texas
Kuramochi Minoru
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Post by texas on Aug 20, 2009 12:59:36 GMT -5
yeah, but i still think ur wrong. ur adding 65.4% of weight Rider is adding 71.4% of his weight. So rider is really lifting more. True, but you're also assuming strength gains are linear and equivalent to muscle gains. Muscle /= strength, and strength is more an asymptotic curve
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Post by Oti on Aug 20, 2009 13:04:21 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Strength gains don't have to level off.
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Post by bigblind168 on Aug 20, 2009 13:37:32 GMT -5
yeah, i understand now
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texas
Kuramochi Minoru
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Post by texas on Aug 20, 2009 13:42:43 GMT -5
Not necessarily. Strength gains don't have to level off. If that was the case, then all 500lbs of Jeff Lewis would dominate powerlifting World Records would disagree. All weight in Kilos 56 138 168 305 62 153 182 326 69 165 197 357 77 173 210 377 85 187 218 394 94 188 232 412 105 200 237 436 105+213 263 472 Goes weight class, snatch, clean and jerk, then total. Hossein Rezazadeh has all the current records in the 105+ class (though not the all time records. Stupid weight class realignment) He weighed over 165 kilos in the '04 Olympics, where he set the C+J record. "Only" got 263. The 56 record is 168. 3x the BW, but less than 100 KG more. Even worse lb for lb comparison on the snatch. As you can see, at some points only increase by a nominal amount, 77 to 85 C+J or the 85 to 94 snatch. Here's the deadlift record. I use this, because it's least influenced by suits. BW Deadlift 52 260 56 290 60 310 67.5 320 75 360 82.5 360 90 390 100 409 110 405 125 430 140 412.5 SHW 457.5 Here, the record stalls at one point despite a 16.5lb weight increase. Goes down 8.8lbs after a 22lb weight increase, and then down 38.5lbs despite a 33lb increase. Then there's Bolton's crazy 1000lb+ dl. But even he isn't immune to the diminishing returns. He weighed in at 157.6 when he did his 1008.6 DL. Close to 3x the BW of the 56kg guy, but less than 200kg difference.
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Post by Oti on Aug 20, 2009 15:52:37 GMT -5
Weight doesn't mean strength, though. It looks like a majority of that 500 lbs isn't muscle, if you catch my drift. Anyway, I don't believe strength gains have to level off. After all, If you were to use all of your muscle fibers efficiently, you could easily lift vehicles. You just gotta tap into it!
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