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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2009 15:49:35 GMT -5
Blind: That's the whole point. If you have talented people doing stage 3, then they can beat it. So obviously they need to amp up the difficulty to match those "talented" ones. You just proved my point entirely Nagano also did the old stage 3 of sasuke in 14 15 and 16 and failed three times in a row. Experience matters but he got this new stage 3 on his 2nd try (discounting 18) And usually when doing stage 3 you can see Immense fatigue on Nagano. He literally flew through it this time like it was no ones buisness. I mean, Nagano is good and all... don't get me wrong. But he didn't look like he struggled at all, and that's not saying Nagano is godly. It's saying the new stage 3 needs a difficulty increase.
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Post by Gavo on Oct 31, 2009 15:55:25 GMT -5
Nagano failed the metal spin in 15
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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2009 15:57:15 GMT -5
Nagano failed the metal spin in 15 Point still stands, took him an extra try.
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Post by Gavo on Oct 31, 2009 16:04:48 GMT -5
Off topic: Dude that was the 666th post in the sasuke 24 board and it's Halloween, spooky
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Post by Badalight on Oct 31, 2009 16:10:08 GMT -5
Oh no... I'm the devil!
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Post by TCM on Oct 31, 2009 17:51:42 GMT -5
You must be since you've been wanting a 3rd Stage change since 21. If it was too easy, we should've had a near-Sasuke 3 repeat. But we didn't, you proved my point with talking about how Okuyama, Takeda and Kongu almost made it -- but they didn't have the technique down. When did the # of people getting far on the course overpower the # that actually complete it? Look at the stats, roughly 27% passed the stage. To say this stage is easy not based on the low % of clears (and 11 people is a pretty good amount to try out Shin Sasuke's 3rd Stage), but how many people potentially clear is asinine imo. I would say try the whole course before you knock but you can't because of the G4 rule because all in all even if you make a "harder" replica of the real thing chances are they are nothing like you expected.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Oct 31, 2009 18:09:55 GMT -5
Lemme take a realistic approach to this... Arm Rings may go, but the DGG is definitely going replaced by something new that would have eliminated at least 2 of the people that beat the SCH. If they can leave the devil steps in then they will. Everything else will stay the same. What would be cool but unlikely is taking out the green bar and keep those two obstacles the same.
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Post by SRW on Oct 31, 2009 20:48:58 GMT -5
Yeah I only see the globes being replaced with something, all the other obstacles have had a casualty. Plus they clearly want someone to go on and win the whole thing now so they definatly will not be pushing the difficulty right up.
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Post by Alpha4273 on Oct 31, 2009 23:01:29 GMT -5
yea face it the 3rd stage is easy not in general but to the competitors it is they should get rid of the first three obstacles and also make the spider flip longer like viking style and also they should have 6 jumping bars
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Post by Badalight on Nov 1, 2009 2:44:59 GMT -5
You must be since you've been wanting a 3rd Stage change since 21. If it was too easy, we should've had a near-Sasuke 3 repeat. But we didn't, you proved my point with talking about how Okuyama, Takeda and Kongu almost made it -- but they didn't have the technique down. When did the # of people getting far on the course overpower the # that actually complete it? Look at the stats, roughly 27% passed the stage. To say this stage is easy not based on the low % of clears (and 11 people is a pretty good amount to try out Shin Sasuke's 3rd Stage), but how many people potentially clear is asinine imo. I would say try the whole course before you knock but you can't because of the G4 rule because all in all even if you make a "harder" replica of the real thing chances are they are nothing like you expected. Uhm, I never said I personally could beat stage 3... but these people have been making pretty much a joke out of it lately. It doesn't need a complete over-haul and redesign, just a few new obstacles here and there that's all I meant... and yeah I still think Sasuke 14 had the hardest stage 3 by far.
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Post by rcplanes59 on Nov 1, 2009 8:03:18 GMT -5
Why is everyone saying that there is going to be a big change? There probably will be only one if any new stage 3 obstacles. And just face it they are going to keep the last five obstacles exaclty the same. Arm Rings are going to stay because Shingo. Devil Steps are staying because of Miyazaki. So the only obstacle that even has a chance of being replaced in the Lamp Grasper They got rid of the original Lamp Grasper and it eliminated quite a few people.
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Post by Homeslice on Nov 2, 2009 11:43:01 GMT -5
I think that's what they should do - replace the descending ones with the original ones.
My layout wouldn't change much, except that instead of the Devil Steps being 3rd, I'd have them be 2nd, and with no rest, go right into the original grasp. People are bound to fail there (especially doing it with no rest).
I did like what they did in 18 (an Arm Rings/Arm Bike combo with no rest), but that wouldn't work by today's standards.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Nov 2, 2009 17:20:57 GMT -5
The original really didn't take out that many people, it just seems that way since Nakata always failed there. In fact, it was only failed four times, three by Nakata and one by Takeda in its first tournament. By SASUKE 12, people were 9/9 on it. So I don't think it would make any difference if put into today's course. The combo obstacle was a cool idea, but they need to ask another obstacle, so the Shin-Cliff is the 5th obstacle if they are going to do some combo like the Rings/Bike combo of 18, because those two obstacles won't train someone's strength as much as the first three do today.
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Post by jfeathe on Nov 3, 2009 1:37:22 GMT -5
I'm actually o.k. with the first 4 obstacles. The only change I want to see is something to make getting from the start of the Jumping Bars to the Rest on the Spider Flip just a bit harder.
It wouldn't be extreme though. Maybe an extra Jumping Bar or a slightly tougher Hang Climbing.
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Post by quasikoz on Nov 3, 2009 7:14:51 GMT -5
It's already been said before, but I have to say it again...
Bring back The Rumbling Dice!
I can't remember which tournament it was, but there was a Rumbling Dice-to-Arm Bike combination that scared every muscle in my arms while I was watching.
The Dice would easily bring the difficulty level of Stage 3 back up.
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Post by bigblind168 on Nov 3, 2009 11:29:42 GMT -5
I can't remember which tournament it was, but there was a Rumbling Dice-to-Arm Bike combination that scared every muscle in my arms while I was watching. that never happened. they've never even been in the same tournament there was an arm rings to arm bike combo in sasuke 18, but thats it.
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Post by joemello on Nov 6, 2009 14:06:25 GMT -5
They got rid of the original Lamp Grasper and it eliminated quite a few people. Most of them named Daisuke Nakata. I think Stage 3 needs more chase lights.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Nov 24, 2009 7:24:49 GMT -5
Most of them named Daisuke Nakata. Lamp grasper failures: 09:#1.Nakata Daisuke #2.Takeda Toshihiro 10:Nakata Daisuke 11:Nakata Daisuke 12:None 19:None 20:None 21:None 22:None 23:None
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Post by rcplanes59 on Nov 24, 2009 7:36:47 GMT -5
Was that really necessary when 3 people already said that?
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