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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 15, 2017 16:42:58 GMT -5
I think I see where the confusion came in, I wasn't referring to esquire being dropped, I'm talking about all of the time between the end of ANW3/Sasuke 27 up to when Esquire purchased the Sasuke Rising footage, this explains where all this confusion is, we were talking two completely different points of time. And I never even brought up the subject of the international spinoffs by ATS, I was referring to the UK and Mexico airings of Sasuke Rising and the speculation of the possibility some of those other countries that used to buy G4 footage and dub them MIGHT have bought the UK edit. But that explains this whole argument, talking about two completely different things Yeah this is why most people aren't grasping what is actually going on. They see that NBC is going to save everything when in fact they are the cause of exclusion here in the USA. So given that NBC hasn't bought the license but another company tangentially connected to ANW, the fact that this same company may be going out of business is of huge importance. This is 2011 all over again. As for "bought" Sasuke 31's license.. they didn't. They only asked if they could use clips and they agreed. No money was exchanged and no other footage was bought by NBC. They were caught stealing footage the previous tournament and wanted to make sure they didn't get caught again. That is vastly different than buying the license to show 3 seconds of footage for their show. Remember again that they then dropped Japan from the vs. World line up because they didn't need them anymore. Well, I can see how my comment might have been misread as implying they "saved" it, but the situation would be a lot worse if they were out of the picture after G4 died because the situation with TBS would have been even more dire with less demand and 0 money flowing in Also welp in regards to the 31 thing, when I heard they legally obtained the footage I didn't expect TBS to give it to them for free. |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 15, 2017 17:51:56 GMT -5
Yeah this is why most people aren't grasping what is actually going on. They see that NBC is going to save everything when in fact they are the cause of exclusion here in the USA. So given that NBC hasn't bought the license but another company tangentially connected to ANW, the fact that this same company may be going out of business is of huge importance. This is 2011 all over again. As for "bought" Sasuke 31's license.. they didn't. They only asked if they could use clips and they agreed. No money was exchanged and no other footage was bought by NBC. They were caught stealing footage the previous tournament and wanted to make sure they didn't get caught again. That is vastly different than buying the license to show 3 seconds of footage for their show. Remember again that they then dropped Japan from the vs. World line up because they didn't need them anymore. Well, I can see how my comment might have been misread as implying they "saved" it, but the situation would be a lot worse if they were out of the picture after G4 died because the situation with TBS would have been even more dire with less demand and 0 money flowing in Also welp in regards to the 31 thing, when I heard they legally obtained the footage I didn't expect TBS to give it to them for free. They did have zero money coming in to Sasuke. What TBS makes is TBS' money as a company. None was sectioned off for Sasuke which is why we got the courses looking like they were duct taped together and 31 wasn't a renewal because they literally had their previously half budget cut even further by another half. One could argue the stupidity of not giving Sasuke money back to Sasuke, however, it hasn't been sold worldwide in a few years and they haven't made money domestically so there was nothing that they earned. Any money "made" was made by ANW and TBS since those are the licenses that were used and not Sasuke. I can see why people are confused but this has been like this since G4TV went down. Monster 9 is not the one controlling the money flow.. TBS is and they have Sasuke off in a little corner and using revenue that they get to invest in the other dumpster fires they have on the network as a whole. An equivalent would be NBC (corporate) spreading money that ANW did for their other prime time line ups without giving it back ANW/ATS/A&Smith Corp. Yeah.. the footage was a courtesy since they are technically sister companies. They wouldn't have found out if it wasn't for us btw.. which I find hilarious.. TBS did not. LOL |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 15, 2017 18:20:52 GMT -5
Well, I can see how my comment might have been misread as implying they "saved" it, but the situation would be a lot worse if they were out of the picture after G4 died because the situation with TBS would have been even more dire with less demand and 0 money flowing in Also welp in regards to the 31 thing, when I heard they legally obtained the footage I didn't expect TBS to give it to them for free. They did have zero money coming in to Sasuke. What TBS makes is TBS' money as a company. None was sectioned off for Sasuke which is why we got the courses looking like they were duct taped together and 31 wasn't a renewal because they literally had their previously half budget cut even further by another half. One could argue the stupidity of not giving Sasuke money back to Sasuke, however, it hasn't been sold worldwide in a few years and they haven't made money domestically so there was nothing that they earned. Any money "made" was made by ANW and TBS since those are the licenses that were used and not Sasuke. I can see why people are confused but this has been like this since G4TV went down. Monster 9 is not the one controlling the money flow.. TBS is and they have Sasuke off in a little corner and using revenue that they get to invest in the other dumpster fires they have on the network as a whole. An equivalent would be NBC (corporate) spreading money that ANW did for their other prime time line ups without giving it back ANW/ATS/A&Smith Corp. Yeah.. the footage was a courtesy since they are technically sister companies. They wouldn't have found out if it wasn't for us btw.. which I find hilarious.. TBS did not. LOL Welp, I would have thought they would have directed SOME of that format licensing money into Sasuke, I guess TBS is run even worse than I thought... Well at least it let them know there was enough demand in the franchise to keep it alive even if barely. And yeah I remember how we noticed NBC used OUR rip of 28 LOL , They really shouldn't be pirating for a project like that but I would think they'd at least be smart enough to use the HD version and not the first copy to come out. |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 15, 2017 18:43:11 GMT -5
They did have zero money coming in to Sasuke. What TBS makes is TBS' money as a company. None was sectioned off for Sasuke which is why we got the courses looking like they were duct taped together and 31 wasn't a renewal because they literally had their previously half budget cut even further by another half. One could argue the stupidity of not giving Sasuke money back to Sasuke, however, it hasn't been sold worldwide in a few years and they haven't made money domestically so there was nothing that they earned. Any money "made" was made by ANW and TBS since those are the licenses that were used and not Sasuke. I can see why people are confused but this has been like this since G4TV went down. Monster 9 is not the one controlling the money flow.. TBS is and they have Sasuke off in a little corner and using revenue that they get to invest in the other dumpster fires they have on the network as a whole. An equivalent would be NBC (corporate) spreading money that ANW did for their other prime time line ups without giving it back ANW/ATS/A&Smith Corp. Yeah.. the footage was a courtesy since they are technically sister companies. They wouldn't have found out if it wasn't for us btw.. which I find hilarious.. TBS did not. LOL Welp, I would have thought they would have directed SOME of that format licensing money into Sasuke, I guess TBS is run even worse than I thought... Well at least it let them know there was enough demand in the franchise to keep it alive even if barely. And yeah I remember how we noticed NBC used OUR rip of 28 LOL , They really shouldn't be pirating for a project like that but I would think they'd at least be smart enough to use the HD version and not the first copy to come out. TBH A lot of large corporations do that. Hell.. NBC does that! They are allotted a budget and that's it. They don't get residuals or anything like that unless it's part of their individual contract (i.e. Matt & Akbar since they are hired talent with their own agents). Things work similarly in Japan but the scale of the money is vastly smaller. Remember that TBS is running financially in the red so anything coming in will be distributed to save the company as a whole. I don't agree with them siphoning any proceeds to save other shows that didn't earn it, however I can't exactly blame TBS from trying to do what they can to stop the bleeding. I know this current money coming in DOES impact Sasuke (this tournament coming out this quickly and Kunoichi coming back) but all of that is being reinvested to get new shows out before the money runs out again. Again, it's like 2010 all over again. I'm just hoping it doesn't mean they are both going down in a huge dumpster fire like it did before. It's worth watching what happens to Esquire since right now.. they are our only hope to get Sasuke back here on USA television. As of now, it hasn't and that scares me. |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 18, 2017 17:39:26 GMT -5
And.. it happened. Esquire is leaving Cable. Seems they are going to try for all digital instead since they got cut out of cable television. Layoffs Coming to Esquire Network in Shift to Digital - The WrapNBCUniversal to Shut Down Esquire Network Cable Channel, Relaunch Brand as Digital Platform (EXCLUSIVE) - VarietyEsquire Network Cable Channel to Shutter, Will Relaunch as Digital Brand - The Hollywood Reporter |
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Post by Klorel439 on Jan 18, 2017 17:45:29 GMT -5
And.. it happened. Esquire is leaving Cable. Seems they are going to try for all digital instead since they got cut out of cable television. Layoffs Coming to Esquire Network in Shift to Digital - The WrapNBCUniversal to Shut Down Esquire Network Cable Channel, Relaunch Brand as Digital Platform (EXCLUSIVE) - VarietyEsquire Network Cable Channel to Shutter, Will Relaunch as Digital Brand - The Hollywood ReporterYeah, I highly doubt an all digital approach will work. |
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Post by BobbyG11 on Jan 18, 2017 17:56:05 GMT -5
Just read the Variety article. Reportedly they are going to stay on-air through the summer. I imagine they will hype the digital platform all spring during Team Ninja and summer re-runs of ANW. Gives them some time to figure out what to do with ANW spin-offs, Sasuke, etc.
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Post by arsenette on Jan 18, 2017 19:54:11 GMT -5
Just read the Variety article. Reportedly they are going to stay on-air through the summer. I imagine they will hype the digital platform all spring during Team Ninja and summer re-runs of ANW. Gives them some time to figure out what to do with ANW spin-offs, Sasuke, etc. Considering that only 40 million are left.. and if charter goes that will leave only 25 million households.. really no one else will be watching. The layoffs alone are an indication how much effort they will put in getting anything new in the channel. I'm frustrated since the Sasuke return is already doomed. Who is going to edit this if the main team is already fired? |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jan 18, 2017 22:14:44 GMT -5
I'm assuming to keep the esquire license and how NBC is doing as a whole they're probably going for a payed service, with the competition that's out there in that department I'm not expecting that to last too long...
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Post by arsenette on Jan 19, 2017 6:19:07 GMT -5
I'm assuming to keep the esquire license and how NBC is doing as a whole they're probably going for a payed service, with the competition that's out there in that department I'm not expecting that to last too long... We are also about to find out how solid the contract with Esquire is. Remember, Esquire is half owned by someone else and they negotiate ongoing contracts with Hearst Media for that partnership to carry NBC stuff on their network. Will be interesting given that Esquire is leaving Cable if NBCUniversal will agree to keep the partnership. So far everything I'm reading is saying otherwise. If they do end up breaking with NBCUniversal to be their own channel online, what will happen to the Esquire co-owned stuff like Team Ninja Warrior and Ninja Warrior Japan? |
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Post by arsenette on Jan 30, 2017 4:02:26 GMT -5
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 7, 2017 11:53:08 GMT -5
For what it's worth some of the shows may be moving to other NBCUniversal networks (don't hold your breath though), after RAW last night one of Esquire's show's "Friday Night Tykes" or whatever that kids football show was called aired on USA Network directly after RAW, the odd thing is during RAW they had played the Esquire Network commercial for the show which still referenced the Esquire Network on it.
What this means for the future of Sasuke and Team Ninja Warrior? No clue... But worth noting as it may give a clue in regards to the situation.
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Post by arsenette on Feb 7, 2017 11:55:53 GMT -5
For what it's worth some of the shows may be moving to other NBCUniversal networks (don't hold your breath though), after RAW last night one of Esquire's show's "Friday Night Tykes" or whatever that kids football show was called aired on USA Network directly after RAW, the odd thing is during RAW they had played the Esquire Network commercial for the show which still referenced the Esquire Network on it. What this means for the future of Sasuke and Team Ninja Warrior? No clue... But worth noting as it may give a clue in regards to the situation. Thanks! That is news! It would benefit NBC to hang on to Ninja Warrior spin offs (like Team Ninja Warrior) so hopefully that also translates to Ninja Warrior. Do you remember what channel that was? |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 7, 2017 12:24:10 GMT -5
For what it's worth some of the shows may be moving to other NBCUniversal networks (don't hold your breath though), after RAW last night one of Esquire's show's "Friday Night Tykes" or whatever that kids football show was called aired on USA Network directly after RAW, the odd thing is during RAW they had played the Esquire Network commercial for the show which still referenced the Esquire Network on it. What this means for the future of Sasuke and Team Ninja Warrior? No clue... But worth noting as it may give a clue in regards to the situation. Thanks! That is news! It would benefit NBC to hang on to Ninja Warrior spin offs (like Team Ninja Warrior) so hopefully that also translates to Ninja Warrior. Do you remember what channel that was? I mentioned in my post it was USA Network, which is also the home of WWE's shows and I mentioned I was watching Monday Night RAW. But you're right I did only mention it once in the whole post so missing it is understandable. |
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Post by arsenette on Feb 7, 2017 12:47:26 GMT -5
Thanks! That is news! It would benefit NBC to hang on to Ninja Warrior spin offs (like Team Ninja Warrior) so hopefully that also translates to Ninja Warrior. Do you remember what channel that was? I mentioned in my post it was USA Network, which is also the home of WWE's shows and I mentioned I was watching Monday Night RAW. But you're right I did only mention it once in the whole post so missing it is understandable. Ah I expected a snarky comment. You didn't disappoint.  You mentioned the possibility of it moving to other networks owned by NBC Universal given that 1 example. I was curious if it could happen with other shows other than that Tykes thing given your theory. TBH I don't watch anything from Esquire other than Team Ninja. |
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Post by RiderLeangle on Feb 7, 2017 13:52:57 GMT -5
I mentioned in my post it was USA Network, which is also the home of WWE's shows and I mentioned I was watching Monday Night RAW. But you're right I did only mention it once in the whole post so missing it is understandable. Ah I expected a snarky comment. You didn't disappoint. You mentioned the possibility of it moving to other networks owned by NBC Universal given that 1 example. I was curious if it could happen with other shows other than that Tykes thing given your theory. TBH I don't watch anything from Esquire other than Team Ninja. Yeah I didn't watch any Esquire shows besides NW stuff either (hell didn't even get the channel), had it not been for the commercial during RAW mentioning Esquire network I probably wouldn't have even noticed that was an Esquire Network show. I'm also reminded of that time when G4 was in limbo when DirecTV dropped them (I think that was the timing? I may be completely off...) and they did an ANW2 marathon on SyFy, so it's not an unheard of situation, really curious to see the fate of the NW content, especially after seeing that they've attempted to move an Esquire show (even as a one off, I don't know, this was the first week of it and I changed the channel after RAW ). |
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Post by TCM on Feb 7, 2017 21:50:51 GMT -5
Esquire had niche programs that made them a discount Spike TV of sorts.
Their biggest original program outside of TNW would be Knife Fight, an underground cookoff that would take place at restaurants after hours.
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Post by Al Bundy on Feb 16, 2017 12:54:14 GMT -5
The official Ninja Warrior page on Facebook hasn't posted anything in 3 weeks, which is unusual.
Do you think (or know) if this means anything and is connected to the Esquire thing, or is it just because there's not much going on right now and thus doesn't mean anything?
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Post by arsenette on Feb 16, 2017 13:06:17 GMT -5
The official Ninja Warrior page on Facebook hasn't posted anything in 3 weeks, which is unusual. Do you think (or know) if this means anything and is connected to the Esquire thing, or is it just because there's not much going on right now and thus doesn't mean anything? Interns are usually assigned to Social media. They are notorious for not promoting their stuff. If nothing is posted by the All-Star special then be concerned, otherwise don't worry much about it. |
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Post by Al Bundy on Feb 16, 2017 15:37:47 GMT -5
They are notorious for not promoting their stuff. Really? They were promoting TNW Season 2 all the time in Dec and Jan |
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You mentioned the possibility of it moving to other networks owned by NBC Universal given that 1 example. I was curious if it could happen with other shows other than that Tykes thing given your theory. TBH I don't watch anything from Esquire other than Team Ninja.
