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Post by wolf4537 on Dec 28, 2021 13:35:20 GMT -5
My mind is blown that they just seem to not care about stage 2 anymore. It's just a placeholder at this point if you ask me that they almost want us to overlook now with how it hasn't changed whatsoever. And again....don't even get me STARTED on the backstream......  I'm just gonna go out on a limb and say they don't change a single thing about it for Sasuke 40. |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 28, 2021 14:14:48 GMT -5
It seems as though most competitors have 'worked out' the new Stage 2 with the Rolling Log.
It was a real bloodbath last time with most competitors barely clearing but now we got half of the field clearing with 15+ seconds left. I think before 38 no one saw the log as a real threat but after 38 it really led them to train aggressively for it, and as a result even Keitaro, Mr Stage 2 fail, cleared lol. This time round we got far fewer falters on the Salmon Ladder which was a huge issue last time, except for Goto who evidently rushed.
I'm a realist here so I'm not going to suggest anything that I know won't happen, these suggestions unfortunately including removing the Backstream as it's survived 2 renewals now. I would also say change the Salmon Ladder Kudari/Nobori and Spider Walk as they're hella stale, but there's no point as it won't happen knowing Inui. I think the best actually possible change we can expect is going to be a reduction in time limit. Change it down to 90-95 seconds next time maybe. With the last three obstacles being unfailable the only way to make them moderately exciting is to make sure the competitors are fighting against the clock.
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Post by azn on Dec 28, 2021 14:46:12 GMT -5
I'm kinda surprised they didn't bring back the Sandan version of the Rolling Log with added drops, I thought that was a reasonable mod to the log but other than that, agreed with the time limit, any suggestions we can make on improving or changing the course are easier said then done. If I did have one other than the usual removals, I'd say replace the Reverse Conveyer with the balance tank or something a long those lines. At least have something that's failable before the walls
Side note, I couldn't help but laugh how the chat from the stream really believed that we were getting the 2nd coming of Sk19 for stage 2.
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Post by SRW on Dec 28, 2021 15:15:09 GMT -5
Scrap it but all they will do is reduce the time...
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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 28, 2021 17:02:48 GMT -5
Scrap it but all they will do is reduce the time... That would honestly be a good thing, especially if they reduce the time to 95 seconds. A lot of competitors will have to speed up if that happens. Still, some changes need to be made. |
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Post by sasukefinnja on Dec 28, 2021 17:42:21 GMT -5
All we need is Metal Spin after Backstream and we are fine...  |
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Post by wolf4537 on Dec 28, 2021 18:38:08 GMT -5
All we need is Metal Spin after Backstream and we are fine... I'm actually ok with this. The backstream year after year just shows that no one cares anymore about the novelty factor of being able to legally touch the water in an obstacle. It NEEDS to go. |
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Post by dragstar on Dec 28, 2021 20:59:13 GMT -5
Reverse Conveyor after Backstream is horrible. Should've been the other way around.
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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 28, 2021 21:34:54 GMT -5
Reverse Conveyor after Backstream is horrible. Should've been the other way around. No it's not. If anything it makes the Reverse Conveyor more challenging. The Reverse Conveyor would just be too easy for the current crop if it was before the Backstream. IMO they should make the Backstream the 3rd obstacle of the 2nd Stage, after the Salmon Ladder and before the Spider Walk. That would IMO be very challenging for the competitors. |
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Post by dragstar on Dec 29, 2021 2:58:49 GMT -5
Reverse Conveyor after Backstream is horrible. Should've been the other way around. No it's not. If anything it makes the Reverse Conveyor more challenging. The Reverse Conveyor would just be too easy for the current crop if it was before the Backstream. IMO they should make the Backstream the 3rd obstacle of the 2nd Stage, after the Salmon Ladder and before the Spider Walk. That would IMO be very challenging for the competitors. Damn, that would be even rougher due to the competitors having to use their hands and legs moving around those walls after swimming. Would be really slippery. |
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Post by subtleagent on Dec 29, 2021 3:18:19 GMT -5
Still peeved they nerfed the log, that was like the one well done thing in this stage and you'd think with a renewal they would have buffed it. It really killed Stage 2 for me.
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 29, 2021 5:08:13 GMT -5
Yeah honestly I have no idea what they were thinking about making the log easier (apparently the track was shorter than in 38, and the log didn't appear to get stuck at all this time), especially given that Stage 1 was barely any harder than usual. I mean had there not been rain we could've easily got 20+ clears, making there way more room to make Stage 2 even harder.
They probably wanted a lot of competitors to reach Stage 3 to make it seem like more of a bloodbath; after all, the more fails we get, the 'harder' it's perceived. I still just don't think it's acceptable to make Stage 2 easier in a renewal tournament, especially as 38's Stage 2 was one of the best we'd seen in a while and they just went back on that success. At least reduce the time limit but nope....
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Dec 29, 2021 5:28:17 GMT -5
ngl I'm ok with stage 2 right now. It's working for the most part to weed out the out of nowhere clears and getting the good people going (or sinking. bipolar)
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Post by CustomKing57 on Dec 29, 2021 11:18:19 GMT -5
It’s honestly time to either reduce the limit by 10-15 seconds or simply upgrade the Salmon Ladder to it’s new forms, especially as only one challenger failed it this time.
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Post by subtleagent on Dec 29, 2021 12:35:14 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Goto would've been DQed, but it didn't matter since he lost his grip anyway. Knowing Inui he probably has some rule like that in effect for the transition between Salmon Ladders. I'm kind of surprised he did that though.
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Dec 29, 2021 14:23:58 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure Goto would've been DQed, but it didn't matter since he lost his grip anyway. Knowing Inui he probably has some rule like that in effect for the transition between Salmon Ladders. I'm kind of surprised he did that though. Goto said on twitter that he had whacked so much spray on his hands before his run the bar actually stuck to him when he tried to grab it and that’s why it bounced away from him and he lost control. |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 29, 2021 14:44:34 GMT -5
Yeah when I saw him knock the bar lop-sided I was like uh oh but then he fell anyway. Also the distance from the first to the second ladder is deceptively large, I estimated about 3 feet; you really have to hurl yourself forward to reach out and grab it first time otherwise you swing back and lose control like Goto did.
Speaking of Goto, I’m honestly happy to say he proved me wrong. I felt as though he was massively overhyped and would just turn out to be another Daisuke Matsuda who’s a huge fan of the show but doesn’t do particularly well, but after seeing his Stage 1 clear and how capable he is from his Instagram I’ve got a lot of hope for him in future tournaments. He probably would’ve reached Stage 3 if he hadn’t rushed into the Salmon Ladder.
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Post by Mk20SSR on Dec 30, 2021 3:01:09 GMT -5
Not gonna lie, this stage needs an overhaul since 32 imo. I agree with some that this stage is being a placeholder and a giveaway for the experienced, shorten the track of the Rolling Log is beyond me but without changing the time limit is another thing that frustrates me.
If the time limit were to be reduced by a mere 5 seconds (100 seconds), two competitors (who cleared the stage) will fail.
If the time limit were to be reduced by 10 seconds (95 seconds), four competitors (who cleared the stage) will fail. Imo, this is probably the best time limit to fit with the current Second Stage.
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 30, 2021 4:55:12 GMT -5
They clearly just wanted more people to reach (and hence fail) Stage 3.
I mean let's be honest, Stage 1 is probably easier than it was before, with the first wall of the Double Warped Wall not being a serious threat whatsoever in dry conditions yet an extra 10 seconds was added to the time limit. The Dragon Glider was also functioning properly this time meaning no unfair fails like there were in 38. Also competitors have had a year to train on these very same obstacles so they came back stronger than ever.
Stage 2 was way easier both in terms of difficulty and time due to the log.
Fundamentally they got what they wanted. We got 9 Stage 3 attempts and most of them ended really early. I guess they assumed that the increased difficulty of Stage 3 wouldn't have had as much of an impact if we'd seen fewer attempts on it.
Speaking of Stage 3, I couldn't work out, was the Cliffhanger Dimension modified in any way?
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Post by Mk20SSR on Dec 30, 2021 5:05:56 GMT -5
They clearly just wanted more people to reach (and hence fail) Stage 3. I mean let's be honest, Stage 1 is probably easier than it was before, with the first wall of the Double Warped Wall not being a serious threat whatsoever in dry conditions yet an extra 10 seconds was added to the time limit. The Dragon Glider was also functioning properly this time meaning no unfair fails like there were in 38. Also competitors have had a year to train on these very same obstacles so they came back stronger than ever. Stage 2 was way easier both in terms of difficulty and time due to the log. Fundamentally they got what they wanted. We got 9 Stage 3 attempts and most of them ended really early. I guess they assumed that the increased difficulty of Stage 3 wouldn't have had as much of an impact if we'd seen fewer attempts on it. Speaking of Stage 3, I couldn't work out, was the Cliffhanger Dimension modified in any way? Based on what I saw on the broadcast, other than the fact the ledges are moving according to the original length (both 90cm, remember the second ledge was moving by 1m), the speed looks relatively similar to 38. |
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