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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Dec 10, 2012 23:21:36 GMT -5
I've been going back and forth on this.
I see how many guys that list weights are strong and bulky but fall easily.
And how a small guy that doesn't lift goes further.
But then I see someone like Kamerion Wimbley that lifts crap ton and finished the mini course
and then see someone that doesn't life that falls...
jeez what is it?
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Post by TCM on Dec 11, 2012 0:02:38 GMT -5
Because there are people who lift for show, and people who lift to actually have strength. There are plenty of buff guys who can barely lift themselves off the ground. At the same time, lifting a set of weights means nothing if you can't do the more technical, intricate things on the course.
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Post by dudesky1000 on Dec 11, 2012 0:34:42 GMT -5
It's simple, they look big because they eat too much. That isn't all muscle, it's fat! It's got nothing to do with whether or not they are using dumbells, barbells, or their bodyweight. Anyone who is super 'bulky' and has a very low bodyfat % should have no trouble, relatively speaking.
And lol, Kamerion Wimbley is a football player. Football players are anything BUT all muscle, they're big running tubs of lard with heart conditions because their diets suck!
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Post by Oti on Dec 11, 2012 0:56:22 GMT -5
Coming out of hiding just to respond to this, damn it.
You're putting too much thought into this. Lifting is just a mean to an end. How much weight you lift and how buff you are are not indicators of your overall athleticism or skill in an activity (aside from lifting, obviously). You don't have to lift to be skilled at a physical activity, but in a somewhat strenuous activity (ANW, for example), extra strength always helps. This is why I stress strength training for anyone who wants to compete. Being strong makes things easier.
I also think creating a duality between lifting and bodyweight exercises like so many people do (and I used to) is a mistake. They compliment each other very well, and although I voted for "Yes, I only lift weights", I sprinkle in some bodyweight exercises here and there. I enjoy them. It keeps things interesting. But instead of worrying about X being better than Y, you should all worry about just getting stronger. You can get strong by lifting weights. You can get strong with bodyweight exercises. The only drawback to bodyweight exercises is that you need progressive resistance to continue gaining strength, and the resistance here (your bodyweight) is fixed. That means potential strength gains are limited. I always recommend lifting as a primary method of strength training because it's faster, simpler and has far more potential than bodyweight training.
I disagree with everything you said, dudesky. A big dude with 5% body fat can be completely stiff and unathletic, while an even bigger dude with 15% body fat can still sprint and jump and climb (pro football players are actually a good example of larger guys who can still move). Given these two choices, who do you think has a better chance on the course?
And then there's my hero, Jujimufu, who weighs in at a swole 200 pounds and can still fly through the air, graceful as ever:
Back to my cave now.
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Post by werewolf on Dec 11, 2012 12:49:50 GMT -5
My training is about 90% bodyweight , and 10% lifting.
My brother's training is 100% lifting. When it comes to doing pullups , I own him BIG TIME. Dispite the fact that his mucles are twice mine in size.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 18:12:53 GMT -5
Mixing both seems to work best for my situation, but weight training is better than bodyweight training. I use bodyweight training only when I am obstacle training. Three days of the week I do weight training and three other days of the week I do bodyweight training with a portion of osbtacle training. I am still new to all of this so your should probably listen to another persons advice.
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Post by Oti on Dec 11, 2012 18:14:38 GMT -5
Werewolf:
My training is about 90% lifting, 10% bodyweight exercises. Your training is the other way around. I can backflip better than you, therefore lifting is better.
Do you see the logic?
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Post by werewolf on Dec 11, 2012 18:55:10 GMT -5
I don't see the logic in your post. But i'm pretty sure your backflip is better than mine , as i don't train for that.
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Post by Oti on Dec 11, 2012 19:19:03 GMT -5
"But i'm pretty sure your backflip is better than mine , as i don't train for that."
Exactly. So is it any wonder that you're better at pull-ups than your brother? If his training routine is worth anything, he probably has the potential to be better at them than you, but he doesn't focus on them.
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Post by SKC99 on Dec 11, 2012 23:25:21 GMT -5
You definitely don't need to lift weights if you wanna be good at SASUKE. For example, the only obstacle that you need to lift weights to pass is the Wall Lift. Some members of the Shin Sedai, like Yuuji and Ryo, have been struggling with this obstacle but made it all the way to the final stage!
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Post by RedHerring on Dec 12, 2012 0:49:21 GMT -5
I don't see how you could think it'd be a bad idea to lift weights for Sasuke. It's the most efficient way to get stronger.
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Dec 12, 2012 21:24:51 GMT -5
Okay look at this guy. Pretty strong dude !
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Dec 12, 2012 21:52:43 GMT -5
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Post by VeryCoolAlan on Dec 12, 2012 21:54:25 GMT -5
I also like to train like a Gymnast because they literally don't lift weights but are huge!
Football players have speed and agility.
parkourists have endurance
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 13, 2012 17:50:30 GMT -5
My training is very Sasuke specific (I mean it's my goal so it makes sense), so it's mainly bodyweight stuff.
Although while I don't do any actual weightlifting, I guess you could say I kinda do some weight stuff in the form of lifting a bunch of heavy boxes at work... I mean people might underestimate the weight of shipping box of 5 boxes of file folders or carrying an office chair up and down a ladder. I have noticed some improvement in Sasuke related stuff recently, although that might also be dropping the MMA classes a couple months ago
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Post by Oti on Dec 13, 2012 23:30:49 GMT -5
How is bodyweight training more specific to Sasuke/ANW than weight lifting?
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 13, 2012 23:45:26 GMT -5
How is bodyweight training more specific to Sasuke/ANW than weight lifting? Since Sasuke pretty much is all bodyweight stuff, there are only 3 obstacles in Sasuke history that have been a form of a weight rather than bodyweight stuff, and only one of which lasted more than one tournament. By no means is weightlifting bad (Assuming it's being done in a way that actually gives strength and not just technique for the weights), it's just not my thing |
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Post by Oti on Dec 13, 2012 23:51:58 GMT -5
Why does there have to be an actual weight on the course for lifting to be relevant? You're required to run, jump, stop, grab and climb all over the course. Lifting can improve all of those. Having more power in a jump is relevant. Being able to hold onto a rope or bar harder is relevant.
Lifting isn't your thing because you're clueless about it (no insult intended). I've been where you are, and you don't know what you're missing. You should PM me about this.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Dec 14, 2012 0:08:18 GMT -5
Why does there have to be an actual weight on the course for lifting to be relevant? You're required to run, jump, stop, grab and climb all over the course. Sorry for picking apart your quote but couldn't it also be said that actually doing that stuff would be even more relevant?  But what I mean is it's not just a single type of bodyweight training like pullups or other stuff like Parkour (Not that I don't do these things, I'm just saying it's not what my whole training consists of), I mean my training is made up of all kinds of elements of Sasuke, found versions of obstacles, running courses, endurance and s***... Maybe I should start putting up more training videos... haven't put up many in a while... I've only put up like 2 recently... and one was more of an obstacle speculation demonstration and the other I derped at the end trying to speed things up to make the video better >_<... |
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Post by Oti on Dec 14, 2012 8:49:02 GMT -5
If all your training is sport specific training, you're training wrong. You need to actually do other things to get stronger and more powerful. The big barbell exercises are excellent because they offer non-specific benefits. A better squat carries over to a faster sprint, a higher/farther jump and improved agility for example, and that's only a few benefits. Deep, heavy squatting even gives you a mental boost since it takes a big ol' pair of balls to get under a heavy barbell and try to squat it for reps. All of these are sport specific benefits, even though the training is (by your standards) not. Make sense?
Maybe you should try to understand what I'm saying first, instead of uploading videos. It would take your training to a whole new level.
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