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Post by supersheep on Jul 25, 2010 15:01:54 GMT -5
Except you forget that G4's #1 goal is to try to hold up an image that ANW is not the same as Sasuke. G4 wants it to be their own show, and this step makes that illusion more real.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 15:02:55 GMT -5
They never denied it.
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Post by Oti on Jul 25, 2010 15:15:06 GMT -5
Do you expect G4 to answer all of our accusations? In the example you gave, it's always a toss-up in that sense. Anyone can have bad luck. A challenging trial at least ensures the competitors have great skill, reducing the chances of them tiring out or making silly mistakes. Back luck still happens, but the more skilled the competitors are, the less it should happen.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 15:57:49 GMT -5
I like it if they had a harder trial. Sasuke Trials in Japan has been hit or miss (even M9 has apologized for the bad ones because they left that at the last minute and they didn't have enough time to organize it properly). What I did like from STQ competitions is that they concentrated on what you needed to combat Sasuke as a whole.. and not just the first stage. Whether it was simple things like hanging off of ledges or running in marathons (poor Ryo) it was always designed for all 4 stages of Sasuke and the skills needed for each stage. ANW so far has concentrated on 1 and that is stage 1. If they continue in that pattern they are not going to find someone who is overall rounded to survive all 4 stages of the show they are qualifying for - Sasuke.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 25, 2010 16:38:25 GMT -5
I agree with you Oti on the fact that the harder the course, it decreases the chance a weak competitior makes it, im just saying it also increases the chance that someone really good won't.
Arsenette: you are right, ANW needs to focus on the whole course not just 1 or 2 skills. There is a lot more to do with Sausuke than speed and agility and they dont seem to grasp that concept yet.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 16:41:05 GMT -5
I agree with you Oti on the fact that the harder the course, it decreases the chance a weak competitior makes it, im just saying it also increases the chance that someone really good won't. Yeah like Keita. It's a hard balance to strike though. Too easy and you get people who have no hope of even getting out of the 1st stage.. and too hard and you run the risk of losing people that just had bad luck on the trials course but stood a good chance in doing very very well in the main course. So far I'm taking STQ over ANW based on ANW1 alone. Let's see what happens in ANW2 in terms of the course. So far I'm not liking that they are only doing 1-2 stages and having people repeat previous stages like they did in ANW1.
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Post by jams on Jul 25, 2010 17:01:43 GMT -5
I admire what they are trying to do but to throw that in the face of people who legally can't get to it is just bad form. Again and I repeat it.. I don't care if G4 does it HERE in the USA if it's tied directly to ANW.. just .. don't involve Sasuke since it's discriminatory to put that kind of cash to just a small group of people when everyone else can't have it.. in the SAME SHOW. I think it would be given on ANW because part of the ANW show has been showing their runs in Sasuke. If someone achieves Kanzenseiha they would likely award the prize in the ANW show format. I don't see them showing up at Midoriyama with a big check saying "Pay To: Americans Only $250k."
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Post by arsenette on Jul 25, 2010 17:32:47 GMT -5
I honestly wouldn't put it past them really. What they might show in ANW/Ninja Warrior doesn't mean they aren't doing it in Japan in front of everyone else. After all .. given how they edited Sasuke 23.. I'm not putting it past them for G4 to do this.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 25, 2010 22:57:20 GMT -5
G4 pretty much has it all set up to create the illusion that Sasuke and American Ninja Warrior are two seperate things... The reality: They send 10 people to compete in Sasuke 23/26/Etcetera What G4 wants them to think: Sasuke 23/26/Etc. happens on a separate day and the 10 winners get to compete on the same course they used for that tournament.. The whole crowd just shows up and sits in the exact same places just to watch the Americans..
It's called "Monopolizing"... G4 pretty much made it so TBS/Monster9 makes you go through your TV station so they're trying to create the illusion it's THEIR show and THEY are the only ones who can give you any way to ever get on which is not the case.. I'm sure if you lived in Japan just long enough to compete you could go through the trials.. Hell.. you could get lucky and people can drop out last minute and you might get damn lucky and get invited (Like a certain Mike Milner)
While I like some shows on G4 (shut up... XD ) and I like how they made it so more people know about Sasuke (and lets face it.. The majority of us got hooked on Sasuke through Ninja Warrior (No matter where in the world you are except Japan or Taiwan, Most of the world buy G4's broadcasts and just re-dub/sub them)) and I really thank them for introducing me to it.. But honestly I don't like what they're doing with the whole ANW thing.. I thought ANC was unfair but I would gladly go back to the ANC1/2 days than let G4 keep what they're doing..
Sorry if this rant was a bit off topic but I just had to get that out of my system.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 25, 2010 23:19:04 GMT -5
Rider is right, We keep saying each one is horrible and unfair but they just keep getting worse not better.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 26, 2010 1:01:52 GMT -5
I hate to say such a controversial claim, but I think you guys just hate Americans or something lol. I don't know if that's true. I base it off nothing really. But this is such a stupid thing to b**** about, you guys are taking this way out of proportion, and I still haven't really found a good reason for the bitching.
G4 lying to their fans about Sasuke and ANW. Yes, that's retarded.
But this extra price money is nothing. It's just a fun little prize to the G4 peeps.
Shouldn't they win more money anyways? They DO have to go through ANW and THEN the actual course. They have plenty more obstacles to go through. Not to mention it does nothing to effect the other 90 competitors.
Is it a race thing? Can't foreign people go on ANW? Was that ever proven? Not to mention a Japanese immigrant in America can go on ANW, so I still don't think the "Well only one race can win this extra money, so it's race bias" thing is valid.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 26, 2010 1:23:59 GMT -5
I don't know if that's true. I base it off nothing really. LOL you kill your argument when you say that. I can only speak for myself and since a few people will just dismiss my claims as me being hateful I say it to the rest who genuinely read my posts. I .. Love .. Sasuke. Period. Always have, always will. Everything G4 is doing is simply to raise their ratings in the USA. That's simple and that's the truth. That's their job. That's what they want and have always wanted. The problem is that what G4 wants and what Sasuke needs are not the same thing. I can't genuinely say that G4 hates Sasuke but it sure has a real problem in saying it truthfully since nothing has helped Sasuke in Japan. That said I honestly and truthfully believe that G4 doesn't care. It gets ratings from showing old Sasukes. You don't need a new one to continue. JET in Taiwan lived off of syndication for years and people still clamor for Ninja Warrior/Sasuke even now never even seeing the new ones. The problem lies with the fact that I want new Sasuke to continue and that so far is not happening with Japan losing interest. G4 paying money to M9 for doing ANW doesn't help Sasuke in Japan. Japan doesn't like the influx of excessive foreigners or G4. They have spoken through blogs and they have spoken by not turning on Sasuke anymore. So anyone saying that money from G4 will help Sasuke simply does not understand the Japanese market and never will. As for the money issue. It's in bad taste to wave money that by legal right no Japanese person can accept in a game show and leave it only to the Americans. If you have a problem with me using American or Japanese.. then that's your issue. That's not racism to use those words.. that's the truth. Both Taiwan and Japan both have gaming caps on how much you can legitimately make off of a single gameshow. G4 issuing that to only a portion of the competitors in Japan is just insulting. It's like going to a birthday party and someone else getting the gifts. It may not mean much to you but it's insulting to the others who will only see it as G4 grandstanding on someone else's show. I want Americans to succeed I just disagree vehemently in how G4 has handled the American entries. Thanks to G4 no on under 21 can enter.. before G4 anyone from the USA could apply regardless of their age, gender or background. It was just M9's prerogative to do so. If anyone hates the Americans as you mention it.. it would be G4. I don't hate the Americans. I cheer all of you guys on and lament those that don't have a chance.. ever.. to get on this show. I just despise with an utter passion the television station that has disrupted the process and just doesn't understand the concept of being a GUEST.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 26, 2010 7:31:04 GMT -5
The law that limits game show prizes was eliminated in 2006.
The law was that after 1971, the limit was a paltry one million yen. It was raised to 10 million in 1996 and finally in 2006 the cap was abolished.
The winners of Survivor Japan (the um..Japanese version of Survivor) got 10 million yen. This was during 2002 to 2003.
Several Kinniku Banzuke events paid out more than 2 million yen (some versions of Struck Out and Kick Target) but 2 million was a common prize amount.
Since SASUKE started out as yet another Kinniku Banzuke event it had that same 2 million yen prize amount that many other events had. At the time, beating SASUKE got you the same amount as beating Daruma 9.
When SASUKE took off as its own program while Kinniku Banzuke and it's spin-offs floundered no one bothered to adjust the prize money.
SASUKE started in 1997 so TBS (M9 didn't exist yet) could have given more than 2 million yen.
Between SASUKEs 16 and 17 they could have raised the prize money beyond 10 million but chose to not do so.
As it stands, if they want to give an amount equal to what G4 is giving they can but I doubt they would unless TBS helps to cover it.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 26, 2010 12:55:26 GMT -5
Sounds like if there is any problem it's with the Japanese government, not TBS or G4. Guess they should change their laws, maybe this will help them reaslise they should do something different?
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Post by supersheep on Jul 26, 2010 13:01:37 GMT -5
Well to me one of the biggest appeals of Sasuke was that people weren't in it for the money, they were in it to be the best they can be. Look at Wipeout, they'll interview someone at the start and ask them "So why did you want to come here today?" And they'll scream into the camera" CUZ I WANNA WIN $50,000! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" Do we really want those people to be going to Japan?
Now yes i know guys like David and the other guys who have been there from the start aren't going to do that, and that the ones that are just in it for the money will probably fail, but still, if even 1 moron like that makes it to Japan, thats 1 too many in my eyes.
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Post by Oti on Jul 26, 2010 13:46:16 GMT -5
Totally agree.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 26, 2010 14:53:42 GMT -5
Sounds like if there is any problem it's with the Japanese government, not TBS or G4. Guess they should change their laws, maybe this will help them reaslise they should do something different? Heh I doubt the Japanese government would change due to money coming from a TV station in the USA... they have their own problems.. the last thing on their minds is a game show. Besides... with the amount of times they change heads of government over there.. yeah.. game show is last on their minds. Ube thanks for finding that. I spent hours trying to find that law in writing. I'm sure it's all in kanji and I couldn't find the exact wording. Sheep - agreed big time though even a free trip to Japan has brought out some nifty characters...
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jul 27, 2010 7:50:54 GMT -5
Well to me one of the biggest appeals of Sasuke was that people weren't in it for the money, they were in it to be the best they can be. Look at Wipeout, they'll interview someone at the start and ask them "So why did you want to come here today?" And they'll scream into the camera" CUZ I WANNA WIN $50,000! YEAHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!" Do we really want those people to be going to Japan? Now yes i know guys like David and the other guys who have been there from the start aren't going to do that, and that the ones that are just in it for the money will probably fail, but still, if even 1 moron like that makes it to Japan, thats 1 too many in my eyes. Agree entirely.
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Post by SRW on Jul 27, 2010 8:12:06 GMT -5
To me the show has never been about the money - the prize is the honor and achievement of beating the whole thing.
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Post by supernovamaniac on Jul 27, 2010 8:25:19 GMT -5
To me the show has never been about the money - the prize is the honor and achievement of beating the whole thing. Yet G4's trying to change that perspective by putting up a huge reward (not sure if it was intended, probably not).
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