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Post by blah123 on Jun 2, 2016 19:28:13 GMT -5
This article so incredibly sums up my feelings toward NBC and their portrayal of ANW, that I just had to make a post linking to it: www.rochesterparkour.com/2016/06/01/the-relationship-between-parkour-gyms-and-american-ninja-warrior-also-why-i-hate-anw/Definitely worth a read. The key takeaway is that, although NBC is full of BS in more ways to count, there is a correlation between the airing of ANW and ANW-consumers searching for training gyms, and therefore leading a more healthy lifestyle. At least that's my interpretation. The article's author also mentions a love/hate relationship with ANW. I can definitely relate, in that... I LOVE ANW because - I like Sasuke and therefore am naturally drawn towards ANW
- I like training for Sasuke/ANW, not because I want to be on the show (again), but because it's fun and a great way to stay in shape
- ANW seems to promote and inspire a healthy lifestyle, which America needs more of these days
- The competitors that I've met are generally really cool, genuine people, and I like rooting for them
I HATE ANW because (most of which has been mentioned in several other places on these forums) - The fake crowd cheers they dub in (seriously, why aren't people on here complaining about that more!?!?)
- All the fluff
- Their selection/casting process
- The way they censor stuff and make sh*t up
- Etc.
The vibe I get from other forum-goers throughout the years has been something similar -- We wish ANW could be as awesome as Sasuke, but it's not. And it never will be. Nonetheless, I'm glad ANW is successful, and I think that generally it does more good than bad, which is why I still consume it and follow these forums and what not. Thoughts?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 3:43:25 GMT -5
Very well written mate. I myself happen to have not only a love/hate relationship with ANW but I also have one with SASUKE too, because of how they promote the show and other stuff.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2016 4:49:52 GMT -5
It was a very interesting read from a completely different point of view - the Parkour crowd. I saw the phase-out trend back when NBC took over around ANW4 and it quickly spread. They lost most of the Freerunning gyms (almost all of Tempest by this point) that first made ANW what it was. Elet's story in the article is not at all surprising. ANW will do anything to move the story they want. Hell TBS does the same thing.. how many people believe that Nagano story where he was Yamada's protege? Yeah.. NBC though has more opportunities with the way the release schedule is with it being on TV with new episodes for 3 months straight (as opposed to 1 night every year) so more of this happens and to more people along the regional route + Vegas. Seems now the new "in" crowd are rock climbers.. until they find a new vogue group. Welcome to Television. I do agree big time with one phase of the article.. Ninja Warrior is not a sport and I'm happy more people realize it isn't.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 5:00:38 GMT -5
The ANW breakaway story reminds me of the Split in Darts (when players formed the PDC as a breakaway organisation from the BDO because they weren't getting enough money and TV time.) Think of the BDO being SASUKE and the PDC being ANW. You can read more about it here: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Split_in_darts
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 3, 2016 5:52:51 GMT -5
It seems to me that liking ANW, at least in part, corresponds to ignorance on NBCs forgeries, lies and personal lack of knowledge about Sasuke. This, of course, is not a golden rule as there are many people that like both.
On facebook, you see that the average, casual viewers LOVE ANW. They can sit down, watch it, eat up everything NBC says in blissful ignorance, unaware that anything wrong is being done. And that is fine. They can enjoy the loud, excitable commentary. They can enjoy the difficult, colourful obstacles. They can be immersed in the backstories spewed at them every five seconds. They are how NBC intends for the show to be watched.
Then you have those more knowledgeable, who know about Sasuke and past accomplishments of competitors, who now about the early years of ANC and ANW, but who still watch the show. This is the category I fall into. I can still enjoy the show, but I have built up a resistance to NBCs maniuplations. Every time they omit a past result, every time they sidestep Sasuke, everytime they plug Kacy or do something stupid, we are able to pick up on it, and it rightfully irks us. Our enjoyement of the show, while still present, is dampened by issues (mostly) only we can pick up on.
Case in point: USA VS The World 1. To ordinary people, this event was awesome! It was an international competition, they could be spoon fed watered down, incorrect information from NBC about those exotic "foreigners", it showcased tons of amazing runs, it had the final stage, and no-one was any the wiser. But from the perspective of someone who knew about the treatment of team Japan, the forgeries, the confused nationalities of team Europe, and most importantly: the rigging, the event was an infuriating, broken, cheap mess made by NBC simply to humiliate the Japanese. Knowledge was the make or break factor of that special.
Different people react to these problems in different ways. The final group are those that have seen Sasuke, and who simply enjoy their format more, or who see those issues that are minor inconveniences to others, but simply cannot get past them themselves. That too, is okay, and the group that people like Arsenette fall into.
Your enjoyment of ANW often rests on how well you can activate your suspension of disbelief, desensitise yourself to the layer of BS courtesy of NBC, and simply enjoy the main event: ordinary people taking on obstacles. I'm not saying ANW doesn't do certain things independent from the Sasuke format, or that it doesn't have any merits of its own, simply that there is a correlation between knowledge of ninja-history and decreased enjoyment of ANW.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 6:13:57 GMT -5
The only reason why I watch ANW is for the action. That's what Ninja Warrior is all about, right? I don't give a crap about the stupid stuff NBC does to the show e.g. unnecessary fluff pieces, mentioning Kacy all the time and their terrible editing. I just want to see these "awesome" athletes inspire us fans of the franchise in general.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2016 6:15:36 GMT -5
That goes with everything honestly. My involvement in organized Olympic Sport has tainted me forever. Everything that has a price tag or reward in some way will have polarizing opinions in it. Add TV and that's an element altogether different. I never go by Facebook as it's been obvious in the past that it is heavily edited against anything remotely negative. Case in point with the whole Isaac/Geoff fiasco from last year there were several posts that were upvoted 2k+ each and all of those have been stricken from the record. It was so bad at one point they shut down comments. Now that the new season has started it will do that again. It's part of the myth to keep any opposing view. That's the nature of it sadly. Here at least on SMF opposing views can be discussed without fear of censorship. At least that's the hope we strive for here on SMF despite many wanting us to go away. The article was really good in explaining the love/hate part of it. They want to enjoy it but many outside factors contribute to making them hate it. The longer someone is in it the more flaws you see. The same can be said about Sasuke. Everything loses it's shine after a while - especially when money and television are involved.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 3, 2016 6:24:38 GMT -5
That goes with everything honestly. My involvement in organized Olympic Sport has tainted me forever. Everything that has a price tag or reward in some way will have polarizing opinions in it. Add TV and that's an element altogether different. I never go by Facebook as it's been obvious in the past that it is heavily edited against anything remotely negative. Case in point with the whole Isaac/Geoff fiasco from last year there were several posts that were upvoted 2k+ each and all of those have been stricken from the record. It was so bad at one point they shut down comments. Now that the new season has started it will do that again. It's part of the myth to keep any opposing view. That's the nature of it sadly. Here at least on SMF opposing views can be discussed without fear of censorship. At least that's the hope we strive for here on SMF despite many wanting us to go away. The article was really good in explaining the love/hate part of it. They want to enjoy it but many outside factors contribute to making them hate it. The longer someone is in it the more flaws you see. The same can be said about Sasuke. Everything loses it's shine after a while - especially when money and television are involved. Exactly. You can allow yourself to be blinded by NBC's artificial "shine", you can shut your eyes to drown it out, but still stay in its presence, or you can walk away entirely.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2016 6:30:47 GMT -5
Many I've noticed (like in the article) change perspective when directly affected by the NBC machine. Elet's story sadly is more common than not these days. This was just the first story (in a while) that focused from a completely different angle and I appreciated the perspective. Sadly this is the 2nd wave and not the first. I think probably because whoever wrote the article came in after the ANW boom and not right at the beginning. Most who were there from the beginning (like all of Team Tempest especially Levi) all dealt with it and walked away much much earlier.
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Post by gt4dom on Jun 3, 2016 10:15:02 GMT -5
I Love that ANW has given the exposure the OCR community deserves and given worldwide acknowledgement and accessibility to a program we all love which was barely known by anyone outside Japan 4 years ago and has turned it into an almost household program
I Hate that it's designed as a rating's program and not as a family gathering and has destroyed the magic, allure and spirit of SASUKE
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Post by Philip on Jun 3, 2016 12:18:09 GMT -5
I've slowly realized I don't care about competing on ANW. I've realized how it's pretty much RNG getting on the show and on top of that it's an overproduced shitfest where they force people to run at the worst hours all in the name of f***ing editing... It's not what I love. I love Sasuke/Ninja Warrior in general, but I f***ing hate the TV crap that I've grown more aware of. I find myself more motivated by training for upcoming gym competitions. All this being said I still want to be on Sasuke obviously. It's hard to get my name out there, especially as an American.. I think if I keep my nose clean and don't associate myself with NBC I'll have a better chance of getting on. I'm 100% serious about being on Sasuke. Perhaps I should stay visible and show more training stuff and tweet it to Inui or something. It's hard.
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Post by notamulti on Jun 3, 2016 12:21:38 GMT -5
I've slowly realized I don't care about competing on ANW. I've realized how it's pretty much RNG getting on the show and on top of that it's an overproduced shitfest where they force people to run at the worst hours all in the name of f***ing editing... It's not what I love. I love Sasuke/Ninja Warrior in general, but I f***ing hate the TV crap that I've grown more aware of. I find myself more motivated by training for upcoming gym competitions. All this being said I still want to be on Sasuke obviously. It's hard to get my name out there, especially as an American.. I think if I keep my nose clean and don't associate myself with NBC I'll have a better chance of getting on. I'm 100% serious about being on Sasuke. Perhaps I should stay visible and show more training stuff and tweet it to Inui or something. It's hard. Whats upsetting about the whole thing is that NBC has robbed your chance to go to Sasuke.. As an American the only way you can get there is though them
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 3, 2016 13:21:47 GMT -5
I've slowly realized I don't care about competing on ANW. I've realized how it's pretty much RNG getting on the show and on top of that it's an overproduced shitfest where they force people to run at the worst hours all in the name of f***ing editing... It's not what I love. I love Sasuke/Ninja Warrior in general, but I f***ing hate the TV crap that I've grown more aware of. I find myself more motivated by training for upcoming gym competitions. All this being said I still want to be on Sasuke obviously. It's hard to get my name out there, especially as an American.. I think if I keep my nose clean and don't associate myself with NBC I'll have a better chance of getting on. I'm 100% serious about being on Sasuke. Perhaps I should stay visible and show more training stuff and tweet it to Inui or something. It's hard. I applaud your efforts to get on Sasuke. But technically ANW still offers the best platform to get on the show. Kacy, for example, would never have been on Sasuke if not for ANW. ANW won't help you get to Japan, but it is a platform to use to stick your head above the parapet.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 14:02:25 GMT -5
I've slowly realized I don't care about competing on ANW. I've realized how it's pretty much RNG getting on the show and on top of that it's an overproduced shitfest where they force people to run at the worst hours all in the name of f***ing editing... It's not what I love. I love Sasuke/Ninja Warrior in general, but I f***ing hate the TV crap that I've grown more aware of. I find myself more motivated by training for upcoming gym competitions. All this being said I still want to be on Sasuke obviously. It's hard to get my name out there, especially as an American.. I think if I keep my nose clean and don't associate myself with NBC I'll have a better chance of getting on. I'm 100% serious about being on Sasuke. Perhaps I should stay visible and show more training stuff and tweet it to Inui or something. It's hard. Seriously NBC need to be more lenient on foreigners...we need more diversity in SASUKE than we have today. Back in the late M9 days, it was very diverse...
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2016 14:08:39 GMT -5
I've slowly realized I don't care about competing on ANW. I've realized how it's pretty much RNG getting on the show and on top of that it's an overproduced shitfest where they force people to run at the worst hours all in the name of f***ing editing... It's not what I love. I love Sasuke/Ninja Warrior in general, but I f***ing hate the TV crap that I've grown more aware of. I find myself more motivated by training for upcoming gym competitions. All this being said I still want to be on Sasuke obviously. It's hard to get my name out there, especially as an American.. I think if I keep my nose clean and don't associate myself with NBC I'll have a better chance of getting on. I'm 100% serious about being on Sasuke. Perhaps I should stay visible and show more training stuff and tweet it to Inui or something. It's hard. Seriously the Japanese need to be more lenient on foreigners...we need more diversity in SASUKE than we have today. Back in the late M9 days, it was very diverse... Stop blaming the Japanese for the Americans.. blame NBC.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2016 14:12:23 GMT -5
Seriously the Japanese need to be more lenient on foreigners...we need more diversity in SASUKE than we have today. Back in the late M9 days, it was very diverse... Stop blaming the Japanese for the Americans.. blame NBC. Ok then....SCREW YOU NBC! LOL
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 3, 2016 14:40:49 GMT -5
That goes with everything honestly. My involvement in organized Olympic Sport has tainted me forever. Everything that has a price tag or reward in some way will have polarizing opinions in it. Add TV and that's an element altogether different. I never go by Facebook as it's been obvious in the past that it is heavily edited against anything remotely negative. Case in point with the whole Isaac/Geoff fiasco from last year there were several posts that were upvoted 2k+ each and all of those have been stricken from the record. It was so bad at one point they shut down comments. Now that the new season has started it will do that again. It's part of the myth to keep any opposing view. That's the nature of it sadly. Here at least on SMF opposing views can be discussed without fear of censorship. At least that's the hope we strive for here on SMF despite many wanting us to go away. The article was really good in explaining the love/hate part of it. They want to enjoy it but many outside factors contribute to making them hate it. The longer someone is in it the more flaws you see. The same can be said about Sasuke. Everything loses it's shine after a while - especially when money and television are involved. You know Arsenette, you are right about Facebook. SPOT ON IN FACT. I was actually sceptical about it when I first heard about that months ago, but you are right. Just tonight, on a post showing Kevin Bull's run on the official ANW facebook, there was a guy talking about Sasuke and asking if anyone even remembered it. Needless to say, there were some Sasuke fans, including myself, coming out of the woodwork, but there were also jackasses who wouldn't stop asking why: "anyone would watch that crappy version." Then, just as it looked like the Sasuke fans were gaining the upper hand... I go to check on the post and *poof*. The original post talking about Sasuke, wiped from existence. Even the comments supporting ANW were wiped. I had to see it to believe it. Now I have.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 3, 2016 14:47:38 GMT -5
That goes with everything honestly. My involvement in organized Olympic Sport has tainted me forever. Everything that has a price tag or reward in some way will have polarizing opinions in it. Add TV and that's an element altogether different. I never go by Facebook as it's been obvious in the past that it is heavily edited against anything remotely negative. Case in point with the whole Isaac/Geoff fiasco from last year there were several posts that were upvoted 2k+ each and all of those have been stricken from the record. It was so bad at one point they shut down comments. Now that the new season has started it will do that again. It's part of the myth to keep any opposing view. That's the nature of it sadly. Here at least on SMF opposing views can be discussed without fear of censorship. At least that's the hope we strive for here on SMF despite many wanting us to go away. The article was really good in explaining the love/hate part of it. They want to enjoy it but many outside factors contribute to making them hate it. The longer someone is in it the more flaws you see. The same can be said about Sasuke. Everything loses it's shine after a while - especially when money and television are involved. You know Arsenette, you are right about Facebook. SPOT ON IN FACT. I was actually sceptical about it when I first heard about that months ago, but you are right. Just tonight, on a post showing Kevin Bull's run on the official ANW facebook, there was a guy talking about Sasuke and asking if anyone even remembered it. Needless to say, there were some Sasuke fans, including myself, coming out of the woodwork, but there were also jackasses who wouldn't stop asking why: "anyone would watch that crappy version." Then, just as it looked like the Sasuke fans were gaining the upper hand... I go to check on the post and *poof*. The original post talking about Sasuke, wiped from existence. Even the comments supporting ANW were wiped. I had to see it to believe it. Now I have. Yeah it's pretty sad. It has been happening for a long time - ever since they stole the original Ninja Warrior Facebook. When G4 had the franchise and created that Facebook it was sitting at 800,000 then NBC took over and rebranded it as ANW but kept the fanbase. I've always been bitter about that but not as much as those who were duped into thinking the original was coming back. Since then anyone asking about Ninja Warrior.. (you know.. the name of the show that originally occupied that Facebook) they get shot down and immediately censored. Goes to show how sensitive they are over there to make sure that is stricken from the record.
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Post by notamulti on Jun 3, 2016 15:04:13 GMT -5
That explains why some of the ANW facebook posts I see have 2k likes and 15 comments xD Seems they just wipe them all
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Post by dlee on Jun 3, 2016 22:16:14 GMT -5
You know Arsenette, you are right about Facebook. SPOT ON IN FACT. I was actually sceptical about it when I first heard about that months ago, but you are right. Just tonight, on a post showing Kevin Bull's run on the official ANW facebook, there was a guy talking about Sasuke and asking if anyone even remembered it. Needless to say, there were some Sasuke fans, including myself, coming out of the woodwork, but there were also jackasses who wouldn't stop asking why: "anyone would watch that crappy version." Then, just as it looked like the Sasuke fans were gaining the upper hand... I go to check on the post and *poof*. The original post talking about Sasuke, wiped from existence. Even the comments supporting ANW were wiped. I had to see it to believe it. Now I have. Dude this kind of attitude is a problem!!!! Arguing is trying to make someone understand your point of view. Its not a fight where u "gain the upper hand". I can imagine someone deleted the post because no-one calmly explained how much love people have for the sasuke competitors & the history of sasuke. Instead u guys were so concerned with 'getting the upper hand' & winning this imaginary fight you probz forgot to actually argue. As for the article, I agree with ALOT of his points. Training for ANW is not a physical method of training the way parkour is, but it does promote fitness. If ANW inspires 1 person to try parkour/go for a run/join a gym then i believe it helps everyone. Honestly this is the first time i have ever heard of someone in the parkour community have a problem with it. I have many friends who have competed on ANW & so many other spin off in the respective countries. I understand as a parkour gym-owner that ANW effects Charles much more than it effects people like me, (those who only train) but if people come to the gym and want to do a "ninja class" as opposed to a parkour class it still equals people coming to your gym. I DONT agree they should call it "Parkour Warrior". As it is not parkour & if you know any people who train parkour, you probz know how silly they are. "Parkour Warrior"......no, just no And finally i dont agree that parkour competitions (ill leave the whole parkour competitions vs parkour purists another day) would entertain people the same way ANW does. That has already been shown to be the case. If anyone has ever been to a parkour competition it becomes apparent really quick that most people there are traceurs. Not to mention the low-rated parkour tv shows (ie Jump City, Parkour challenge) Its just doesnt work like ANW does.
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