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Post by zoran on Nov 11, 2024 13:12:41 GMT -5
An example of poor technique would be Kawaguchi in Sasuke 38 or Yamada in 24 and 27.
A lack of stamina fail would be Nagano and Yuuji in Sasuke 31.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 11, 2024 14:25:34 GMT -5
Not really an either or given that it depends on the degree of how bad technique or stamina is, or how exactly the technique is considered sub-optimal.
I went with lack of stamina purely because that's a lot harder to overcome over time, especially as a lot of notable fails were from competitors who were in their 40s like Nagano or Yamada, where regaining said stamina is more difficult than ever. Whereas poor technique can often be rectified in one or two training sessions at Matsuda's or Gio's. But in isolation in competition itself, either can be equally as, more, or less sabotaging depending on the degree.
On the flipside, lack of stamina but good technique grants you fewer attempts before you gas out but with higher likelihood of getting it on those initial 1-2 attempts, while poor technique but better stamina leaves you with more attempts but a lower likeihood of clearing on any of them. By that you could technically argue that poor technique is possibly worse because you run a higher risk of timing out due to needing more attempts.
But again this depends on the degree of the issue as if your stamina is REALLY poor that you don't viably have a single decent attempt in you then you're still not clearing. Similarly if your technique isn't irredeemingly bad but just a bit sub-optimal, and you have enough time for a few attempts, you could still clear.
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Post by Anonymous on Nov 11, 2024 16:31:20 GMT -5
Probably a lack of stamina. One example was the hot day during 15 when many capable competitors like Iketani, Akiyama, Jovtchev and Paul Hamm couldn't clear it and timed out due to the heat likely draining their stamina.
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Post by sackeshi on Nov 11, 2024 18:06:02 GMT -5
I think technique probably due to how intimidating the obstacle is, a steep 14ft-17ft wall is SCARY if you have any fear of heights.
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Post by azn on Nov 11, 2024 21:20:56 GMT -5
Nowadays I think it's poor stamina, especially since the introduction of the Tackle to Wall combo, which we know significantly effected so many competitors through the years.
Even during the Shin-Era, due to the length of the first stage and how late the warped wall was placed in the stage, I still think poor stamina was more of factor then bad technique.
And honestly, poor stamina directly influences poor technique. You could have the most optimal technique in the world to clear the wall, but if you're completely gassed, then it will directly impact how you'll do the wall.
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Post by subtleagent on Nov 12, 2024 0:39:51 GMT -5
Definitely lack of stamina, I feel like people forget Shin-SASUKE's Stage 1 could wear you down. Case in point, Bunpei and Takeda in 19 or Hiromichi in 21. Tackle + Wall is the same obviously though I'm hesitant to really mention it anymore as no one really seems to struggle with it anymore and because the time limit is so high anyway that you only really fail if you're slow or injured.
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Post by katoshiho on Nov 12, 2024 11:25:25 GMT -5
3rd option: just because not tall enough. It used for most of Japanese women, but you know that only few of them reached Soritatsu Kabe. This is used for Sakuma Kota teacher too. When can he beat Soritatsu Kabe, that day is when I can go to watch SASUKE in Japan.
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