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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Jan 15, 2018 21:56:23 GMT -5
So in the thread about Joe Moravsky/Team Storm not being in Ninja Vs. Ninja we all dug deep into the TV aspect of the show and NBC. This ultimately led to saying how the show's days are numbered, which is a sad thought. While we know this won't happen anytime soon, I'll ask the question: How much longer until American Ninja Warrior becomes outdated, loses popularity, and ultimately gets cancelled? How will it affect the spinoffs it's birthed? Of course this is not happening soon, but how many more years/seasons do you think we'll have?
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Post by tyler on Jan 15, 2018 22:41:13 GMT -5
I think it's tv silver so to speak. AGT/Summer Olympics will always be the most popular show of the summer but ANW has a huge following. While, some of the original fans have stopped following it because of the sob stories, there are still many talented athletes that are highlighted in the city finals and stage 1, 2, and 3. There is a huge pool of people who want to compete so even if some of the veterans leave, there will be those who take their place. There's only 4 who have competed in every season. I would think Ninja vs. Ninja would be canceled well before ANW because of viewership. I think the timeslot of ANW will make it unlikely to go for a while. The only thing that could damage it is a show that would compete against its timeslot which right now there doesnt seem to be a show.
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Post by Messup434 on Jan 16, 2018 9:56:43 GMT -5
Straight and simple: until season 12
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Jan 16, 2018 13:44:27 GMT -5
Straight and simple: until season 12 What makes you say such a specific date?
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Post by Messup434 on Jan 16, 2018 22:39:13 GMT -5
Straight and simple: until season 12 What makes you say such a specific date? Well it's just my educated reponse off of watching some other shows. This season ratings began to drop slightly. I don't see anything improving in the future and I think the show will continue to lose viewers next year and season 12 is when NBC will finally make the decision to pull the plug. As incomparable as ANW is with shows like Wipeout, I know Wipeout only had four years of worsening ratings before it was finally killed. Basically, most of the shows I watch have two to three years of suffering before they're finally ended. There's certainly the chance that I'll be shocked in three years when the show is still very popular or has been cancelled for a long time, but I just have a hunch that season 12 will be the last. I'm gonna remember my prediction because I wanna see if it comes true
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Post by chancer23 on Jun 20, 2018 9:12:21 GMT -5
Since original Sasuke is still around anw can go a long time
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Jun 20, 2018 13:18:28 GMT -5
The difference between Sasuke and ANW is that Sasuke is 1 periodical broadcast and ANW is a weekly show. I think that could affect ratings and could make people get over it faster.
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Post by Messup434 on Jun 20, 2018 13:48:20 GMT -5
The difference between Sasuke and ANW is that Sasuke is 1 periodical broadcast and ANW is a weekly show. I think that could affect ratings and could make people get over it faster. That's the truth. Sasuke has had over three times the "seasons" as ANW, but even then has had far fewer broadcast hours than the American version. I expect ANW's profited more from their broadcasts, as well. Still, I think I'm changing my guess for ANW to be cancelled after season 14 now. It's doing better than I thought it would, so far.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2018 16:03:56 GMT -5
Until I see NBC creating programs that can win timeslots, I don't see ANW finishing anytime soon. NBC literally has nothing to replace ANW right now. It's spin offs may end but I don't see ANW going away soon.
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Post by nekomi3 on Jun 27, 2018 4:55:35 GMT -5
It will last until NBC decides to stop producing ANW due to these reasons: viewers, timeslot, rating and the trending.
First of all, the viewers. If there are just like 10k viewers each season then I think NBC would stop it. Just my opinion since I don’t have any idea about US television.
Second, timeslot. The ANW could only survive if it gets a good timeslot (9pm to 10pm or something like that). If it gets a dead timeslot like midnight then, rip.
Third, rating. This one had been discussed a lot in Sasuke too so I wouldn’t repeat.
Finally, the trending. If the obstacle course trend gets rip’d and an another trend just kill it easily (like AI-theme films xD) then probably only the hardcore fans will watch ANW consistently. NBC as well would take action with the trend so ANW could be killed in progress to receive three upper aspects.
Ok so for the prediction, I would say “unpredictable”. Maybe it will last for a long time, or just end as a way we couldn’t believe. Until that, just watch it lol
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Post by takeshi1 on Jun 27, 2018 12:24:25 GMT -5
10,000 viewers for a multi-million viewer show? I think they'd scrap it before it gets to that stage!
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Post by arsenette on Jun 27, 2018 14:05:26 GMT -5
10,000 viewers for a multi-million viewer show? I think they'd scrap it before it gets to that stage! Well before that. Television in the USA is different than the UK just because of the sheer numbers of the population pool. I know what you mean though even if the number is very low (G4 which was the worst station in the history of cable (and that's not hyperbole) still had 100,000 viewers watching Ninja Warrior. Network television though gauges things in ranking similar to how Japan does it. So while the physical number may fluctuate what they look at is if has won a timeslot or competed for the top spots. ANW has been solidly 2nd for 2 years running. This year ANW is losing to reruns and they are treading on dangerous territory. That said I maintain NBC has nothing to replace is to they might just prune some excess or shorten the season or edit it differently (again). Some things will change but I don't see it cancelled anytime soon. By comparison to others.. this show is dirt cheap to make and they would be crazy to cancel it when it still can contend for the timeslot even if it's not beating ABC again this year.
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Post by sasukestatistician on Jun 28, 2018 3:33:56 GMT -5
This year ANW is losing to reruns and they are treading on dangerous territory. That said I maintain NBC has nothing to replace is to they might just prune some excess or shorten the season or edit it differently (again). Some things will change but I don't see it cancelled anytime soon. By comparison to others.. this show is dirt cheap to make and they would be crazy to cancel it when it still can contend for the timeslot even if it's not beating ABC again this year. While ANW isn't doing as well as it used to, it isn't losing to reruns. As far as I can tell, it's only lost to a rerun for one hour this season in viewers and hasn't lost to a rerun in the key demo all season. In the future may decide to go back to 5 qualifiers to cut costs, but I don't think they'll get rid of USA vs. the World or the All-Star Special since the cost of producing those is very marginal. At the end of the day, getting renewed doesn't come down to winning a timeslot. It's about being more profitable than something else they can air in that slot (or some other slot). As you said, ANW is very cheap to produce, just like The Bachelor and almost every reality show, and there's nothing to replace it with. NBC doesn't have many reality shows with no high-salaried celebrity attached compared to ABC (The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, Dancing with the Stars, Shark Tank) and CBS (Big Brother, Survivor, The Amazing Race, Undercover Boss). NBC just has ANW.
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Post by takeshi1 on Jun 28, 2018 10:53:44 GMT -5
I don't get how people keep saying ANW is cheap to make? Surely building all the obstacles and different courses in different locations costs a lot.
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Post by BobbyG11 on Jun 28, 2018 11:12:29 GMT -5
I don't get how people keep saying ANW is cheap to make? Surely building all the obstacles and different courses in different locations costs a lot. Most tv shows cost in the ballpark of $3-5 million....per episode. Shows with effects like Game of Thrones are running like $10 million per episode. When compared to what they spend on scripted shows with actors, it’s peanuts.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 28, 2018 11:44:14 GMT -5
This year ANW is losing to reruns and they are treading on dangerous territory. That said I maintain NBC has nothing to replace is to they might just prune some excess or shorten the season or edit it differently (again). Some things will change but I don't see it cancelled anytime soon. By comparison to others.. this show is dirt cheap to make and they would be crazy to cancel it when it still can contend for the timeslot even if it's not beating ABC again this year. While ANW isn't doing as well as it used to, it isn't losing to reruns. As far as I can tell, it's only lost to a rerun for one hour this season in viewers and hasn't lost to a rerun in the key demo all season. In the future may decide to go back to 5 qualifiers to cut costs, but I don't think they'll get rid of USA vs. the World or the All-Star Special since the cost of producing those is very marginal. At the end of the day, getting renewed doesn't come down to winning a timeslot. It's about being more profitable than something else they can air in that slot (or some other slot). As you said, ANW is very cheap to produce, just like The Bachelor and almost every reality show, and there's nothing to replace it with. NBC doesn't have many reality shows with no high-salaried celebrity attached compared to ABC (The Bachelor, The Bachelorette, Bachelor in Paradise, Dancing with the Stars, Shark Tank) and CBS (Big Brother, Survivor, The Amazing Race, Undercover Boss). NBC just has ANW. Nah last couple of seasons they have been losing to reruns (one point they lost to Big Bang Theory 2-3 weeks in a row). It's all on the ratings threads going back about 7 years. And yes I do believe it goes down to ratings. ANW doesn't sell anything (no Blurays, no specs, not even talent) so I don't agree with the "profitable" argument when comparing it to other shows. The rest I agree with you completely. NBC does not have anything to replace it with and it was evident years ago when NBC put ANW on their channel. Before that it took NBC 10 years to have a summer hit. People forget that except us old folks who have been paying attention to stuff like that. ANW does not have talent salary per week like a major sitcom does. (Just one current example where they have to be paid $7 million an EPISODE JUST on salaries alone, not counting production costs, production crew, etc.) So it's cheaper to produce and with no attachment to stars week after week it is easy to produce an episode. They change formats, people and obstacles at will and it won't disrupt the show. You can't do that with a scripted show.
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