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Post by artyfowljr on Jul 22, 2010 15:43:22 GMT -5
I hope it's just a typo, and they meant that the American that completes Sasuke with the fastest time gets the prize. It would be the least damage. EDIT: confirmed by Chris, it IS a typo, they meant complete. Thank God. Still, In my opinion it's not really fair. Why? 1- because from now a crapload of people who barely knew what Sasuke is (at least) might now want to compete just for the money. I know even people who made it to Japan didn't know about it's existance before a friend/whatever told them "Hey! Why don't you try out ANW/ANC?", but IMO it's different. They ended up competing because they tought it was interesting, nice, exciting, stuff like that. Now it will be only for the money. And, at least for me, Sasuke's never been about that. 2- because I think it's not fair for the Japanese/other countries competitors who work just as hard as Americans do, or even harder, to get crumbs compared to how much an American would win. Busy now, will add other reasons when I have time.
Just one thing - I don't expect everybody to agree with everyone else, this happens all the time here, but since this is a pretty big thing I hope it doesn't become a furious fight.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 15:46:57 GMT -5
Basically it's National bias again. If G4 wanted to trump itself as an awesome American Network and award whoever won.. irregardless of nationality.. as it should be.. THAT would be different. But this is just awarding one Nationality which goes against the creed of Sasuke. This isn't Wipeout nor it should be. People enter Sasuke for the challenge and not the money. Now it paints all the Americans in a different light simply because of the money. To everyone else around the world they do it for the pride.. now irregardless if anyone HERE believes that it's forever tainted thanks to G4. Boy.. the boards in Japan are going to explode when they hear this. I'm still bracing for the horrible backlash to the rest of the rumors if confirmed.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Jul 22, 2010 15:53:45 GMT -5
Well, didn't you (Arsenette) say there's no prize for anyone besides the Japanese for winning? So now, there's a prize for the American's who win... It kinda makes sense IMO, although the amount itself is ridiculous.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 15:58:55 GMT -5
I have something against one having something and not the other. The point of Sasuke from the beginning was never about the money. Hell.. Nagano's speech in 17 proved that motto. If M9 ups the money then so be it. If G4 ups the money and gives it to anyone who wins irregardless of National origin I wouldn't be pissed either. I'm being honest about that. Inequality based on national origin is pissing me off. Hell.. I get pissed with TBS when they invent the "New Stars vs. All-Stars" nonsense.. what about now? The world vs. the money hungry Americans.. great.. like that is everyone here. I know a lot of us here in SMF are not like that. For those who worked their a**es off the past couple of years here in the USA now they get a moniker put on them simply because of this.
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 22, 2010 16:06:33 GMT -5
So the $250,000 prize is for an American who gets Kanzenseiha not who goes the furthest?
That's fine with me. If G4 wants to do it, go ahead. It's about time there's a decent prize for the hardest "game show" in the world. I just wish M9 could've come up with it so it could be for everyone.
Besides, there's nearly a 100% chance an American won't get kanzenseiha. It's more for publicity than anything, really.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 16:07:41 GMT -5
By completes.. They better mean Kanzenseiha and not just Stage 1.. Because that's completely unfair people who never even heard of Ninja Warrior.. Much less Sasuke going to compete just for the money prize..
Much less the fact if it is for stage 1.. They get much more money just for clearing 1 4th of the competition than you win for Kanzenseiha..
I need more G4fail.mp3's just for this...
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 16:09:56 GMT -5
Chris called and got an answer. It's completes meaning wins Sasuke (all of it not just stage 1.. if you want to hear my diatribe on that one... go on the G4 boards ). It still doesn't change the fact that only one demographic gets this and the rest don't. So let's say Takeda finally wins this.. G4 won't give him crap simply because he was born in a different country. That's low.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Jul 22, 2010 16:26:35 GMT -5
-EDIT-
Ok... WOW. I misread something somewhere.
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Post by Oti on Jul 22, 2010 16:29:24 GMT -5
So if an American wins, Sasuke/M9 gives them no prize? I never knew this.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Jul 22, 2010 16:32:45 GMT -5
So if an American wins, Sasuke/M9 gives them no prize? I never knew this. Yeah, I just learned this today from Arsenette.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 16:34:06 GMT -5
Wait.. If a foreign competitor gets Kanzenseiha they don't get any prize money? WTF TBS?.. Theres so much wrong with this whole thing..
So pretty much had Lee won in 24 it'd be just like "OK, Congrats, You did it... that's it.."
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 16:38:38 GMT -5
But it's still the other way around too. What if Levi beat Sasuke his first time there? I mean, honestly... he got further than anyone else that tournament. It isn't a hard stretch to change the situation into a "What if he won?". If Levi won that time, while American's would not receive a prize, would that still be fair? I say no. -edit- However, I don't mean to imply that such a dramatically larger prize should be 100% OK though. It should be equivalent to what anyone else would make. Besides, the Taiwan competitors are still 100% locked out of a prize, and they've made it further than the American's. Where on Earth are you getting that NO one gets the money if they win? If an American won NOW they get whatever the prize money is converted into USA cash. You know.. we are in the 21st century.. they can convert money.. Same with anyone from Taiwan.. The money announced every single tournament goes to the winner.. irregardless of country origin. Period. G4's equation only applies to Americans. So if Nagano won.. he's not good enough in G4's eyes to get the $250k simply because he's Japanese.. If Levi won in 24 (provided he was there) he would get the money and the car... So I have no idea where you are getting this notion that M9/TBS won't pay someone who won Sasuke who's not a Japanese person.
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Post by TCM on Jul 22, 2010 16:40:07 GMT -5
Wait.. If a foreign competitor gets Kanzenseiha they don't get any prize money? WTF TBS?.. Theres so much wrong with this whole thing.. So pretty much had Lee won in 24 it'd be just like "OK, Congrats, You did it... that's it.." Most of us think it's all a matter of converting from Yen to whatever the foreigner's currency is, but it seems it's more complicated. I would say maybe it's why they changed from money to a car, but Japan uses the Fuga. It's closest counterpart (American at the least -- IDK anywhere else) is what we call the Infiniti M in the US.Never mind, she cleared it right up.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 16:42:20 GMT -5
When Paul Anthony Terek won a car in Sportsman #1 and the prize money he got THAT car and that amount of money. So why is everyone having issues understanding conversion rates? It's PAT's responsibility to transport that sucker home if he wanted it. Maybe someone can ask him what he did with the car
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 16:42:48 GMT -5
But it's still the other way around too. What if Levi beat Sasuke his first time there? I mean, honestly... he got further than anyone else that tournament. It isn't a hard stretch to change the situation into a "What if he won?". If Levi won that time, while American's would not receive a prize, would that still be fair? I say no. -edit- However, I don't mean to imply that such a dramatically larger prize should be 100% OK though. It should be equivalent to what anyone else would make. Besides, the Taiwan competitors are still 100% locked out of a prize, and they've made it further than the American's. Where on Earth are you getting that NO one gets the money if they win? If an American won NOW they get whatever the prize money is converted into USA cash. You know.. we are in the 21st century.. they can convert money.. Same with anyone from Taiwan.. The money announced every single tournament goes to the winner.. irregardless of country origin. Period. G4's equation only applies to Americans. So if Nagano won.. he's not good enough in G4's eyes to get the $250k simply because he's Japanese.. If Levi won in 24 (provided he was there) he would get the money and the car... So I have no idea where you are getting this notion that M9/TBS won't pay someone who won Sasuke who's not a Japanese person. Oh.. good.. I was worried about that for a minute.. Although now I want to go through G4 just so if I win I get a bigger prize (Hey.. before anyone comments I don't care about the prize.. I just want to compete)
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Post by YoDaUO on Jul 22, 2010 16:42:50 GMT -5
Huge step down in my opinion...
wow just wow..
This whole money thing may lead to bad ratings and may even give g4 and americans full control of Sauske. Sasuke isnt about money at all.
They are just doing this to draw attention i bet..
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Post by Oti on Jul 22, 2010 16:43:41 GMT -5
Good.
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Post by Ninja Chris on Jul 22, 2010 16:45:39 GMT -5
Crap... Sorry to everyone, especially Arsenette!
I misread this post:
I don't know where I got so far out of context, but I misread something. Sorry everyone!!!
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 16:48:38 GMT -5
I'm still convinced that G4 is paving the way to get ANW as the only Sasuke in the market. It's just a feeling. I have no confirmation.. just a feeling.. so the fact that they are announcing that they managed to get $250k for an American Winner is only proof to me that they are serious about taking over Sasuke. As far as M9 is concerned I'm sure they are looking at this, in this economy, as a way to turn over the license and stop Sasuke in Japan and move on to something else. Again.. IMO.
What I find amusing about this $250k is the fact that they were so damn poor in Sasuke 24 to not send American representatives to that tournament.
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Post by TCM on Jul 22, 2010 16:53:15 GMT -5
I bet you G4 isn't paying this directly. It'll be Comcast with G4's name attached to it.
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