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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2014 18:15:34 GMT -5
I just wanted to say (and I might be the only one), but NBC's editing and fudging of results is almost inconsequential to me. I like to watch the athletes run the course. I don't really care who beats who. Maybe it's just a simple-minded way of looking at it, but the way I see it each ninja is competing against their last performance, not each other. That being said, the poorly designed obstacles were a problem. I'm amazed by the ninjas that toughed through them, but many didn't get a fair shot. Hopefully they fix this for next year. Greatest point ever. I get so much distaste around here for my attitude of not liking certain competitors and wanting to see the course win, compared to the "Spirit of Sasuke" where as long as each competitor clears it's a great thing. And now that someone loses a competition, everyone sees it as a big freaking deal. I thought it wasn't about winning and losing? I call MAJOR BS and see tons of biased reasoning. Not surprised. It's not about "zomg Team Japan lost".. it's about fairness and courtesy. Why invite them if they planned to sabotage their wins? Why was it sooooooo important to get Team USA to the final? THAT is the problem and why TBS is not happy with what happened. While you may have found it entertaining, I didn't think it was necessary to throw them under the bus. We all know Japan wasn't going to win anyway (hell they even knew that), but they were singled out to be stripped of everything because it served the USA purpose. Not only is that unfair, it's not entertaining. It's rude, discourteous of treating your guests as fodder for your personal advancement or even entertainment. I hope TBS says no next year.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 23, 2014 18:24:02 GMT -5
Greatest point ever. I get so much distaste around here for my attitude of not liking certain competitors and wanting to see the course win, compared to the "Spirit of Sasuke" where as long as each competitor clears it's a great thing. And now that someone loses a competition, everyone sees it as a big freaking deal. I thought it wasn't about winning and losing? I call MAJOR BS and see tons of biased reasoning. Not surprised. It's not about "zomg Team Japan lost".. it's about fairness and courtesy. Why invite them if they planned to sabotage their wins? Why was it sooooooo important to get Team USA to the final? THAT is the problem and why TBS is not happy with what happened. While you may have found it entertaining, I didn't think it was necessary to throw them under the bus. We all know Japan wasn't going to win anyway (hell they even knew that), but they were singled out to be stripped of everything because it served the USA purpose. Not only is that unfair, it's not entertaining. It's rude, discourteous of treating your guests as fodder for your personal advancement or even entertainment. I hope TBS says no next year. Yeah to be honest if TBS says no to next year it wouldn't surprise me but I won't be so happy or keen on it... The thing is I get that US and Europe seriously stripped Japan of much of anything and they left empty handed except a record that even the US HAS to admit. Team JAPAN was the first to clear stage 3. No one else except them and especially Morimoto. Honestly Japan should still be proud they lead the way to 3 others clearing the stage but still going home with nothing is still sad. If they return next year make sure Shingo leads them again. He knew what was wrong last time. They fixed it...
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2014 18:32:23 GMT -5
Yeah to be honest if TBS says no to next year it wouldn't surprise me but I won't be so happy or keen on it... The thing is I get that US and Europe seriously stripped Japan of much of anything and they left empty handed except a record that even the US HAS to admit. Team JAPAN was the first to clear stage 3. No one else except them and especially Morimoto. Honestly Japan should still be proud they lead the way to 3 others clearing the stage but still going home with nothing is still sad. If they return next year make sure Shingo leads them again. He knew what was wrong last time. They fixed it... You're missing the point.. this was AFTER they fixed what was wrong the last time.. this isn't about the results or "going home emptyhanded", it's about lack of respect and being USED to further a deception. They were the victims of fraud. No amount of "they'll get it right next year" will fix what happened THIS year. Having Shingo come back next year or not is not going to fix it.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 23, 2014 18:33:52 GMT -5
Yeah to be honest if TBS says no to next year it wouldn't surprise me but I won't be so happy or keen on it... The thing is I get that US and Europe seriously stripped Japan of much of anything and they left empty handed except a record that even the US HAS to admit. Team JAPAN was the first to clear stage 3. No one else except them and especially Morimoto. Honestly Japan should still be proud they lead the way to 3 others clearing the stage but still going home with nothing is still sad. If they return next year make sure Shingo leads them again. He knew what was wrong last time. They fixed it... You're missing the point.. this was AFTER they fixed what was wrong the last time.. this isn't about the results or "going home emptyhanded", it's about lack of respect and being USED to further a deception. They were the victims of fraud. No amount of "they'll get it right next year" will fix what happened THIS year. Having Shingo come back next year or not is not going to fix it. yeah I usually miss something. I get it. But to me I just don't know what side to be on...
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Post by sasukeguy on Sept 23, 2014 18:35:23 GMT -5
It's making me mad how Team Japan cleared the third stage two times but do not get any points. Seriously if NBC is creating bogus rules then why do they make this special.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2014 18:49:46 GMT -5
yeah I usually miss something. I get it. But to me I just don't know what side to be on... Fairplay. That's the side you should be on. Allegiance shouldn't factor. I have zero issues with anyone who wins fair and square. In fact I prefer it and love it when I see someone dominate and be rewarded for it. For all my problems with Europe, they won fair and square.. twice. Mad props to them.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 23, 2014 19:00:51 GMT -5
yeah I usually miss something. I get it. But to me I just don't know what side to be on... Fairplay. That's the side you should be on. Allegiance shouldn't factor. I have zero issues with anyone who wins fair and square. In fact I prefer it and love it when I see someone dominate and be rewarded for it. For all my problems with Europe, they won fair and square.. twice. Mad props to them. You can say that again. Fairplay is the way to be on. Team Europe had a smashing time.
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 23, 2014 22:13:18 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what would of happened if Arnold failed failed the stage would the show have declared team Europe the winner outright? And I still don't know why the show would accept the results of final stage that resulted in team Europe's win after they fixed the results of the third stage to prevent team Europe winning then and there.
Also besides that particular heat was there any other allegations of any other match that was fixed?
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Post by dudesky1000 on Sept 23, 2014 22:26:48 GMT -5
It didn't matter if the US won or lost the whole thing in the final. All that matters to them is ratings. Just showing off the final was enough to bring viewers in and hype the next season. Not only that, but now they have a riveting comeback story for team USA in the making by hyping up the next special. I'm sure they were pleased that Europe won.
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Post by arsenette on Sept 23, 2014 22:27:26 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what would of happened if Arnold failed failed the stage would the show have declared team Europe the winner outright? And I still don't know why the show would accept the results of final stage that resulted in team Europe's win after they fixed the results of the third stage to prevent team Europe winning then and there. Also besides that particular heat was there any other allegations of any other match that was fixed? IMO they would have had to but we'll never know. It was already bad that in the 3rd they didn't even disqualify both EU and USA for skipping balls and grabbing the chains when Japan was told that it was unequivocally out of bounds.. The only other major point was the 2nd stage rope maze where they changed the configuration of the ropes after the teams had a chance to test them out and right before Japan went on them. They had no time to readjust. One could argue that they should have learned to adjust on the fly, however to change it before a competitor and not having that tested so everyone had a chance to see the new configuration was also a huge bone of contention. Everyone else benefited from seeing the Japan fails and how not to go about it. And finally that's not even touching the fact that on paper, signed contract, NBC lured TBS back promising to even the playing field by readjusting the course for height (like Sasuke) so things like the Butterfly wall being a lot harder for shorter people just to REACH it shouldn't have happened. Like that or hate it, it was on paper and TBS is quick to point out that it was deceptive to do so and breach of contract. They would not have agreed to come back if NBC didn't promise those concessions.
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Post by AussiePete on Sept 24, 2014 0:21:42 GMT -5
To throw in a positive comment: I enjoyed the familiarity of the layouts and obstacles (i.e. their similarity to Sasuke courses), e.g. Spider Jump --> Halfpipe --> Warped Wall; Salmon Ladder --> original Unstable Bridge; and Metal Spin --> Wall Lifting. I like the way those obstacles seem to flow into each other.
I prefer flow to the stop/start combinations we sometimes see, e.g. (from Sasuke) Quint Steps (speed) into Log Grip (stop, get into position, hang on and wait) into Pole Maze (speed).
I think the obstacles and layout were good. Though I think the downhill run-up to the Spider Jump probably added to the difficulty.
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Post by Lachlan on Sept 24, 2014 1:08:47 GMT -5
& in the future Australian Ninja Warrior I hope they make one and judging by the speed it is going around the wold, I think there very well could be one in the future, but I would have to wait another 4 years as the age limit would probably be 18 and I am 14 at the moment I hope that if they make one, it isn't as sh_t as American Ninja Warrior...
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Post by vaughngk on Sept 24, 2014 11:37:26 GMT -5
It seemed only Arnold and Sean skipped one of the balls and only only Joe clearly grabbed the chain at the last ball and Asa only was told to go back not disqualified out right but still unfair if they had to follow different rules for the obstacles. As for rope jungle it's true that shorter competitors were at disadvantage but Sean and Stefano who are both the same height as Kanno made it but he didn't and Morimoto who is shorter than Kanno beat the obstacle so saying the Japanese were too short for the obstacle is misleading.
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Post by tbowman on Sept 24, 2014 12:13:46 GMT -5
I'm curious as to what would of happened if Arnold failed failed the stage would the show have declared team Europe the winner outright? And I still don't know why the show would accept the results of final stage that resulted in team Europe's win after they fixed the results of the third stage to prevent team Europe winning then and there. Also besides that particular heat was there any other allegations of any other match that was fixed? IMO they would have had to but we'll never know. It was already bad that in the 3rd they didn't even disqualify both EU and USA for skipping balls and grabbing the chains when Japan was told that it was unequivocally out of bounds.. The only other major point was the 2nd stage rope maze where they changed the configuration of the ropes after the teams had a chance to test them out and right before Japan went on them. They had no time to readjust. One could argue that they should have learned to adjust on the fly, however to change it before a competitor and not having that tested so everyone had a chance to see the new configuration was also a huge bone of contention. Everyone else benefited from seeing the Japan fails and how not to go about it. And finally that's not even touching the fact that on paper, signed contract, NBC lured TBS back promising to even the playing field by readjusting the course for height (like Sasuke) so things like the Butterfly wall being a lot harder for shorter people just to REACH it shouldn't have happened. Like that or hate it, it was on paper and TBS is quick to point out that it was deceptive to do so and breach of contract. They would not have agreed to come back if NBC didn't promise those concessions. Arsenette - If everything you've said (or even a fraction of it) is true, it is deeply troubling. I see little benefit to exploiting the Japanese team. ANW has benefitted greatly from their presence the past two season in the form of these end of season competitions. The only recourse Japan has at this point is not to show up again. Or, if they choose to come, show up with the full knowledge that what has happened before will likely happen again. I think it would be in ANW's best interest to treat them well, treat them fairly, and treat them in a manner which would cause them to want to return year after year.
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Post by damon8 on Sept 25, 2014 1:18:57 GMT -5
Comon guys .. morimoto was cheated .. watch both runs again . Its simple to see . Stefano was slower
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Post by arsenette on Sept 25, 2014 6:58:31 GMT -5
TBS actually has their answer formulated so I'm curious if NBC is going to ask them again after that fiasco knowing that TBS lost their marbles over how their stars were treated. Anyway Part 2 is up.
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Post by Ralf on Sept 25, 2014 8:42:48 GMT -5
Nice review, funny to read
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Post by RiderLeangle on Sept 25, 2014 10:06:31 GMT -5
1: Travis Rosen didn't make stage 3 on his first try, he made stage 2, (I know I'm about to be crucified for combining Sasuke and ANW results here but...) 1st was Sasuke 27, failed Metal Spin. 2nd was ANW4, Failed Balance Tank. 3rd was ANW5, THIS is when he made Stage 3 and made it to the Floating Boards and failed there. ANW6 he failed the Metal Spin the same way as in USA vs Japan last year
2: I'm not exactly sure if Elet is really unemployed, I know they list it as ski lift operator on ANW and you're probably thinking "Oh that's only a winter job", I swear I've heard advertisements for some indoor ski places (however that works) here in maryland (or at least close enough they advertise here), it's possible he works at one of those places.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Sept 25, 2014 14:02:23 GMT -5
I read part 2. Very interesting and I had no clue of the Rope Jungle being mixed up before Team Japan ran. I'm thinking out of Team Japan... wait who's the tallest from that group? Whoever it is would have probably the best chance to clear it... same thing with the Butterfly Wall
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Post by Amber on Sept 25, 2014 14:11:26 GMT -5
Only if Elet was an amusement park ride operator (I really love amusement parks ) Anyways, back to the proper topic, just finished reading Part 1 and Part 2 (I apparently missed the 1st). They are as great as ever Arsenette! Keep up the good work!
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