

Charlie Bronson (The British prisoner not the actor) once did 132 press ups in a minute, and 1727 in one hour, so I'm sure had he been at the event he may have been able to beat the record!

[VenusHeadTrap]

Nov 3, 2009 14:00:08 GMT -5 arsenette said:

Nov 3, 2009 8:13:05 GMT -5 bigblind168 said:

actully Arsenette, I remember seeing this one on theguy7121
during their competition, akiyama's knees hit the ground 2 or 3 times, causing him a 5 second delay each time. So they tied and it went to the judges decision, because Akiyama failed to keep his knees off the mat, they decleared Yamada the winner.

Problem was there was no steadfast rule (this is an M9 production after all.. LOL) and even with the penalties they were tied. Then Yamada spoke up.. which is something a contestant should never do.. and that is where the problems were between them. Needless to say it was dicey there between them since they were then thrown in Sasuke but even then they completely ignored each other. It wasn't until Nagano showed up and played peacemaker that things finally just went away. It was M9's fault for screwing up and not having a written tiebreaker already there in place.. and it was Yamada's fault for opening up his mouth and declare himself the winner. It was just ugly.

Now I'm certain, before Nagano was around there was Sasuke 6. Yamada was shamefully smiling that Akiyama beefed on the Jump hang, an obstacle Yamada had just beaten.

[Deleted]

Sorry for resurrecting an old thread. I just saw this. Venus, what version of Sasuke 6 were you watching? Watch the original version. It's in the usual place. Take it up to about 70 minutes. When Akiyama failed the jump hang, Yamada wasn't smiling at him. In fact he was trying to comfort him. I couldn't hear or understand the words very well, but I could tell by his tone that Yamada was trying to comfort Akiyama. It looked like he was asking Akiyama if he was OK. Then he patted him on the back and used his own towel to wipe Akiyama's face. That was before Nagano came. Maybe Yamada was trying to smooth things over then.

[arsenette]

No it was a well known fact that Akiyama hated Yamada with every ounce of his being for a looooong time. Nagano finally fixed things between them around Sasuke 9-10'ish. Yamada is a strange cookie.. if he makes him look good he'll do whatever. He does have his favorites and treats them with respect and honor (he adores Nagano and would walk on water for him if he could). I don't think Yamada hated Akiyama at all.. but it was the other way around that Akiyama despised Yamada. I wouldn't be surprised if Yamada was oblivious to most of it since he doesn't really get personal with people since most of them don't really keep in touch with each other. It really wasn't until the advent of the "All-Stars" where they were thrown together to do promotional gigs for M9. Before it was Kane Kosugi show sprinkled with some Yamada. When Kane left it was Yamada fronting the All-Stars the Nagano quickly rose to the top in that category but still Yamada was by far the most known of the All-Stars. Back then the only time you ever spent time with them was during Sasuke every 6 months. Now these days it's much different with so many events and promotional things with the All-Stars that they are much closer personally. Even still - although there is no "tension" to speak of.. they are all not as close to each other as one would seem but a far cry from hating each other. That doesn't exist between them anymore.

[Homeslice]

I'm glad to hear that - I am a bit surprised that it was Akiyama hating Yamada (and not the other way 'round), but perhaps I shouldn't be. I should've figured something out during G4's telecast of Sasuke 4 when Akiyama said something to the extent of "I'm sure Yamada is going to make it too" - that might've sounded like something right there, who knows, but then again that statement might just be professional.

But wasn't there some reaction by the All-Stars at 20 when Yamada sneered at Nagano clearing stage 1 or something?

[Badalight]

Really, when I saw that I thought almost nothing of it. Really the guy was in a bad mood, he's not obligated to clap for every single person who clears. I'm sure deep down he was happy for Nagano but he wasn't in the right state of mind to cheer him on at the time.

I think everyone over-reacted to that at that time.

[arsenette]

For Sasuke 20 I think it was more frustration at himself because I know for a fact Yamada lurves Nagano