3rd stage time limit

[dt]

If the current 3rd stage had a time limit, what do you think would be a fair time amount of time? Not saying I want one at all. Just have always been curious on what it would look like with people rushing on the stage

[zoran]

Half an hour?

[dakohosu]

Nah half an hour would be way too long.

There are 6 obstacles and 4 resting points throughout the current Stage 3. In terms of how long each obstacle takes, I cba to calculate the amount of time taken on each one by a bunch of different competitors, so let's just say 30 seconds - Sidewinder would take slightly longer, Vertical Limit and Cliffhanger slightly shorter, so 30 seems like a good ballpark. 30 x 6 = 180 which is 3 minutes. That grants each competitor 27 minutes of total rest, which is an average of 6.5 minutes per rest point, compared to the current 30 seconds. Now I know Stage 3 has frequently been considered too hard, but with the exception of the Vertical Limit, I feel as though because most of the obstacles are more based on technique and do-or-die moves (e.g. Swing Edge, Flying Bar, Cliffhanger) than endurance, so most people who fail a Cliffhanger jump are likely to do so whether they get 30 seconds rest or 5 minutes worth. It would also be a bit awkward to edit in as well, as there's simply not enough time to show each competitor's full 30 minutes, so they'd constantly have to cut forward 5 minutes or so during each rest period.

Currently each successful run would take around 5 minutes or so (30 seconds per obstacle x 6 + 30 seconds rest x 4 = 300 seconds). I think maybe a slight bump to something like 7 or 8 minutes would be reasonable, just so that competitors who do clear the Cliffhanger actually have a decent shot at clearing the stage, rather than everyone except Yusuke just gassing out on the Vertical Limit. 30 seconds of rest obviously isn't enough between the CH and VL, so that bump is mainly to accommodate competitors having more time to shake their arms out and psyche themselves up, while not at the expense of not being able to rest at any other break point. But only a slight bump because you obviously don't want the time limit to be so lenient such that competitors can have a field day between obstacles.

Bit off topic, but I do actually like the idea of a timer, in that it would add a completely new element of strategy to Stage 3 rather than just upper body/obstacle training, in that competitors would have to get tactical in terms of how long they spend resting at each break point. Also, while the current system clearly has worked, competitors have taken the piss where they completely rest their arms while on an obstacle that requires leg assistance (e.g. Sidewinder, Spider Flip), also I've seen a load of cases where Inui goes 'ikimashoo' ('go' in Japanese) and then the competitor still takes an extra 5-10 seconds rest before mounting the obstacle. Having a time limit would address these issues.

[m4tt3r0x]

I'd probably have to choose being against a Stage 3 timer personally. I like that the Stage is kinda chill even though there is a lowkey intermittent obstacle timer and the course is brutal. Feel like the stage would just turn into ANW's current Stage 2 at that point. It's not the worst thing, but yeah. Having the rest time being 30 seconds but an extra 5 or so seconds if needed for like timing the Cliffhanger is fine imo.

[Ninja Relaxer]

Sept 13, 2022 15:28:16 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

an average of 6.5 minutes per rest point, compared to the current 30 seconds.

I thought the current rest period was 5 minutes per rest point, but I don't remember where I heard that, and I can't find anything on Sasukepedia. Do we have a source for that information? 

[dakohosu]

Sept 13, 2022 18:12:59 GMT -5 Ninja Relaxer said:

Sept 13, 2022 15:28:16 GMT -5 dakohosu said:

an average of 6.5 minutes per rest point, compared to the current 30 seconds.

I thought the current rest period was 5 minutes per rest point, but I don't remember where I heard that, and I can't find anything on Sasukepedia. Do we have a source for that information? 

Nah it’s not, which is why everyone got so riled up when Yusuke took 5 minutes to rest before the Crazy Cliffhanger in 29 (which was the only tournament with a Stage 3 timer, albeit not a limit just to see who could go the farthest).

It used to be 20 seconds, on a lot of Golden Era runs you could hear someone saying ‘ni ju byo’ the minute a competitor touched down, like 14 and 16 were quite audible. But recently it’s been 30 seconds. On Rene’s run between the Cliffhanger and Vertical Limit a few seconds after he touched down I could hear ‘20 seconds’ then ‘10 seconds’ shortly after. It seemed as though that example was being filmed in real time as well, as in it’s not as though they just cut a load out of his rest period. A lot of the older runs as well you could tell their rest periods were shown in full and it was definitely pretty short lol.

In terms of the rest period I think the Cliffhanger is the exception as you can’t just force competitors to go at potentially the worst time in terms of ledges syncing.

[brz0ny]

I think people find 3rd stage favourite because it has no time limit. Obviously other stages need one but all a stage with pure upper body strength needs is just to not allow competitors to rest too much between obstacles. Adding time limit would just either be totally useless or lead to competitor errors, but if I really had to put one, its probably 3-5 mins. You can compare it to international competitions which time it.