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Post by BobbyG11 on Oct 24, 2017 12:04:53 GMT -5
Joe Moravsky and the rest of Storm Team are not competing, according to Joe's Facebook. Man, something contractually must have gotten really insane.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2017 13:14:05 GMT -5
Hmm... that's not good when one of their biggest stars is outing something this big. (and no I don't know anything so please don't PM me)
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Post by edrider5 on Oct 24, 2017 13:52:22 GMT -5
Hmm... that's not good when one of their biggest stars is outing something this big. (and no I don't know anything so please don't PM me) Also when you considered that his whole team aren't even in it on new teams. Plus it could hit them more that the other two big stars (Drew and Jessie Graff) aren't in it as well.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2017 13:59:25 GMT -5
Hmm... that's not good when one of their biggest stars is outing something this big. (and no I don't know anything so please don't PM me) Also when you considered that his whole team aren't even in it on new teams. Plus it could hit them more that the other two big stars (Drew and Jessie Graff) aren't in it as well. TBF there has been a war brewing for a while now between the ninjas and NBC corp (Joe especially). Geoff mentioned how different the show was than ANW proper to begin with (and he left ANW because of political BS). I wouldn't be surprised that the name change for NvN was only the tip of the iceberg and they had enough. For Joe to announce that the morning of the competition is.. telling.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2017 18:01:06 GMT -5
Btw seems more going on than just Team Ninja if I'm reading this statement right.. almost reminds me of the Pro-Freerunning Exodus from ANW4...
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Post by Philip on Oct 24, 2017 18:33:07 GMT -5
Btw seems more going on than just Team Ninja if I'm reading this statement right.. almost reminds me of the Pro-Freerunning Exodus from ANW4... I've heard rumblings about a lot of the top people feeling screwed over considering how much money NBC makes from the show without giving back. Could be completely wrong though Also to add, I'm pretty pissed they changed the name and stuff. They are stripping away some of the unique and fun aspects of the show.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Oct 24, 2017 19:20:29 GMT -5
Sounds like a losing battle for Moravsky and Friends, but there might be hope. This show has created many jobs for these guys. I don't feel like Drew or any of the lesser knowns have any room to complain, unless some absolutely heinous actions are happening on NBC's part behind the scenes. As for Joe, who doesn't live off running one of the many many many ninja gyms out there, I think all I can say is that this is the nature of the game he signed up for. You can sacrifice all your free time for a CHANCE to be the best (which he arguably is close to being) and MAYBE #1 on top of the tower for 1mil, but if you can't meet your end of the deal, the next guy below you will be more than happy enough to take your spotlight. The other funny thing though is that Joe is one of the few guys who raises the bar higher each year, and so without him they'll have to lower the difficulty. He made the show harder, meaning more time by others has to be devoted to it, and in return more and more people are gonna want compensation for their work. I think it's a viscious cycle, but this is coming from pure outside speculation. I hope to get in the scene next year in ANW10.
Is Joe irreplacable? Probably not. Jessie? That's where NBC's problem would lie I think. However, I think NBC might call their bluff... they already have, and I don't see Jessie "letting down her fans" for more than a year's time off because she's not getting money. I bet this ends with a very small amount of compensation by NBC.
This might not be about compensation at all, but what other political factors are there? How could it even be done? It couldn't be X comoetitor gets Y amount of money, because competitor Z will complain about his disparity compared to X and X might suck consecutively for some tournaments, and then is he not deserving of payment? That thread about money given out increments based of clear time/stage clears might be on these guys' minds.
Anyway watch this not be about money at all and I just rambled for no reason here.
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Post by Messup434 on Oct 24, 2017 19:34:38 GMT -5
In my opinion, if you quit your job or expect to make money from the show without winning, good luck. It's one thing for really good competitors to mold their whole life around it, but the lesser-knowns may just end up hurting themselves by doing that.
Joe seems to want attention on the subject and is purposely being vague. That shows he half just wants attention, which might be the last time he gets any if he pushes this "strike" too far.
I like Joe, but can be way to cocky for me to be too sad about his leaving.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2017 19:58:02 GMT -5
This particular section could be it's own thread TBH so I'll talk to the mods to see if this can be separated because honestly this whiffs of something much bigger. I say this because of what's been going on for a while now. Those of you who were not around for the first exodus might not recognize it but back around ANW4-5 when NBC reformed ANW into what it is today (I think it might have been right before A&Smith came around but definitely around the time Pilgrim was leaving), NBC rewrote the NDA to include penalties against competitors for working on projects that may (or may not) conflict with ANW/NBC. This caused a huge uproar because guys like Tempest Freerunning had contracts to work on different projects with just about every network on the planet (which included NBC's competitors) and at the time.. even Sasuke in Japan. You also had Hollywood actors that ended up leaving ANW because the NDA would jeopardize their careers (the actor who at the time was in the Lion, the Witch and the Wardrobe movies being one of them). NBC put some wording in to allow some people wiggle room but not much and as a results almost the entirety of Team Tempest and a lot of the professional stunt people and actors left the show. TBS went after them over the Sasuke language (I know.. I led the charge and after 2 years the NDA was rewritten with pressure from TBS and the then-head of Sasuke). A year ago the casting director's office walked out in protest after NBC (again) wanted to rework the core of the show and they last minute had to get a whole new casting office to pick the competitors (that was the year with no veterans). Many competitors noticed how political the show was getting behind the scenes and left when it was clear NBC was going for the reality show aspect of it. Just ask Geoff about that (or read the threads on it on this board).
Joe's issue with money is not new but it's never stopped him from competing before so I'm thinking it has to do with likeness disputes or forcing them to work for free on outside gigs like promotion. Dirty little secret is that no one is paid to go to these promotional tours to the Today show or Ellen or anything like that unless your name finishes with Iseman since he's literally the only one that has a contract that covers that kind of thing which is why he's the face of ANW. That's normal for shows like Survivor where you have 1 face and a revolving door of talent per season. They can control what he says and any other problems they have with the contestants can be edited out with a fresh batch coming in every season. ANW is weird because of it's set up of allowing previous competitors compete. Even in Survivor you don't have the season winners come back unless it's a special. ANW does this every season and as a result you get fan favorites, etc. that could demand more representation since the majority of viewers are not there for the schadenfreude but to cheer their favorites.
The fact that Jessie and Drew are also included in the conversation should prove telling that it's something in the new contract for this year. Remember the infamous "women's rule" where they only found out when they arrived on set to compete. I'm sure some got a whiff that something controversial was introduced in the new NDA (which is bound by law and carries a $1 million dollar fine if you are found in breach) and people are refusing to sign it. The fact that it is now in a newly branded show makes it seem that this is the new direction of the show and people are making decisions on how they are going to proceed from here on out. Just as we did several years ago.
Reminder - no one is indispensable and you can be replaced in a heartbeat. To think NBC has loyalty is a fool's errand. I commend people for trying to fight the system but there's a reason there's a phrase "don't quit your day job". Joe and Jessie are probably fine.. not sure how Drew will handle this if he's cut off. Either way I still commend them for trying to fight against them but just as Matty suggested I'm confident it will be a losing battle. NBC is not going to change - it's not in their nature.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Oct 24, 2017 20:37:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Brandon Douglas, Frosti Zernow, and Jake Smith were particularly adament about leaving during that time around ANW 4-5. They weren't as big of names compared to Drew etc., so it'll be interesting how this turns out. ANW was on the rise then also though and if I'm not mistaken it's plateauing at best now in ratings and may not want to take the chance of pissing people off, but alas I doubt NBC will budge. Contracts are rough
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Post by arsenette on Oct 24, 2017 21:06:34 GMT -5
Yeah, Brandon Douglas, Frosti Zernow, and Jake Smith were particularly adament about leaving during that time around ANW 4-5. They weren't as big of names compared to Drew etc., so it'll be interesting how this turns out. ANW was on the rise then also though and if I'm not mistaken it's plateauing at best now in ratings and may not want to take the chance of pissing people off, but alas I doubt NBC will budge. Contracts are rough ANW is actually going down. They only were 1st I think twice this whole season? They are expanding too fast.. and renaming Season 3 of Team Ninja makes it look.. weird.. I know they are going further and further away from Sasuke. Just reading their last interview alone made me realize how far away from Sasuke it is and there is no turning back. They are solidifying their position and not turning back. If anything.. this stunt will purge any future opposition to it's new format and just raise a new generation oblivious to what came before. It's already happened so far so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this is the last of what we knew ANW was. Again, they won't miss them - the hardcore already left the show.
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Post by Philip on Oct 24, 2017 23:21:00 GMT -5
Yeah, Brandon Douglas, Frosti Zernow, and Jake Smith were particularly adament about leaving during that time around ANW 4-5. They weren't as big of names compared to Drew etc., so it'll be interesting how this turns out. ANW was on the rise then also though and if I'm not mistaken it's plateauing at best now in ratings and may not want to take the chance of pissing people off, but alas I doubt NBC will budge. Contracts are rough ANW is actually going down. They only were 1st I think twice this whole season? They are expanding too fast.. and renaming Season 3 of Team Ninja makes it look.. weird.. I know they are going further and further away from Sasuke. Just reading their last interview alone made me realize how far away from Sasuke it is and there is no turning back. They are solidifying their position and not turning back. If anything.. this stunt will purge any future opposition to it's new format and just raise a new generation oblivious to what came before. It's already happened so far so it's not out of the realm of possibility that this is the last of what we knew ANW was. Again, they won't miss them - the hardcore already left the show. Regardless of my complaints, I'm still applying for ANW 10 because where the f*** else can I go lol. It's not like Sasuke will welcome me with open arms LOL. Might as well chase my dream in some capacity. tbh though NNL is my big focus.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Oct 24, 2017 23:22:07 GMT -5
Something of note besides potential contract changes, this is an event that spans days even if you arrive on day one and leave last day, remember this is a side show built on these big names and not everyone, considering minus prizes theres no real pay for doing TNW/NvN, the big names are making more doing appearances and being gym owners than doing this side show (I mean that in the literal sense of being on the side but anything NBC touches is a sideshow in the other sense) could potentially make them. I'm not confirming rumors or sharing sources but yeah something to think about... FOR FUCKS SAKE IT'S BEING TAPED AT NIGHT. f*** I'm sure competitors hate the all nighters, but I completely understand the decision, hell as a viewer the glare and lighting in TNW is very distracting, if it's moving to NBC I agree trying to make it look professional rather than bush league (even if the smaller "smarkier" setting is the appeal to us)
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Post by arsenette on Oct 25, 2017 0:41:46 GMT -5
Joe changing his post smells of NBC telling him to STFU since he's still under NDA for 2 years..
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Post by TCM on Oct 25, 2017 11:01:08 GMT -5
Sorry for how long it took to make a new thread -- but clearly I agree.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 25, 2017 12:18:56 GMT -5
Sorry for how long it took to make a new thread -- but clearly I agree. No worries! Thanks for doing so. I suspect this will have lasting implications so I figured it would be a topic of discussion worth having in the open rather than in the middle of a 3rd season discussion.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 28, 2017 15:58:00 GMT -5
Has anything else come of this?
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Post by danielnc on Oct 28, 2017 16:01:43 GMT -5
Has anything else come of this? Joe edited his Facebook to add "EDIT: It was a choice I made and I will have more information for you once I figure out how to word it properly"
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Post by arsenette on Oct 28, 2017 17:56:25 GMT -5
Has anything else come of this? Joe edited his Facebook to add "EDIT: It was a choice I made and I will have more information for you once I figure out how to word it properly" Yeah we discussed that when I mentioned he probably got yelled at by NBC. I meant after that. I'm assuming not yet.
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Post by danielnc on Oct 28, 2017 18:07:52 GMT -5
Joe edited his Facebook to add "EDIT: It was a choice I made and I will have more information for you once I figure out how to word it properly" Yeah we discussed that when I mentioned he probably got yelled at by NBC. I meant after that. I'm assuming not yet. Nothing else yet - not really. He did post this on Twitter: He hasn't posted anything on Instagram during this time period - at any rate, on his own account. He did post a selfie with the mustache ninja on Drew's account; apparently Drew left his account open and phone unlocked. (Or maybe it's a subtle show of solidarity. But I'm inclined to the simpler explanation.)
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