supersheep
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Post by supersheep on Jun 24, 2009 13:19:05 GMT -5
I dont' see what the problem is with the timer.
David said they had many testers try it out to determine this time limit, and that in 45 seconds, no one got more than about halfway up the rope in 45 seconds. I dont see why someone has to have been on Sasuke since the stone age or been to the final multiple times to make it. I also dont see why no one deserves to win. Last I checked past performances don't impact your run in the current competition. It's what can you do that day, not what have you done before.
Watch the 3rd stage, Yuuji has the quickest hands i've ever seen, it shows on the 2nd, 3rd, and 4th obstacles. This skill is perfect for climbing the ladder which is why he got up so fast. Secondly, I dont think it's fair to say he can't climb rope, he was exhausted, climbing the ladder is much more tiring then spider walk, and took more time. Not to mention the other stages are longer than before, and 2 hour break or not, you're not getting all your energy back. Yuuji just seems to be a perfect fit for this final stage, like Nagano was in the previous one due to his spider walking abilities. Had the first attempt on the final stage before been Nagano in 12, with his insane spider walking speed, everyone would be saying WOW thats too easy, lower it to 20 or 25 seconds, which we of course know is completely impossible for anyone, and Nagano would probably not even come that close either. I think we need to trust that the producers researched and tested this appropriately and that if other people try, it will show.
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Post by Oti on Jun 25, 2009 0:34:11 GMT -5
I still think the time limit is too lenient and Yuuji doesn't deserve to win yet. I also believe he can't climb a rope for crap.
Climbing a ladder isn't all about hand speed, you know... And more tiring than the Spider Climb? I doubt it.
After a two hour break, if you've eaten and drunken things, you have nearly all, if not all, your energy back. You have about 99% back after 45 minutes.
We didn't want the old final stage's time limit lowered because Nagano only won because he climbed so fast. Yuuji didn't climb the ladder with the same amount of "holy crap, look how fast he is" as Nagano spider climbed, and, like I said above, Yuuji can't climb ropes very well. If he could climb ropes as well as Akiyama or Yamada, he probably would have won with at least 4 seconds left.
So, a lot of us want the time limit lowered.
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Post by obakemono on Jun 25, 2009 1:37:23 GMT -5
After a two hour break, if you've eaten and drunken things, you have nearly all, if not all, your energy back. You have about 99% back after 45 minutes. I very much doubt that. If you run a marathon, then take a two hour break, and run another one, you're not going to get the same time. Something like the third stage is probably going to take it out of you for the rest of the day and most of the following one.
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Post by Oti on Jun 25, 2009 2:01:41 GMT -5
Between sets when working out, 2-3 minutes rests give you about 90% of your strength back. After that, it tapers off quite a bit. If you haven't killed yourself (with a marathon, for example), you should have most of you energy back after 45 minutes.
Tired for the following day, too? Just from stage three? Not quite. The third stage is the equivalent of an upper body workout at most. If it leaves you exhausted for the rest of the day and the next, how you got that far in the first place is beyond me.
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Post by lazarus0280 on Jun 25, 2009 5:49:20 GMT -5
Hmmmm, not sure I necessarily agree. Depends on the workout and what you are doing. Case by case basis. In order to make max gains normally you allow 45 seconds rest, and try to duplicate the reps or decrease by 2. Not sure what workouts your doing but to be at 90% two minutes after a max set seems high.
Maybe, I'm just not normal but i'll look up. For instance for me with pull ups, i can go balls to the wall and hit bn 17-20. Jello arms etc..... i can rest 2-5 mins but arms are gone, i be lucky to hit ten next set.
I curious what type of workout ya referring to. If your talking low weight max reps....then yeah i could see that. But working power....I have to disagree.
In regards to the third stage, well yeah I'd agree they are pretty fresh.First two stages don't deal two much with strength. Third stage is all about upperbody and dealing with your own bodyweight.
Benchpress is sore subject for alot of you but bench your weight max reps....then wait two minutes... try it again. and repeat. see how far you can go. same with pull ups etc. try that for 12 minutes and see where you are. We said final stage is probally 2 hours after the third stage.....that might be generous but repeat the workout and try to replicate the numbers two hours after initial workout..... see if you are close anyway.
Peoples recovery times are different. Now, I'm a tad older so, I can probablly build and maintain faster, but i bet damn near most of you will recover faster. Just goes with gettin older. The body is a crazy thing...and despite books and everything else, none of us are the same....what works for one won't work for another. That's half the fun.
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Post by Oti on Jun 25, 2009 7:44:24 GMT -5
Like you said, it depends on the workout you're doing. When training for endurance, a 45 second or so rest between sets is about right. When lifting with your one rep max, though, you need about 2-3 minutes to recover a majority of your strength so you can continue to lift your 1RM.
So, as I said above, I'm talking about strength training. You and your pull-ups are more toward the endurance end of the spectrum.
And I disagree with your last paragraph. We're all physiologically the same. If you workout intensely, then cool down, stretch, have a protein shake with carbohydrates and do some light cardio the next day, you're going to recover quickly. Couple that with an already solid diet and many, many weeks of this routine and you're going to be ready to rock again in no time.
It's like strength training. Use your 1RM for strength. Use less weight than that and try to do it explosively and you'll build power. Use girlie weights and do it hundreds of times, you'll get endurance.
Exercising and recovering really isn't an amazing, abstract concept that no one can predict. It's just a science.
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Post by lazarus0280 on Jun 25, 2009 18:19:51 GMT -5
I agree with you that fundamentally we are all the same. Just in my exeperiences in a short amount of time people recover at different speeds. Technique to build endurance, mass, cardio is the same for everyone yes. Peoples bodies don't necessarily recover at a set speed, though. I was more referring to rest times and the like.
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Post by Oti on Jun 25, 2009 18:39:15 GMT -5
According to the studies that found that, they do.
The rest between sets, I mean. Not after exercising altogether.
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Post by lazarus0280 on Jun 25, 2009 19:02:01 GMT -5
Any test like that is averages though. Be fun to look into. Let's make a generic test and see how everyone does. Think that'd be fun? Guess as long as everyone was honest anyway.
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Post by Oti on Jun 25, 2009 19:44:25 GMT -5
You have fun with that.
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Post by intelligentinfer on Sept 19, 2009 1:29:44 GMT -5
My Opinion: 1. The G-Rope ....I think the G probably means something, like glory or goal... 2. Yuuji Cleared Heavenly Ladder in 17 secs, and Completed around 9/10 of G-Rope in 28 secs, I think he's bad in rope climbing. 3. In SASUKE 17 Nagano took around 16 seconds for Final Rope, so if G-Rope is a bungee rope he should take around 20 secs. That plus Yuuji's 17 seconds on the H.Ladder means 45 secs is more than enough! Overall, I like the Spider Climb + Final rope version the best.
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Post by BLM on Sept 19, 2009 8:22:41 GMT -5
My Opinion: 1. The G-Rope ....I think the G probably means something, like glory or goal... I think G Rope means God so it makes sense with the Heavenly Ladder
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Post by rcplanes59 on Sept 19, 2009 8:31:51 GMT -5
No no no... G means G-force, i.e. Earth's gravitational pull is 1 G.
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