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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 20:20:54 GMT -5
Eh.. they wouldn't do that IMO even as much as I hate G4. Though you know my furor if it didn't mean the whole course but from what Chris heard he was assured it was the whole course not just the first.
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Post by snowy on Jul 22, 2010 20:24:35 GMT -5
Given the track record, I can see why G4 wants to give this incentive, but I still think it's overkill. Maybe something like 10 or 20k would be more suitable, Americans or all." I think this is an important point, and the one that bothers me the second-most (the most being that the G4 prize is limited to Americans). It's...unseemly for G4 to hand out a prize that's approximately TEN TIMES MORE than what M9 gives a competitor for winning the whole shebang. Just ain't right.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 20:28:44 GMT -5
Like I said.. It makes me worried for the future of Sasuke with G4 having the power to do something like this..
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 21:48:38 GMT -5
Given that M9 has done little to promote Sasuke lately I think the writing on the wall is clear. Depressing thought btw. I for one refuse to watch ANW if it's not tied to Sasuke. The whole point was to field the USA team for Japan..
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 21:54:47 GMT -5
I'll watch one or two of them to see if theres a chance.. But if ANW1 was any indication it will never be the same..
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Post by arsenette on Jul 22, 2010 21:59:49 GMT -5
I'm curious how the word will be when Japan and Taiwan starts to react to this. I won't expect much for a couple weeks but so far well over 100 people in 3 hours in Japan have read it. Hasn't hit mixi yet.. that number will quadruple after that. I'm curious what the outcome will be.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 22, 2010 22:04:35 GMT -5
Well I just know it can't end well and I get the feeling soon I'll have to make G4Fail9.mp3 about this....
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Post by TCM on Jul 22, 2010 22:06:32 GMT -5
Every G4 decision has to go through Neal Tiles......I want the man gone, I seriously do, go poison a network somewhere else.
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Post by supersheep on Jul 22, 2010 22:19:38 GMT -5
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jul 22, 2010 23:49:22 GMT -5
Wait.. If a foreign competitor gets Kanzenseiha they don't get any prize money? WTF TBS?.. Theres so much wrong with this whole thing.. So pretty much had Lee won in 24 it'd be just like "OK, Congrats, You did it... that's it.." In 24, Lee said that TBS will give him 5000000 yen instead of that car if he won.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 23, 2010 0:02:48 GMT -5
Wheres your proof of this anyways?
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Post by jams on Jul 23, 2010 0:27:27 GMT -5
I think it is too soon to form opinions until all of the information is presented officially. Obviously G4 doesn't have 250k so it may be a sponsorship where the winner would have to promote energy drinks for a year or something. Stuff like that happens all the time in global competitions like the Olympics, World Cup, etc.
IMO it's not discrimination if a sponsor wants to reward someone from a specific country. I honestly don't think it would have bothered anyone if Li En Zhi had achieved Kanzenseiha in 24 and a Taiwanese company wanted to give him a bonus prize/sponsorship. I'm sure others have received incentives of some sort as well. Even if its just being invited to an event, promoted at their job, paid to do a commercial, or stock in Sasuke spray. Granted its not 250k, but its more than the creepy model guy gets.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 23, 2010 0:37:39 GMT -5
The history of Sasuke is clear. No one has received other money for winning. Akiyama sure didn't, Nagano sure didn't and Yuuji didn't (the only other perk was that car that was available to anyone who won). As for promotional stuff only the All-Stars have done anything using the Sasuke name (which is why they have the moniker in addition to being popular) and they didn't get a fee like you would here in the States. All they get are travel expenses and hotel reimbursement. They just don't have that kind of money in Japan and talentos don't even make 30k a year doing their work while the same person here doing that amount of tv appearances would have been in the hundreds of thousands if not more by now. So the issue of people having had incentives is so limited it's not even worth mentioning since it was tied to actual work (like promoting Muscle Park opening, Mr. Sasuke commercial for the game back in the early 2000's).
What G4 has said was specifically $250,000. Granted after taxes it's far less but I digress. If they meant other promotional stuff they haven't mentioned it.. they just dangled the cash today. Olympics, etc. have far more stringent rules against sponsorship because they have to abide by THEIR list of sponsors.. that's convoluted.. I'll spare ya. Still. I want to see what/if M9 even responds to this because so far it's only been announced today and via emails.
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Post by lostinube on Jul 23, 2010 1:16:21 GMT -5
Wait.. If a foreign competitor gets Kanzenseiha they don't get any prize money? WTF TBS?.. Theres so much wrong with this whole thing.. So pretty much had Lee won in 24 it'd be just like "OK, Congrats, You did it... that's it.." In 24, Lee said that TBS will give him 5000000 yen instead of that car if he won. Since the Japanese wiki says that Yuuji got the money and the car, 5 million yen would be less than the two put together because a new Fuga (known as the Infiniti M in the states I believe) costs between 3 and 6 million. Even if Yuuji only got the car, if it were fully equipped it would be higher than 5 million. Just as a note, sponsors probably play a big part in the prize money since Sportsman No. 1 used to hand out cash and car to the winners as well as cash and prizes to those in the top five. Edited to add: I don't know why I used another post to say this: Just to clarify, TBS didn't offer Lee more, they just offered him the prize money plus the low end cost of the car.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 23, 2010 1:24:13 GMT -5
Yeah the prize money and prizes in Sportsman was is no joke. I wish they had that kind of cash for Sasuke but given that Sportsman is filled with celebrities/pro athletes and more defined it's a different thing altogether. I wonder if Paul took the money or the car?
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Post by intelligentinfer on Jul 23, 2010 1:34:39 GMT -5
Wheres your proof of this anyways? Lee posted that as a reply when someone asked him how could he bring that car back to Taiwan.
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Post by jams on Jul 23, 2010 16:37:36 GMT -5
What G4 has said was specifically $250,000. Granted after taxes it's far less but I digress. If they meant other promotional stuff they haven't mentioned it.. they just dangled the cash today. Olympics, etc. have far more stringent rules against sponsorship because they have to abide by THEIR list of sponsors.. that's convoluted.. I'll spare ya. Still. I want to see what/if M9 even responds to this because so far it's only been announced today and via emails. I was using the Olympics as an example. Some countries make their gold metalists national heroes who are set financially for life, others have sponsors who put them on a cereal box, some get a goat from their village, and others just a pat on the back. Yeah Sasuke is different but I think most of the people who are ok with the money see it as the same premise. I just think its best to wait until there is more official information before we throw stones at G4 about this because right now all we have is the email (that I know of) and it lacks a ton of details. Heck the lady already had one typo, maybe she got the amount wrong too. I'm sure we'll find out more info tomorrow when they make their "special" announcement at Comic-Con, and then we can tear them apart all we want when there are more facts to base opinions on.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 23, 2010 16:40:39 GMT -5
I don't doubt the money is correct. Right now I'm a bit more pissed at M9 for allowing this to happen in their own tournament. I guess prize equality rules do not apply in Japan as they do here in the USA. Let's see what happens. I'm done with G4 though. Every decision so far has made me sick to my stomach just thinking about it.. though fault still lies in M9 for taking their money and selling whatever was left of their soul.
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Post by jams on Jul 23, 2010 16:49:21 GMT -5
I think a lot of fans would agree they hate G4 for a lot of things they have done in the past, and are sure to continue doing in the future. I personally would love to see a production company, or some rich fan, go to M9 and say "hey we have more money to invest than G4, give it to us and we wont ruin your show" but I guess that's something for another topic.
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Post by arsenette on Jul 23, 2010 19:11:24 GMT -5
Aaahahahaha we've said that for a while when we finally got our hands on the original broadcasts. Since then I think that's why this board has grown moreso than the G4 boards. That on top of actually seeing it in a reasonable amount of time Btw I took a night's break from the G4 boards and was pleasantly surprised to see a well thought out counter argument. I thought it would be a good read for everyone here as well: forums.g4tv.com/showpost.php?p=2608004&postcount=8
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