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Post by zoran on Oct 21, 2024 13:34:50 GMT -5
This imo is Yamada's absolute max career where everything goes right for him (not his realistic best).
Sasuke 1: Pillar Path
2: Wall Lift
3: Same
4: Kanzen
5: Wall Lift
6: Final Rope - 20m up
7: Final Rope - 21m up
8: Rope climb
9: Cliffhanger Kai
10: Same
11: Final Rope - 21m up
12: Final Rope - 22m up
13: Pipe Slider
14: Jumping Bars
15: Warped Wall
16: Metal Spin
17: Pipe Slider
18: Salmon Ladder
19: Same
20: Warped Wall
21: Flying Chute
22: Slider Jump
23: Metal Spin
24: Spider Flip
25: Rope Ladder
26: Rope Ladder
27: Wall Lift
28: Swap Salmon Ladder
29: Swap Salmon Ladder
30: Wall Lift
33: Warped Wall
34: Warped Wall
35: Dragon Glider
36: Dragon Glider
37: Dragon Glider
38: Warped Wall
39: Rolling Hill dismount
40: Warped Wall
41: Warped Wall
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Post by hatkun on Oct 21, 2024 14:29:13 GMT -5
Getting to the Final Stage 6 times in the first 12 tournaments pretty much cements him as the greatest of all time in the minds of the show’s early fans, no matter what happens afterwards. He’s the only person to reach the final stage back to back thrice (though fell just short of four times in a row from 10-13).
The real question for me is what are those four later failed final stage attempts going to do to Yamada’s psyche? Is that one moment of triumph in 4 enough? Will being a Grand Champion satisfy the desire that burns within him, or will he be constantly wondering “what if?” because he could have potentially won 2 or even 3 times if things went even more perfectly.
He’ll be known as the greatest of the All-Stars, but there’ll always be that lack of closure in the back of his mind.
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Post by zoran on Oct 21, 2024 14:38:53 GMT -5
Getting to the Final Stage 6 times in the first 12 tournaments pretty much cements him as the greatest of all time in the minds of the show’s early fans, no matter what happens afterwards. He’s the only person to reach the final stage back to back thrice (though fell just short of four times in a row from 10-13). The real question for me is what are those four later failed final stage attempts going to do to Yamada’s psyche? Is that one moment of triumph in 4 enough? Will being a Grand Champion satisfy the desire that burns within him, or will he be constantly wondering “what if?” because he could have potentially won 2 or even 3 times if things went even more perfectly. He’ll be known as the greatest of the All-Stars, but there’ll always be that lack of closure in the back of his mind. Early Yamada was basically the alpha competitor, you don't get a nickname like the Naniwa terminator for nothing. With these results, I think people would honestly consider Yamada one of the greatest Japanese athletes and would push for him to represent Japan in the Olympics. I think at the time he would obviously feel pretty s*** about not kanzening twice however over time and comparing his results with his co competitors it wouldn't bother him as much. |
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Post by hatkun on Oct 21, 2024 14:54:23 GMT -5
Early Yamada was basically the alpha competitor, you don't get a nickname like the Naniwa terminator for nothing. With these results, I think people would honestly consider Yamada one of the greatest Japanese athletes and would push for him to represent Japan in the Olympics. I think at the time he would obviously feel pretty s*** about not kanzening twice however over time and comparing his results with his co competitors it wouldn't bother him as much. No doubt. You never know how athletes are going to handle these things. In terms of his external reputation, he’d be regarded the greatest of all time, full stop. Maybe that one win would be enough for him to put his future defeats into perspective, knowing how it is to reach the top of the mountain. I just find it so fascinating because this is almost like a reverse Nagano arc. An early Kanzen, then multiple final stage defeats. After 3-4 times, even the toughest, most alpha competitor would have to be asking themselves “what am I doing wrong?” But I don’t know. Maybe that one Kanzen really does change Yamada’s entire perspective on competing and he’s able to appreciate how well he did even if he never won again. |
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Oct 21, 2024 15:45:30 GMT -5
Probably had better image. Yamada's downward spiral happened due to constant failures to achieve Kanzenseiha. If he can get one on the bag *especially early on*, he definitely would behave better and who knows, maybe people will like him more.
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 22, 2024 13:47:02 GMT -5
Getting to the Final Stage 6 times in the first 12 tournaments pretty much cements him as the greatest of all time in the minds of the show’s early fans, no matter what happens afterwards. He’s the only person to reach the final stage back to back thrice (though fell just short of four times in a row from 10-13). The real question for me is what are those four later failed final stage attempts going to do to Yamada’s psyche? Is that one moment of triumph in 4 enough? Will being a Grand Champion satisfy the desire that burns within him, or will he be constantly wondering “what if?” because he could have potentially won 2 or even 3 times if things went even more perfectly. He’ll be known as the greatest of the All-Stars, but there’ll always be that lack of closure in the back of his mind. This is exactly what I was thinking. We obviously don’t know whether Yamada would’ve adopted a similar mindset despite having achieved Kanzen after four further failed attempts. It wouldn’t surprise me if he felt that his win wasn’t good enough because of the difficulty spike that occurred during the next few years and wanted to prove that his win wasn’t just a fluke/him being a beneficiary of an easier course. I’m also concerned that if the above held true, that he would still adopt his same approach of jealousy towards other competitors, and still giving up aspects of his life to train for the show. With obsessive mindsets, nothing is ever enough. I almost see his runs from 33 onwards as potentially analogous to 14 onwards in real life: where he takes a hiatus and comes back, starts failing Stage 1/the wall perennially and enters a downward spiral. Sure, he’ll be past 50 by this point and well past his prime, but continued success in the Shin-Sasuke era may have extended the duration of his dedication to training/wanting to win (again) by a few years. That said I’m just speculating. I could be completely wrong and his later runs are just for community spirit as they are now. We don’t know for sure how his mindset would’ve changed had he won, but I definitely feel like one win wouldn’t have been enough for someone like him. Especially after seeing Yuuji win twice, he’d want to reclaim his honour. |
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Post by zoran on Oct 22, 2024 14:02:52 GMT -5
Getting to the Final Stage 6 times in the first 12 tournaments pretty much cements him as the greatest of all time in the minds of the show’s early fans, no matter what happens afterwards. He’s the only person to reach the final stage back to back thrice (though fell just short of four times in a row from 10-13). The real question for me is what are those four later failed final stage attempts going to do to Yamada’s psyche? Is that one moment of triumph in 4 enough? Will being a Grand Champion satisfy the desire that burns within him, or will he be constantly wondering “what if?” because he could have potentially won 2 or even 3 times if things went even more perfectly. He’ll be known as the greatest of the All-Stars, but there’ll always be that lack of closure in the back of his mind. This is exactly what I was thinking. We obviously don’t know whether Yamada would’ve adopted a similar mindset despite having achieved Kanzen after four further failed attempts. It wouldn’t surprise me if he felt that his win wasn’t good enough because of the difficulty spike that occurred during the next few years and wanted to prove that his win wasn’t just a fluke/him being a beneficiary of an easier course. I’m also concerned that if the above held true, that he would still adopt his same approach of jealousy towards other competitors, and still giving up aspects of his life to train for the show. With obsessive mindsets, nothing is ever enough. I almost see his runs from 33 onwards as potentially analogous to 14 onwards in real life: where he takes a hiatus and comes back, starts failing Stage 1/the wall perennially and enters a downward spiral. Sure, he’ll be past 50 by this point and well past his prime, but continued success in the Shin-Sasuke era may have extended the duration of his dedication to training/wanting to win (again) by a few years. That said I’m just speculating. I could be completely wrong and his later runs are just for community spirit as they are now. We don’t know for sure how his mindset would’ve changed had he won, but I definitely feel like one win wouldn’t have been enough for someone like him. Especially after seeing Yuuji win twice, he’d want to reclaim his honour. Another thing that could make him jealous would be Akiyama kanzening first and with a better time in 4, his likely finish time would be 2 seconds left. The producers would probably regard Akiyama as the "true" grand champion pissing off Yamada especially as the 2 had a feud from quick muscle fiasco. In 31 and 32 he's still banned after arguing with Inui (presumably over wanting to give Hiroshige a rerun on SSL) and then takes full advantage upon getting unbanned for the anniversary. I do wonder if a run as legendary as him getting to the wall lift at 48 would be cut though. |
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 23, 2024 11:26:37 GMT -5
Another thing that could make him jealous would be Akiyama kanzening first and with a better time in 4, his likely finish time would be 2 seconds left. The producers would probably regard Akiyama as the "true" grand champion pissing off Yamada especially as the 2 had a feud from quick muscle fiasco. In 31 and 32 he's still banned after arguing with Inui (presumably over wanting to give Hiroshige a rerun on SSL) and then takes full advantage upon getting unbanned for the anniversary. I do wonder if a run as legendary as him getting to the wall lift at 48 would be cut though. That's also true, no way would Yamada have beaten Akiyama's time, even in his prime he was barely clearing Stages 1/2 with 6 seconds left, let alone the Final. I don't think the producers would regard Akiyama as the "true" champion, in Japanese game shows there's way less of a need for a singular "winner" compared to Western society, but whether Yamada will think the same way idk, probably not. Especially if he wanted to win for the purpose of being the best, winning yet doing so slower than someone else wouldn't cut it. Also assuming this is the case, Akiyama would still get #100 in 6 and Yamada #99, which would piss him off further. Yamada's inherent lack of confidence would make him think that people see him as the "second one", even if this isn't actually the case. Re Sasuke 30, if he made it to the Wall Lift then probably not. Inui cut Yamada's run to spite him after their argument, but he wouldn't have done so if it actively harmed the ratings of the show. In 30, Yamada just failed the Wall yet again so wasn't much tradeoff of cutting the run, but if he gave an abnormally strong performance and fans caught wind of it they'd probably get annoyed, just in the same way that the All-Star treatment in 32 didn't sit well with Japanese or Western fans alike. |
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Post by azn on Oct 25, 2024 13:54:02 GMT -5
I'm gonna venture slightly off topic here, but obviously one of the biggest things that has helped Yamada's reputation nowadays is his role in the Yamada Gundan.
So with that in mind, does Yamada still run the Gundan in this timeline? And if so, does he still enforce the intense training regimen that he currently applies to Gundan members? Does he still run it for as long as he has?
With this timeline, Yamada already has a kanzenseiha under his belt (albeit shared), which negates one of the main reasons behind the Gundan's existence in the first place, to build a faction where one of it's members can achieve a victory that Yamada never was able to do.
If the Gundan still exists in this timeline, how does he run it? Is he willing to invest so much effort into making the Gundan be in a position similar to where it is today?
Because in my eyes, I can totally see the Gundan dissolving prior to SK34 (specifically this tournament as this was when Oba became the first member to make it to the third stage) since aside from Hiroshige, no one else in the Gundan was performing well and I don't think Yamada would be driven enough to continue keeping the Gundan alive. Unless he still had some jealousy over the shared kanzen of SK4 between him and Akiyama, which in my eyes has completely dissolved at this point, because of how different Akiyama and Yamada's post kanzen careers would end up (assuming Akiyama's runs post kanzen are exactly the same as irl)
And then with the dissolution of the Gundan comes the part where Yoshi, Isa, Yuta, Takasuka and other Black Tigers might not have gotten a chance to compete on Sasuke, given the lack of name recognition of being associated with Yamada.
Or perhaps maybe I'm thinking too much into this and the Yamada Gundan ends up just fine...
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Post by zoran on Oct 25, 2024 14:03:19 GMT -5
I'm gonna venture slightly off topic here, but obviously one of the biggest things that has helped Yamada's reputation nowadays is his role in the Yamada Gundan. So with that in mind, does Yamada still run the Gundan in this timeline? And if so, does he still enforce the intense training regimen that he currently applies to Gundan members? Does he still run it for as long as he has? With this timeline, Yamada already has a kanzenseiha under his belt (albeit shared), which negates one of the main reasons behind the Gundan's existence in the first place, to build a faction where one of it's members can achieve a victory that Yamada never was able to do. If the Gundan still exists in this timeline, how does he run it? Is he willing to invest so much effort into making the Gundan be in a position similar to where it is today? Because in my eyes, I can totally see the Gundan dissolving prior to SK34 (specifically this tournament as this was when Oba became the first member to make it to the third stage) since aside from Hiroshige, no one else in the Gundan was performing well and I don't think Yamada would be driven enough to continue keeping the Gundan alive. Unless he still had some jealousy over the shared kanzen of SK4 between him and Akiyama, which in my eyes has completely dissolved at this point, because of how different Akiyama and Yamada's post kanzen careers would end up (assuming Akiyama's runs post kanzen are exactly the same as irl) And then with the dissolution of the Gundan comes the part where Yoshi, Isa, Yuta, Takasuka and other Black Tigers might not have gotten a chance to compete on Sasuke, given the lack of name recognition of being associated with Yamada. Or perhaps maybe I'm thinking too much into this and the Yamada Gundan ends up just fine... Yeah it still exists. His forced retirement in 28 motivates him to continue his legacy in the show that defined his life, even after the retirement wasn't legit. |
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