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Post by Philip on Oct 11, 2017 19:08:20 GMT -5
Am I the only one that thinks that the 1st and 2nd stages are too easy, and the fact only a quarter of the competitors are capable of beating S1 makes the whole thing look bad? The ratings are s*** anyways, have a whole lineup of people with ACTUAL MERIT.
Just saying, if the Vegas lineup did the 34 course, the results would be somewhere along the lines of 75 stage 1 clears and 50 stage 2 clears.
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Post by arsenette on Oct 11, 2017 21:36:57 GMT -5
Bigger sadness is that we have likely seen the end of Wreathman. Unless they accept a "he didn't know better" attitude, his KuroOvi appearance likely will get him uninvited for 35. To be fair.. he doesn't care. He has little patience for political crap. Considering he didn't grow up watching Sasuke (hell he got to the 3rd stage of a show he never watched up to that point LOL) it's not like it would be a big loss to him in the end. Oh and Philip I want the whole course to be blown apart and start over but yeah.. one of the many reasons why I don't support this show anymore in addition to the stupid politics and the stupid editing. |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Oct 11, 2017 23:24:45 GMT -5
It is pretty strange how similar the course is now to how it was in 31, where the most recent Kanzenseiha occurred, other than Stage 4.
Things are just so different now. I remember how easy it was to remember competitors' results up until Sasuke 32 onwards. Since 32 most runs have just gone past me without me registering them. I struggle to remember how the New Stars (if that's even a thing anymore) did in those tournaments. Tournaments 18-24 were techinically all in the same era with similar courses each time, yet I could differentiate each tournament easily. Tournaments 22-24 were quite similar as far as results go, yet each one still felt unique. 32, 33 and 34 each feel like the same tournament with very few moments to distinguish between them.
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Post by roy on Oct 12, 2017 1:44:29 GMT -5
I'm also getting a little tired of watching the same obstacles and honestly the 1st and 2nd stages don't look tough to me either anymore. I know pretty much all the big competitors put in major work after 33 and the results and clear times reflect that. But that means the show needs to increase the difficulty because everyone has leveled up and is also familiar with the obstacles. Hioki, who traditionally clears with a few seconds had a personal best and looked more explosive than ever in stage 2. Drew finished with 38 seconds and then Morimoto basically took a power walk for his run.
In hindsight, although I enjoyed the broadcast very much, it was a bit like Sasuke 30 which was the CCH vs the world. If the tournament has an easy first two stages and comes down to the UCCH again, it's going to get old fast. Is the budget the reason they haven't revamped the course? It doesn't need a complete overhaul imo, there's still some tough obstacles in stages 1 and 2. There's also probably safety restrictions as well as M9 era stuff being less than ok to use, right? In any case, just add or replace some current obstacle(s) in those stages with 1 or 2 tougher ones. It shouldn't be that big a deal to change it up.
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Post by nekomi3 on Oct 12, 2017 3:13:27 GMT -5
I know this won’t happen but... REMOVE BACKSTREAM
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Post by turboextremist on Oct 12, 2017 6:51:14 GMT -5
IMO, this was the best tournament in years. I get what people say about samey editing, but the overall production was a lot better this time. The obstacles were neither industrial nor garish. The lighting had better coverage, fewer strong shadows. New camera angles. More flamethrowers on Stage 2. ^_^ No buggy/unfair obstacles. And like was mentioned earlier, more footage from the sidelines, which really strengthened the show's human aspect.
Even without Jessie, the high clear rates and strong Stage 3 showings really helped keep my attention. This, IMO, is a good argument for NOT overhauling the course. Once 35+ get into Stage 2 and 15+ into Stage 3, then we'll talk.
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Post by defaro on Oct 12, 2017 7:43:57 GMT -5
Stage 2 should heavily modified next year, stage 2 needs to get harder , but stage 3 needs to get easier(maybe remove the flying bars or add a resting bar between ucch and vertical limit)
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Post by Philip on Oct 12, 2017 9:18:04 GMT -5
Bigger sadness is that we have likely seen the end of Wreathman. Unless they accept a "he didn't know better" attitude, his KuroOvi appearance likely will get him uninvited for 35. To be fair.. he doesn't care. He has little patience for political crap. Considering he didn't grow up watching Sasuke (hell he got to the 3rd stage of a show he never watched up to that point LOL) it's not like it would be a big loss to him in the end. Wreath Man for NNL!!!! EDIT: What he thinks of the politics  |
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Post by SRW on Oct 12, 2017 10:56:23 GMT -5
After 31 32 should really have been a 18 type renewal only things renewed are the cliffhanger and vertical limit merged beautiully into a monster 2 parter and the final stage is new everything else there is nothing.
Has to be budget reasons surely?
Yusuke is going to beat this again sooner than later.
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Post by SuperTiger on Oct 12, 2017 11:15:27 GMT -5
I personally don't mind the course setup. Don't get me wrong, there are a ton of obstacles I don't care for, but from a difficulty perspective I think it's fine. Each stage is progressively harder than the last which is how it's supposed to be. For years leading up to the reboot stage 2 was a joke, and maybe one or two people would fail it per tournament if they weren't cautious. Now stage 2 is actually a threat and takes out a lot of competitors. If anything they should make stage 1 either harder, or shorten it significantly so we can see more people attempting it. If they were to nix a good chunk of time consuming obstacles without getting too creative, I think the easiest ways to do that would be to remove the Quad Steps and Tackle. Then maybe make the Warped Wall a little taller to compensate for lack of a Tackle, or provide a very short run up.
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Post by DonalM on Oct 12, 2017 18:13:02 GMT -5
After 31 32 should really have been a 18 type renewal only things renewed are the cliffhanger and vertical limit merged beautiully into a monster 2 parter and the final stage is new everything else there is nothing. Has to be budget reasons surely? Yusuke is going to beat this again sooner than later. Not that 3rd stage-its unbeatable. But it shouldn't be. Knowing there won't be a final stage makes the 3rd stage boring. What they need to do is increase the difficulty slightly from 31, but change the concept of the course completely. Make it more about technique. Once you've reached a certain difficulty level, the only way to make the course harder is to change the obstacle concepts. This automatically makes the course more challenging, but also keeps it doable. |
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Post by blah123 on Oct 16, 2017 19:51:43 GMT -5
I'm calling it right now - this UCCH+VLK is unbeatable.
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Post by SRW on Oct 17, 2017 15:30:38 GMT -5
I'll play devils advocate here I think the UCCH and VLK combo is actually perfectly doable I seriously reckon Yusuke will clear it if he attempts it again! I stand by it strongly too but the problem there is though is that in all honesty save for perhaps Ryo or Tomo at a push he is the ONLY PERSON I actually see doing it.
Now say in 35 he fails it in the same spot or earlier then there might be cause for concern.
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Post by nekomi3 on Oct 17, 2017 17:28:52 GMT -5
I did think about how to even reach the end of the VLKK You need to hang on a replica of it and moving for at least 2 minutes. If you can then you have 50/50 chance of reaching the end... but you know, a lot of obstacles before it so... Seriously the rate of clearing is... 0%  |
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Post by yamfriend on Oct 17, 2017 23:07:35 GMT -5
Quite honestly the only person I see currently being able to clear the UCCH+VLK combo is FINCLI No. 3 (not Miska, this guy), and that's assuming he'd even be able to get on SASUKE and get that far in the course. After seeing how much Morimoto struggled on the combo, IMO that's enough to show that the combo itself needs to be made easier, whether it be having a break between the UCCH and VLK, making one/both of the obstacles be made less difficult, or a combination of the two. Stage 3 should certainly be made difficult, but not to the point where it's virtually impossible for almost everyone. That's what I don't like about recent versions of the Third Stage---in order to pass it, having UNCLI-level Cliffhanger/Vertical Limit abilities is absolutely necessary to have any feasible chance of passing it, and even then there's no guarantee. That's what was great about pre-Shin-SASUKE tournaments, where the challenge of Stage 3 was having the stamina to beat every obstacle in succession and with each one posing some threat. Sure, the Cliffhanger was arguably the biggest challenge of the stage in past tournaments, but it wasn't the hyperfocus like it is now. Tl;dr---UCCH+VLK=too tough, please nerf Inui. Seriously though, we need more than 0 people to have a chance at the Final Stage in 35. |
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Post by SRW on Oct 18, 2017 6:23:34 GMT -5
Leave it be in 35 see if Morimoto or whoever can finally nail it if they can't then 36 put a rest between them.
Toning Stage 3 down annoys me it annoyed me in 27 after the beauty what was 25 and 26 3rd stage!
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Post by Zach Smith on Oct 18, 2017 7:14:08 GMT -5
am I the only one that HATED this tourney?There was way too much clears on stage 1 AND 2,they kept the 3rd stage 99.99% unbeatable,and the editing was awful.
(I feel like how most of you did after 32 lol)
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Post by SRW on Oct 18, 2017 8:12:32 GMT -5
am I the only one that HATED this tourney?There was way too much clears on stage 1 AND 2,they kept the 3rd stage 99.99% unbeatable,and the editing was awful. (I feel like how most of you did after 32 lol) It's probably why they didnt mind loads of people clearing Stages 1 and 2 as Inui and co were pretty certain Stage 3 was game over no matter how many got there lol. |
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Post by yamfriend on Oct 18, 2017 15:19:35 GMT -5
Leave it be in 35 see if Morimoto or whoever can finally nail it if they can't then 36 put a rest between them. Toning Stage 3 down annoys me it annoyed me in 27 after the beauty what was 25 and 26 3rd stage! To be fair, they also toned down Stage 3 in 16/17 after 14/15, so it's not a new concept. Same thing applied to Stage 1 being slightly toned down after 19. As long as it's not too major of a decrease, I don't see the problem with making the course a little bit more doable such that there's actually a chance for better results (which in effect may make the tournament/ratings a bit better IMO). |
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Post by SRW on Oct 18, 2017 18:46:54 GMT -5
Leave it be in 35 see if Morimoto or whoever can finally nail it if they can't then 36 put a rest between them. Toning Stage 3 down annoys me it annoyed me in 27 after the beauty what was 25 and 26 3rd stage! To be fair, they also toned down Stage 3 in 16/17 after 14/15, so it's not a new concept. Same thing applied to Stage 1 being slightly toned down after 19. As long as it's not too major of a decrease, I don't see the problem with making the course a little bit more doable such that there's actually a chance for better results (which in effect may make the tournament/ratings a bit better IMO). True but 16/17 was no where near as drastic as 27 to 25/26 mate. |
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