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Watanabe Mika
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Post by dt on Aug 24, 2022 14:15:49 GMT -5
If Katsumi Yamada had been just a liiittle bit faster in Sasuke 3 and been the first person to achieve total victory, do you think his life would have turned out similar? Would he have been satisfied and been a better employee/family man or would he have just become obsessed with winning for a 2nd time?
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Aug 24, 2022 14:23:24 GMT -5
If Katsumi Yamada had been just a liiittle bit faster in Sasuke 3 and been the first person to achieve total victory, do you think his life would have turned out similar? Would he have been satisfied and been a better employee/family man or would he have just become obsessed with winning for a 2nd time? Tbh I feel like his "obsession" with SASUKE to the point of alienating his family etc has long been farfetched. Yes he was probably the most dedicated competitor there was in his prime but it's not like he ever had a stable job in his life to begin with. Divorces are nothing new too so I just feel like the producers just built that narrative around him rather than this being the complete truth |
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Post by dakohosu on Aug 24, 2022 14:33:00 GMT -5
I'm usually pretty conclusive on my thoughts, but I'm honestly going back and forth on this.
A part of me is leaning towards yes, given that the reason why Yamada became increasingly obsessive over Sasuke is that he wanted to feel as though the sacrifices that he made meant something. He quit/got fired (which one is it, does anyone know?) from his job and alienated his family to achieve Total Victory, so the stakes were so high for him that he felt compelled for it to have paid off somewhat, and achieving Total Victory even once would have at least meant that all of those sacrifices at least resulted in him getting what he wanted. Obviously not a worthwhile trade-off whatsoever for most people, but it's Yamada.... I think what drove him to become so delusional towards the end of his proper career was that he couldn't accept that he'd spend 10+ years endlessly training and doing nothing else yet his dream hadn't been achieved and was fading away very quickly.
But then a part of me leans towards no as well. Yes, Yamada achieving his life's goal would've made his sacrifices 'worthwhile' so he probably wouldn't have gone as insane as he did, but I think a part of his drive to achieve Total Victory was to uphold his reputation. He was Mr. Sasuke, an All-Star, and had worn 99 or 100 multiple times, and I feel as though him winning may have actually increased his desire to perform well to maintain said reputation. While winning once would've maybe mitigated the negative feedback loop of 'fail, lose more confidence, let lost confidence mentally plague further attempts, fail even earlier', I do think the obsession to still remain as the top dog would've kept him coming back for more, albeit potentially with a slightly less obsessive compulsive mindset. After all, Yamada can be heinously competitive, so no doubt even with a win under his belt, he'd still feel the need to do one over on Akiyama or Nagano to be the 'best' of all the champions.
What I will say is that probably would've performed better in his subsequent attempts had he won in 3, given that many of his fails after that were due to self-sabotage driven by his mental state of having given everything up to perform on that given day. With less self-imposed pressure, he would've been a lot less likely to fail Stage 2 in the ways that he did (think Sasuke 9, 11, and 12), and who knows how far he could've gone had he made it back to Stage 3 and not freaked himself out on the Pipe Slider?
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Aug 24, 2022 16:52:19 GMT -5
He quit/got fired (which one is it, does anyone know?) from his job and alienated his family to achieve Total Victory, so the stakes were so high for him that he felt compelled for it to have paid off somewhat, and achieving Total Victory even once would have at least meant that all of those sacrifices at least resulted in him getting what he wanted. I'm 99% sure he was fired. I remember a video stating he built a SASUKE set DURING WORK, which led to him being laid off. If memory serves me, it was the 4 hour SASUKE history video, which may or may not be credible, but I can't imagine anyone making a story that ridiculous up, especially when it's such a classic Yamada thing to do. |
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Post by sackeshi on Aug 25, 2022 7:13:33 GMT -5
I think if he wins in SASUKE 3 he would have satisfied his obsession with SASUKE. SASUKE 3 made him feel as though it was achievable. If he had simply failed half way up the rope he probably also isn't so obsessive. Being seconds away from victory got in his head.
So I do think his life changes for the better. Does he still compete yes but its not a "I need to win this for pride or my dream" its, "Lets see how far I can get and have fun".
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Post by Messup434 on Aug 25, 2022 10:06:38 GMT -5
I think if he wins in SASUKE 3 he would have satisfied his obsession with SASUKE. SASUKE 3 made him feel as though it was achievable. If he had simply failed half way up the rope he probably also isn't so obsessive. Being seconds away from victory got in his head. So I do think his life changes for the better. Does he still compete yes but its not a "I need to win this for pride or my dream" its, "Lets see how far I can get and have fun". Nah, I doubt that. I agree it might be to a lesser extent, but I think any degree of success on the show would lead to obsessive behavior. |
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Aug 25, 2022 10:29:16 GMT -5
I think it would have changed his life for the better, especially if there was a course renewal in Sasuke 4 that prevented Akiyama from winning.
But if Yamada wins Sasuke 3, and Akiyama still goes on to win Sasuke 4?
I think in that case Yamada would feel like his time in the sun had been too short, and he'd be obsessed with regaining the "championship belt," so to speak. In that case, not much would change.
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Post by sackeshi on Aug 25, 2022 12:00:50 GMT -5
I think it would have changed his life for the better, especially if there was a course renewal in Sasuke 4 that prevented Akiyama from winning. But if Yamada wins Sasuke 3, and Akiyama still goes on to win Sasuke 4? I think in that case Yamada would feel like his time in the sun had been too short, and he'd be obsessed with regaining the "championship belt," so to speak. In that case, not much would change. He wouldn't win in 4 because the Jump hang would be in place or some trampoline obstacle and we know how well he did. |
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Post by subtleagent on Aug 27, 2022 11:11:16 GMT -5
Given how obsessed he was with the show, I don't think having just one win would satisfy him enough. Knowing how he was back in the day he'd likely want to consistently remain on top and the only real way to do that would be to achieve Kanzenseiha more times and considering how sharp his drop was after 12 I feel like falling that far would have an even worse impact on his mentality. I guess it depends on how you look at him, but given how he really was one of those competitors... the most notorious one in fact who just never knew when enough is enough, winning 3 would just be the beginning of his desire to cling to his accomplishments.
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