What happens if there are 2 Kanzenseihas in 1 tournament?

[Cosmic Castaway]

Which total victory would bring more glamour and honor if say the impossible happened and there were more than one Kanzenseiha in the same tournament?  TBH, I could see it happening here with the Grand Champions Yuuji (if he doesn't make the same Pipe Slider mistake as last time) and Yusuke (third time is the charm).  Nobody at this point cares about the money than the title and we did have a similar situation in ANW where both Geoff and Isaac got there but only one got the full entitlement unfortunately.  IDK if they would be treated equally if they did happen in Japanese ground, do you?

[m4tt3r0x]

I bet you they would be treated equally, and I imagine in the subsequent tournament they'd both get #99 and #100 or perhaps more funnily #100 and #101. I guess the higher number would be given to he who won with the faster time on Stage 4 perhaps.

But we can remember how much emphasis Sasuke put on Yuuji after he won each time. He was overshadowed by Nagano in trailers, number sequencing, and in watch time on the show. At the end of the day if two champs won, and one is more "marketable", he's going to get more of the glamour.

Edit: Actually I guess they can't actually given a competitor 101 so easily as it would potentially screw up the numbering for anniversary tournaments.

[Cosmic Castaway]

Now that i recall, there were 2 Kanzens in Kunoichi 8 and everybody was glad for both of them. Should be the same situation should 2 victories in Sasuke happen.

[Ninja Relaxer]

Is there a cash prize for winning Sasuke? I've never been clear on that.

Also, Kunoichi had two kanzenseihas in one tournament. That'd be the first place to look if you wanted to see how such a situation would work on Sasuke.

[m4tt3r0x]

Too bad Kunoichi also went off the air after they both won.

[Kane-Not-Kosugi]

Kunoichi paid both Champions in full iirc.

However, every other instance with multiple winners (American Ninja Warrior 7, Ninja Warrior France 4, Australian Ninja Warrior 4, SASUKE Vietnam 2) all had the rule that only the fastest person to climb Midoriyama would get the cash prize. In those instances, all the glory goes to the people who climbed up the fastest (Caldiero, Cerquant, Polson, Thuc Le).

If it were an instance like Kunoichi 8 I think it would come down to reputation and past experiences. If Tada and Yusuke were to both win, I'd imagine Yusuke would get more glory considering it would be his 2nd win. That would not, however, necessarily take away from Tada and his accomplishments.

If Tada and Tomo, both former finalists, won in the same tournament, I'd imagine it would just come down to who's more loved by the fans.

[tns8597]

I reckon the tournament after they’d both get treated the same, with #99 and #100 being assigned to those competitors, the latter probably being assigned to the one who was more consistent/had a better overall career. For example, if both Nagasaki and Nagano Kanzen’d in 17, come Sasuke 19 (ignoring 18 due to the different numbering system), Nagano would get #100 due to the fact that he’d made the Final Stage three times previously and was an All-Star, while Nagasaki would get #99 as he sort of came out of nowhere.

From then on; I think it would simply be about how they performed in the coming tournaments. If Nagano started failing Stage 1 consistently while Nagasaki made it to Stage 3 consistently after their Kanzens, then I think after about 1-2 tournaments the numbers would switch and Nagasaki would eventually get treated as the ‘most likely one to win it all (again)’.

Akiyama was constantly getting #99 or #100 in his comeback despite his infamous Stage 1 failure streak, but remember at that time he was the ONLY champion and I’m sure it also helped the ratings. Also at that time no one had come close to Total Victory since then, with Shingo’s early Final Stage exit and Kane not returning after his Final Stage run which was plagued by the rain. After Nagano surfaced as the most serious threat to Kanzen of the era; people sort of stopped caring about Akiyama so they ducked him down a few positions and started to digest his runs more etc.

[GlobalNinjaFan]

I think Sasuke would be more equal than the likes of ANW 7, but would still favour one over the other, though probably in nothing more than screentime/promotion.

The thing that sets the Japanese show apart from international versions is that the cash prize isn't really a factor. Sure, it exists, but it is literally never brought up in the actual show and doesn't seem to affect editing. Because of that, there really isn't a reason to push a "winner takes all" style format.

Personally, I think the prize money would be awarded to both (given its relatively low value), but the more popular overall competitor would still get more of a focus.

[ChiBiJKT48]

Dec 26, 2020 16:02:10 GMT -5 m4tt3r0x said:

"Actually I guess they can't actually given a competitor 101 so easily as it would potentially screw up the numbering for anniversary tournaments."

SASUKE 18 with 99 competitors confirmed ON THE BROADCAST want to talk.

[m4tt3r0x]

Dec 27, 2020 8:17:33 GMT -5 ChiBiJKT48 said:

Dec 26, 2020 16:02:10 GMT -5 m4tt3r0x said:

"Actually I guess they can't actually given a competitor 101 so easily as it would potentially screw up the numbering for anniversary tournaments."

SASUKE 18 with 99 competitors confirmed ON THE BROADCAST want to talk.

Never heard that. Why would they specify the number in 18 when we know multiple tournaments have had competitor rosters that deviated from 100 competitors?

[tns8597]

There were quite a few tournaments where even competitors in the 90s were unknown; were they just nobodies who got all cut or did they just have no one to put there given that the All-Stars would always be like 97-100 and the secondary players usually got a number in the 80s during that era. Like Sasuke 14; 92-95 were completely unknown.

[SasukeDoctor]

Dec 26, 2020 16:26:38 GMT -5 Ninja Relaxer said:

Is there a cash prize for winning Sasuke? I've never been clear on that.

Also, Kunoichi had two kanzenseihas in one tournament. That'd be the first place to look if you wanted to see how such a situation would work on Sasuke.

Sasuke has a cash prize, but it’s very small iirc

[Cosmic Castaway]

Two million yen I think which equates to a small American dollar amount iirc.

[Ninja Relaxer]

I looked it up. 2m Yen is roughly $20,000 USD. So a pretty small prize for all the training the competitors put in. But I don't think any of them are doing it for the money.

[ArbuthnotBlob]

Even though the prize money isn't the object for most of the competitors, I don't think it's exactly fair to say that £20,000 is a small amount!

More like 1 million is kind of ridiculous!

[tns8597]

^agreed; not only $1m USD, but getting $100,000 for going the furthest, or getting $10,000 for going up a larger Warped Wall; it really embodies how unnecessarily brash and overt ANW is compared to Sasuke.

Also, having that big a prize means that a lot of the interviews with ANW competitors highlight them wanting to win the million dollars, rather than the title of American Ninja Warrior, which I don't blame, but it just seems so much more artificial and less sincere than Sasuke competitors, who are purely there for the team spirit and to take on the course. The ANW competitors even get invited as 'celebrities' for events!

[nicholasofficial]

In Japan there are more than two winner and in overseas SNW only one who is the fastest will considered as winner, but I hope only one fastest contestant who get kanzenseiha title but the 2nd winner get lower prize money than the kanzenseiha