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Post by zoran on Oct 1, 2024 14:15:22 GMT -5
In modern Sasuke we have seen the breakout of competitors in their 40s (once an age range associated with decline) to the point where they can relatively match competitors in their 30s and lower. Do you think at some point we will see the same with competitors in their 50s? I think Shingo, Kane and especially Yuuji will be the forerunners for this age range in the near future and eventually I think competitors in their 50s will be seen in the same light as competitors in their mid-late 40s now. I'd say however the 60s range will probably be the point of no return although in the best case scenario I could see someone in their early 60s clearing stage 1.
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 1, 2024 16:36:12 GMT -5
In modern Sasuke we have seen the breakout of competitors in their 40s (once an age range associated with decline) to the point where they can relatively match competitors in their 30s and lower. Do you think at some point we will see the same with competitors in their 50s? I think Shingo, Kane and especially Yuuji will be the forerunners for this age range in the near future and eventually I think competitors in their 50s will be seen in the same light as competitors in their mid-late 40s now. I'd say however the 60s range will probably be the point of no return although in the best case scenario I could see someone in their early 60s clearing stage 1. It's entirely possible. My only concern is that if those you mentioned don't do it, then I potentially can't see this happening for a long time, by pure virtue of the fact that almost no other competitor is nearing their 50s, and it's very unlikely that a strong competitor will only just start competing now at age 45+. Hioki and Suzuki I feel aren't that far off declining, Tomo it's too early to say but he has another 7 years before he reaches 50 and anything could happen in that time (and consider that he's already had one fall from grace). Basically everyone else is in their early 30s or late 20s. Don't forget that most of the guys doing well in their 40s now have been competing for 15+ years as most are STQers, the only exception has really been Okuyama as he was the only competitor who started at an "old" age and immediately did well, Bunpei as well to a lesser extent. Their dedication to the show and training is what's allowed them to uphold their performances into their 40s. So I feel like the soonest potential time that we COULD get a sleuth of competitors doing well in their 50s is potentially 20 years down the line, when all of the Morimoto Sedai etc. are that age. And that's assuming they're all still competing, haven't been riddled by injuries, lost interest, etc. As it stands, I definitely think it's a matter of time before Yuuji starts to fight a losing battle with age but he's 46 now and that hasn't really happened yet so him doing relatively well at 50+ is plausible. Shingo's still got it athletically but is plagued by mental chokes. Kane is more of an unknown as he's still in incredible shape but we haven't seen enough of him on modern Sasuke to gauge whether he has the potential to consistently do well. |
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Post by zoran on Oct 1, 2024 16:42:54 GMT -5
In modern Sasuke we have seen the breakout of competitors in their 40s (once an age range associated with decline) to the point where they can relatively match competitors in their 30s and lower. Do you think at some point we will see the same with competitors in their 50s? I think Shingo, Kane and especially Yuuji will be the forerunners for this age range in the near future and eventually I think competitors in their 50s will be seen in the same light as competitors in their mid-late 40s now. I'd say however the 60s range will probably be the point of no return although in the best case scenario I could see someone in their early 60s clearing stage 1. It's entirely possible. My only concern is that if those you mentioned don't do it, then I potentially can't see this happening for a long time, by pure virtue of the fact that almost no other competitor is nearing their 50s, and it's very unlikely that a strong competitor will only just start competing now at age 45+. Hioki and Suzuki I feel aren't that far off declining, Tomo it's too early to say but he has another 7 years before he reaches 50 and anything could happen in that time (and consider that he's already had one fall from grace). Basically everyone else is in their early 30s or late 20s. Don't forget that most of the guys doing well in their 40s now have been competing for 15+ years as most are STQers, the only exception has really been Okuyama as he was the only competitor who started at an "old" age and immediately did well, Bunpei as well to a lesser extent. Their dedication to the show and training is what's allowed them to uphold their performances into their 40s. So I feel like the soonest potential time that we COULD get a sleuth of competitors doing well in their 50s is potentially 20 years down the line, when all of the Morimoto Sedai etc. are that age. And that's assuming they're all still competing, haven't been riddled by injuries, lost interest, etc. As it stands, I definitely think it's a matter of time before Yuuji starts to fight a losing battle with age but he's 46 now and that hasn't really happened yet so him doing relatively well at 50+ is plausible. Shingo's still got it athletically but is plagued by mental chokes. Kane is more of an unknown as he's still in incredible shape but we haven't seen enough of him on modern Sasuke to gauge whether he has the potential to consistently do well. Do you think 60s is the point of no return or could we see a competitor in their 60s clear or at least perform consistently well on stage 1 like Ishimaru? |
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 1, 2024 16:50:52 GMT -5
Do you think 60s is the point of no return or could we see a competitor in their 60s clear or at least perform consistently well on stage 1 like Ishimaru? I'd probably go with point of no return or at most like a 0.0001% chance, mainly because basically no one over the age of 60 even competes, let alone has the potential to clear. Yamada isn't clearing (sorry zoran but not happening lol), while Shingo will probably compete when he's 60 but he's struggling to clear even now, having done so once in the last 10+ years. Everyone else would've mostly retired by then, even the hardcore veterans I can't see competing when they're that old. I only mentioned Shingo and Yamada because the former wants to be a perennial attendee while the latter is 60 next year..... If Ishimaru was 10 years younger and was still competing now, then I'd say he would be the only plausible potential clear, but he was abnormally good for his age, no one's really come close compared to him. |
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Post by subtleagent on Oct 4, 2024 10:00:49 GMT -5
Yuuji, Kane, Shingo, and Nagano are the only ones who seem likely. Though in Nagano's case he's only competing recreationally (yes I know he started to struggle by the time RISING was rolling around, but it was more due to losing interest than it was age) and Shingo while still competing for his perfect attendance is too much of a wildcard to really pick out. Yuuji and Kane I can see having a few more good years, but it'd be hard to tell.
Kawaguchi is a maybe, as he seems to have bounced back from his rut and is still pretty athletic.
Hioki, I would say is good for a few more Stage 3 trips, but he's maxed out. Ditto for Suzuki who is another wildcard anyway.
Yamada is a hard no and as is Omori and Iketani (their Silk Slider fails pretty much confirmed it).
I am a bit unsure about using their WC results as reference as the time limit was much more lenient and they were all competing more for fun than they were seriously as most of them knew they had the extra time.
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