What should the final obstacle of Stage 3 be?

[casuallystranded]

I think that the Bar Glider is just a better version of the Pipe Slider and would work better as the last obstacle of Stage 3

[tns8597]

Maybe something more strength-draining. The Pipe Slider is actually a pretty easy obstacle (I managed it on my first try with zero training), and the Bar Glider is barely any harder; in fact it's easier because as I remember they put a stopper at the end of the track to prevent it from rolling backwards.

I'd say move the Flying Bar to the final obstacle because that creates so much more suspense, except with 4-5 transitions rather than 2, and replace the first obstacle with something like the Roulette Cylinder; that was a brutal obstacle that never got enough attention

[thegreatluigi]

I think there's a good reason that the Pipe Slider has been in 26 tournaments, and is one of the most iconic obstacles in Sasuke history, while the Bar Glider appeared just once, and was rarely spoken of again...

[bravercoolio]

Bar Glider would've been a lot harder had they not installed the stopper, way harder actually. Pipe Slider is tired out and it's nerfed final jump is only making it more tiresome.

[casuallystranded]

Jun 13, 2020 8:45:18 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

I'd say move the Flying Bar to the final obstacle because that creates so much more suspense, except with 4-5 transitions rather than 2, and replace the first obstacle with something like the Roulette Cylinder; that was a brutal obstacle that never got enough attention

Perhaps the Stair Hopper from ANW 8 could be put in the final obstacle spot?

[Rafas]

pipe slider with a much bigger jump, like sasuke 10-16

[ChiBiJKT48]

I think Bar Glider will be more better if there's no stopper in that obstacle. But recently, Pipe Slider also had stopper, so it was really the same....

However, we had seven failures on Pipe Slider in the first tournament it appear, even without the jump, compared to two people who attempt Bar Glider and had no real trouble, despite Bar Glider being designed to be harder than Pipe Slider. That alone should explain why Pipe Slider > Bar Glider.

[tns8597]

Yeah but also bear in mind that in SASUKE 2 the course was WAY easier overall and no one actually trained for SASUKE. We also had awful obstacles like the Hang Move which I genuinely regard as the worst/easiest obstacle ever, let alone for Stage 3 given what it's become now, whereas the Bar Glider was only attempted by Ryo and Urushihara, who are Unlimited Cliffers for a reason.

I think the only good reason to keep the Pipe Slider is that it creates suspense as the final obstacle, as the competitor is sliding down the track and preparing for the jump, but I think you get even more suspense with the Flying Bar, because you know at any point the competitor could fail. Just my opinion though. I got far more pumped up watching ANW competitors attempt the Flying Bar as a do or die for the Final Stage.

[ArbuthnotBlob]

Jun 14, 2020 8:00:29 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

I think the only good reason to keep the Pipe Slider is that it creates suspense as the final obstacle, as the competitor is sliding down the track and preparing for the jump, but I think you get even more suspense with the Flying Bar, because you know at any point the competitor could fail. Just my opinion though. I got far more pumped up watching ANW competitors attempt the Flying Bar as a do or die for the Final Stage.

I actually disagree! I personally find Flying Bar very anticlimactic and un-fun to watch, it almost feels like a random luck challenge, even though there is a lot of skill in making sure the bar travels true. You could say the only difficult part of the Pipe Slider is the jump (though there are several runs that disprove that throughout SASUKE) I feel like it's a fitting end to the 3rd stage - a final arm drain obstacle ramping up the tension to the climatic jump to safety. Flying Bar feels like a jump scare, whereas Pipe Slider feels like a finale.

I also feel that it is very iconic to SASUKE - I put it in the same sort of category as Wall Lift, Warped Wall, the various Cliffhangers and Spider Walks as a stone-cold classic obstacle that it almost feels strange to be without (I know Shin Sasuke had Gliding Ring but I'm glad they changed it back, honestly, it's doesn't quite have the same effect) 

Ultimately, I just find it to just be a fun obstacle to watch - every time I see it I want to try it myself! 

[ChiBiJKT48]

Jun 14, 2020 8:00:29 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

Yeah but also bear in mind that in SASUKE 2 the course was WAY easier overall and no one actually trained for SASUKE. We also had awful obstacles like the Hang Move which I genuinely regard as the worst/easiest obstacle ever, let alone for Stage 3 given what it's become now, whereas the Bar Glider was only attempted by Ryo and Urushihara, who are Unlimited Cliffers for a reason.

I think the only good reason to keep the Pipe Slider is that it creates suspense as the final obstacle, as the competitor is sliding down the track and preparing for the jump, but I think you get even more suspense with the Flying Bar, because you know at any point the competitor could fail. Just my opinion though. I got far more pumped up watching ANW competitors attempt the Flying Bar as a do or die for the Final Stage.

Didn't that further prove my point? Those seven who fail Pipe Slider, their energy wasn't drained so much by that lame Third Stage, yet can't clear Pipe Slider. By the time Matachi and Urushihara reach Bar Glider, they just passed the hardest Third Stage in history *albeit it was made a bit easier that tournament*, yet they don't seem to had real problem with Bar Glider.

As mentioned too by the post before me, Pipe Slider is more iconic than Flying Bar. Although I must not agree with her about the luck, but watching people pushing the pipe and making a jump *or touch down in SASUKE 2 and 3* to the mat instead of making them fly to each cradle is more interesting, at least in my opinion.

[tns8597]

Fair enough, each to their own I guess. But to be honest I am surprised that many people failed the Pipe Slider; it's actually a really easy obstacle, hence why most people from SASUKE 4 onwards tended to fail the jump.

To be honest, speaking realistically (by which I mean factoring in that there won't be significant course changes for the foreseeable future), I would advocate connecting the Vertical Limit and Pipe Slider with no rest; it would be interesting to see how people do.

Connecting the CH and VL has been shown to be way too hard, and connecting all three of the final obstacles like in SASUKE 33 was just ridiculous, but no one failed the VL in SASUKE 37 so I feel like it's definitely beatable but a realistic difficulty bump nonetheless.

[zoran]

Jun 14, 2020 13:53:12 GMT -5 ChiBiJKT48 said:

Jun 14, 2020 8:00:29 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

Yeah but also bear in mind that in SASUKE 2 the course was WAY easier overall and no one actually trained for SASUKE. We also had awful obstacles like the Hang Move which I genuinely regard as the worst/easiest obstacle ever, let alone for Stage 3 given what it's become now, whereas the Bar Glider was only attempted by Ryo and Urushihara, who are Unlimited Cliffers for a reason.

I think the only good reason to keep the Pipe Slider is that it creates suspense as the final obstacle, as the competitor is sliding down the track and preparing for the jump, but I think you get even more suspense with the Flying Bar, because you know at any point the competitor could fail. Just my opinion though. I got far more pumped up watching ANW competitors attempt the Flying Bar as a do or die for the Final Stage.

Didn't that further prove my point? Those seven who fail Pipe Slider, their energy wasn't drained so much by that lame Third Stage, yet can't clear Pipe Slider. By the time Matachi and Urushihara reach Bar Glider, they just passed the hardest Third Stage in history *albeit it was made a bit easier that tournament*, yet they don't seem to had real problem with Bar Glider.

As mentioned too by the post before me, Pipe Slider is more iconic than Flying Bar. Although I must not agree with her about the luck, but watching people pushing the pipe and making a jump *or touch down in SASUKE 2 and 3* to the mat instead of making them fly to each cradle is more interesting, at least in my opinion.

Sasuke 33's stage 3: Am I a joke to you?

[ChiBiJKT48]

Jun 14, 2020 17:24:11 GMT -5 zoran said:

Jun 14, 2020 13:53:12 GMT -5 ChiBiJKT48 said:

Didn't that further prove my point? Those seven who fail Pipe Slider, their energy wasn't drained so much by that lame Third Stage, yet can't clear Pipe Slider. By the time Matachi and Urushihara reach Bar Glider, they just passed the hardest Third Stage in history *albeit it was made a bit easier that tournament*, yet they don't seem to had real problem with Bar Glider.

As mentioned too by the post before me, Pipe Slider is more iconic than Flying Bar. Although I must not agree with her about the luck, but watching people pushing the pipe and making a jump *or touch down in SASUKE 2 and 3* to the mat instead of making them fly to each cradle is more interesting, at least in my opinion.

Sasuke 33's stage 3: Am I a joke to you?

That's why I didn't agree about the luck mentioned before on Flying Bar. And after that mess, didn't they decide to make the cradles bigger, making the wipeout in SASUKE 33 is now less likely to happen?

[tns8597]

No, the issue with the Flying Bar on SASUKE 33 was that they added a support string to prevent the bar from coming down in the water should a competitor fail. That was the reason so many people failed in 33, while in 32 half of the fails were because of the weather. They should defo not have used a support beam, because, you know, the bar is made of metal, which can be dried.....

[zoran]

Jun 15, 2020 3:22:49 GMT -5 ChiBiJKT48 said:

Jun 14, 2020 17:24:11 GMT -5 zoran said:

Sasuke 33's stage 3: Am I a joke to you?

That's why I didn't agree about the luck mentioned before on Flying Bar. And after that mess, didn't they decide to make the cradles bigger, making the wipeout in SASUKE 33 is now less likely to happen?

My point was in reference to your claim that 25-27 had the hardest stage 3. Sasuke 33 had the UCCH,VLK, Pipe Slider combo and the awkward flying bar.

[ChiBiJKT48]

Jun 15, 2020 8:09:28 GMT -5 zoran said:

Jun 15, 2020 3:22:49 GMT -5 ChiBiJKT48 said:

That's why I didn't agree about the luck mentioned before on Flying Bar. And after that mess, didn't they decide to make the cradles bigger, making the wipeout in SASUKE 33 is now less likely to happen?

My point was in reference to your claim that 25-27 had the hardest stage 3. Sasuke 33 had the UCCH,VLK, Pipe Slider combo and the awkward flying bar.

I forgot to quote it was to refer at that time. Of course, as SASUKE progress, the stage is getting harder.

[ArbuthnotBlob]

I feel like I should clarify that when I said luck I didn't mean I thought it was a luck-based obstacle, it is definitely a skill, it just feels like watching one (to me)!

[ChiBiJKT48]

Jun 15, 2020 6:13:31 GMT -5 tns8597 said:

No, the issue with the Flying Bar on SASUKE 33 was that they added a support string to prevent the bar from coming down in the water should a competitor fail. That was the reason so many people failed in 33, while in 32 half of the fails were because of the weather. They should defo not have used a support beam, because, you know, the bar is made of metal, which can be dried.....

That, combined with a very small cradles, result in failures that we see on SASUKE 33. After they made bigger cradles, I only remember one person *Ben Toyer in SASUKE 36* failing that obstacle, and it should be noted that it was his first time attempting Third Stage.

[tns8597]

I still can't believe that SASUKE 33's Stage 3 was a thing. They made those changes because Drew cleared the UCCH on his first try, but immediately failed the Vertical Limit that it was connected it to (i.e. came nowhere near close to clearing the already impossible combo), so they decided to reduce the number of rests to a total of 2 across all 6 obstacles and add that dumb wire to the Flying Bar!

I think they should either:
- Leave the Pipe Slider, but connect the Cliffhanger and Vertical Limit, but this time with only one VL ledge as otherwise it's impossible.
- Keep as is, but switch to Flying Bar as the final obstacle, with smaller cradles, more transitions, and no dumb wire.

[Kane-Not-Kosugi]

Arm Rings. Same thing as the Pipe Slider, but with little dips and raises it could make for tougher movements after being so drained. Not to mention the dismount would be tougher in its own way.