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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 17:34:38 GMT -5
Arsenette, I know you have sort of "secret insider information" but you're not M9 nor were you there, so you probably shouldn't talk like you know more than someone who was a part of the whole ordeal, just sayin'. And the FB hardly reflects the majority of viewership. The only people who are pissed are the die hard ninja warrior fans obviously. The only people on the FB are probably the die hard fans anyway. And a lot of the people on FB are misinformed. There are tons of people that don't even realize this is a qualifer to get onto Sasuke... so I would hardly even call their opinions valid. a) Getting it from someone who directly got it from the horses mouth in the offices is enough for me. Especially since the specific question was asked and a clear answer was given. Geez. Enough already I'm aware you can't stand I even have this information at all. I'm aware of that hate. I'm aware you are friends with Ulti. Nothing changes the facts from M9's point of view of that specific incident. Get over it. b) FB people are just as much have the right to complain about programming as anyone else. Same as the individuals from Twitter and the ones from the G4 boards and the other boards that if you google have their own sections for obstacle course shows. Given the NW FB are usually the most vocal supporters of anything G4 and to NW as a whole (the G4 version) they have the right to complain just as much as they have the right to adore the show. It's a preference and right now they are losing viewers because of the structure of bootcamp. Most agree that prelims and semi's was cool and as soon as boot camp started the outrage began. Hell.. wait for next week when they find out none of the Japanese competitors will be shown until March. LOL
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 17:43:12 GMT -5
Arsenette, I know you have sort of "secret insider information" but you're not M9 nor were you there, so you probably shouldn't talk like you know more than someone who was a part of the whole ordeal, just sayin'. And the FB hardly reflects the majority of viewership. The only people who are pissed are the die hard ninja warrior fans obviously. The only people on the FB are probably the die hard fans anyway. And a lot of the people on FB are misinformed. There are tons of people that don't even realize this is a qualifer to get onto Sasuke... so I would hardly even call their opinions valid. a) Getting it from someone who directly got it from the horses mouth in the offices is enough for me. Especially since the specific question was asked and a clear answer was given. Geez. Enough already I'm aware you can't stand I even have this information at all. I'm aware of that hate. I'm aware you are friends with Ulti. Nothing changes the facts from M9's point of view of that specific incident. Get over it. b) FB people are just as much have the right to complain about programming as anyone else. Same as the individuals from Twitter and the ones from the G4 boards and the other boards that if you google have their own sections for obstacle course shows. Given the NW FB are usually the most vocal supporters of anything G4 and to NW as a whole (the G4 version) they have the right to complain just as much as they have the right to adore the show. It's a preference and right now they are losing viewers because of the structure of bootcamp. Most agree that prelims and semi's was cool and as soon as boot camp started the outrage began. Hell.. wait for next week when they find out none of the Japanese competitors will be shown until March. LOL Then again, a lot of them still agree it was better than last years final. At least the ones I've talked to anyway. And Ulti technically didn't break any rules. He was one of David's guests. So really there should be no reason why they'd be mad. They have guests lists and he was on it. I don't care if you have that information, I don't "hate" it as you say... and I've hardly even spoken to Aaron so I wouldn't really call him my "friend". I'm not defending him out of bias or anything.
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 17:47:46 GMT -5
By "they" do you mean M9? Because when I paoned him out and said he was my friend, they said. "Oh sure of course", let him in and never said another word about it (other than making sure he signed an NDA) They even let him hang out and watch stage 3 and 4 after most people had left. So maybe there is some confusion about the definition of the word "pissed" I don't know? Where are you getting your information about M9 being pissed? Because they didn't show it at all, quite the opposite.
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Post by penguincatfish on Dec 16, 2010 17:49:03 GMT -5
I think this thread should just be updated to include the last two days of Boot Camp since I don't think there's going to be much more discussion besides on what people think about the Survivor/teams thing.
With picking who gets eliminated, basically, do well and you're probably not going to be picked. At least the two that are chosen have a chance to try some kind of challenge to save themselves instead of one person instantly going home like with Survivor and shows like it.
But I think it would work better without the teams, which is what I was hoping for, since you could've had someone who was the worst that day and even subsequent days, but if the rest of their team picked up the slack to make up for their performance then they basically get to sail by.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 17:51:09 GMT -5
I defend ANW2 prelims and semi's. Outside of the stupid WW fastest rule I really enjoyed ANW2's qualifying (the parts in Venice Beach). It was HUGELY better than last year.. Last year the production value was horrible.. hell.. I even muted it and watched what I could since I wanted to see the board members, etc. I like cheering for people It was boot camp that people have the strongest opinions. If you like Survivor that's great.. but if you don't.. you are part of the growing group of discontented people that would have preferred G4 not take NW into. There's no reason to turn NW into Survivor. Most of us enjoy the fact that NW ISN'T that show.. G4 did a bad miscalculation on how they handled the format of the final. Ulti did not break rules at the last second and no he wasn't on the list originally. But the potential breach and the events leading up to it was enough to get M9's attention. He didn't start out being someone's guest and that is the part that was alarming to them in retrospect. And no I didn't bring it to their attention... G4's story about Ulti was staggering to them when it was brought to their attention by another fan in another part of the world. Seems quite a few people from various countries around the world wanted to duplicate the stunt... So steps were made to cut the possibility of them hoping on to television stations like JET (at the time), and G4. All others they control since they are local. Those breaches coming from individual competitors would be dealt with accordingly.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 17:53:21 GMT -5
By "they" do you mean M9? Because when I paoned him out and said he was my friend, they said. "Oh sure of course", let him in and never said another word about it (other than making sure he signed an NDA) They even let him hang out and watch stage 3 and 4 after most people had left. So maybe there is some confusion about the definition of the word "pissed" I don't know? Where are you getting your information about M9 being pissed? Because they didn't show it at all, quite the opposite. The conversations occurred a couple months after Sasuke 22. Not during the event. From what I hear the staff there are pretty courteous and anyone tied to G4 was G4's problem to handle if anything was out of line. And it wasn't at the time since by that point you took care of Ulti when he got there. And yes it was M9 that was asked directly.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 17:58:01 GMT -5
I think this thread should just be updated to include the last two days of Boot Camp since I don't think there's going to be much more discussion besides on what people think about the Survivor/teams thing. Cool just updated the information for Wednesday's show. Seems the last of the Bootcamp will be 2 hours: Wednesday, December 22, 2010 8:00 PM American Ninja Warrior Season 2 (Part 7) - Boot Camp from the California Mountains, Day 3 9:00 PM American Ninja Warrior Season 2 (Part 8) - Boot Camp from the California Mountains, Day 4
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 18:19:06 GMT -5
The thing that was BS about the semifinal and some of the pressure challenges and such (like the one I lost) are small details about the rules that you don't think about 'till after the fact, and the crew doesn't explain before the competition.
This should be considered advice to everyone at the next ANW, ASK QUESTIONS! Make sure you completely understand all the rules about every what if situation that can occur. Because s**t happens! Cunfusion about rules kept me out of the top 10 in ANW1, caused me to lose the pressure challenge at boot camp, and caused MANY top competitors that deserved to be in the top 15 to be eliminated in the ANW2 semifinals.
Let me explain:
If you watch the ANW2 semifinals the host talk as if we know they are timing us to the warped wall. We were told "farthest the fastest" which most of us assumed meant that if you failed half way up the salmon ladder that would hands down beat someone what couldn't do the salmon ladder at all. If William Spencer for example had known the rules I'm sure he could have set a much faster time to the warped wall and been in the top 15.
Michael Hengelbrock was eliminated on the ANW2 steps because he touched the ramp with his hand and THOUGHT he was disqualified when he actually wasn't, and mistakenly walked off the course!
In ANW1 finals I touched the sand which was never explained to be off limits and disqualified.
In the boot camp rope pressure challenge, they actually gave us 2 attempts at it. They said it was fasted across the finish line, which was a 3 foot wide board on the ground, but never mentioned how it would be judged if people failed. In my first attempt I couldn't get my swing lined up with the finish line and spent a long time moving around trying to find a line (hard to explain). I finally got lined up and crossed the finish, but as I did my foot grazed the ground. On my second run I crossed the finish line much faster and did land on the far side of the finish line, but I was slightly to the left and behind the finish line (in stead of directly behind it) and was disqualified (again an unstated rule). Had they explained that the ropes were numbered and the fastest to the "6th rope" would win, I could have easily gotten there in like 2 seconds and at least come in 2nd place, and made sure to land directly on the far side of the line.
After this happened through the rest of the boot camp I asked tons of questions before every challenge and refused to compete 'till it was all explained to everyone very clearly, which really annoyed them, but it prevented any more confusion and made them do their jobs better. (them being the 3rd party non G4 non Smith n co. Judges...same ones from ANW1)
So yeah ask questions and make sure you understand all the rules, it can mean the different between going to Japan, and watching Japan from the couch!
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 18:23:29 GMT -5
I think this thread should just be updated to include the last two days of Boot Camp since I don't think there's going to be much more discussion besides on what people think about the Survivor/teams thing. With picking who gets eliminated, basically, do well and you're probably not going to be picked. At least the two that are chosen have a chance to try some kind of challenge to save themselves instead of one person instantly going home like with Survivor and shows like it. But I think it would work better without the teams, which is what I was hoping for, since you could've had someone who was the worst that day and even subsequent days, but if the rest of their team picked up the slack to make up for their performance then they basically get to sail by. Yes this was the main problem with teams.....but it was kinda self rectifying because as other teams lose their weak links and become stronger, it becomes more difficult to pick up that slack.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 18:27:09 GMT -5
After this happened through the rest of the boot camp I asked tons of questions before every challenge and refused to compete 'till it was all explained to everyone very clearly, which really annoyed them, but it prevented any more confusion and made them do their jobs better. (them being the 3rd party non G4 non Smith n co. Judges...same ones from ANW1) So yeah ask questions and make sure you understand all the rules, it can mean the different between going to Japan, and watching Japan from the couch! Bravo for asking questions David Sucks there was a lot of miscommunication. I was was cringing in the semi's and figured that some of them didn't get the WW rule.. sucks so many people missed out. Anyone want to take a stab at an amended Semi's list? I'm curious who would have gotten to the final if it was success/failure at the Salmon Ladder rather than WW top...
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 18:30:49 GMT -5
Though it's not completely negative. There were people like Brent Steffenson that turned out to be really talented that didn't reach the Salmon Ladder, so there were good things that came out of it too.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 18:38:54 GMT -5
Though it's not completely negative. There were people like Brent Steffenson that turned out to be really talented that didn't reach the Salmon Ladder, so there were good things that came out of it too. Even so I did enjoy the Venice beach stuff. MUCH better production and the fact they even HAD the salmon ladder was a huge plus I'd still like to see a list though.. I had a prelim list in my head watching what G4 showed us.. SUUUUUUUUCKS about Michael though They didn't show him right?
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Post by The Chief on Dec 16, 2010 18:45:37 GMT -5
Hey, David, did you tell Travis that he had to take the heaviest boulder? Or did he do that on his own?
2nd thing, did you ever get mad at your teammates runs?
Anyway, does anyone thing that there is a possibility that the ANW runs will be aired on TBS in that first special on the 28th? It wouldn't spoil the Americans runs(at least the ones that didn't clear). I mean, it IS airing in American primetime.
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 18:58:44 GMT -5
Hey David, did you tell Travis that he had to take the heaviest boulder? Or did he do that on his own? 2nd thing, did you ever get mad at your teammates runs? 1. Well when they told us about the boulders "I kinda looked over at him and he just rolled his eyes and said "Yeah I know!" haha He's the tallest and heaviest and as far as brute strength for lifting heavy stuff is the strongest, so it was an obvious choice. 2. No the Red Dragons were very positive and supportive of each other regardless of how well or poorly we did. This was one of our strengths I think. If someone fails they obviously didn't do it on purpose and feel worse about it themselves than you do, so what's the point of being mad?
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Post by davidcampbell on Dec 16, 2010 19:02:30 GMT -5
I didn't record it, so maybe someone can review tape of the semi-finals and time it to each rung of the salmon ladder and give us a list.
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Post by Ninja Warrior Ryan on Dec 16, 2010 20:12:08 GMT -5
1: David what did you all do in your all's free time at camp?
2: Was the water still dirty when you all drank it.
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 20:34:38 GMT -5
Arsenette: The WW rule seems a bit silly, but how else would you have done it? If it was based soley on who got the "furthest" someone could've taken 45 minutes to get to the salmon ladder, get up a few rungs, and then get into the top 15.
The only real thing they should've done differently is obviously make the ruling CLEAR to the competitors beforehand. If they would've done that I don't think it's much of a problem.
I mean, the rule makes sense, and I honestly can't think of a better one.
Can you?
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Post by quasikoz on Dec 16, 2010 20:35:43 GMT -5
I'm actually enjoying the boot camp. I don't like how it turned into a reality show with Warrior Necklaces or whatever the hell they were supposed to be. But, having all those obstacles there and having the competitors run them through seems to be a well thought out challenge. I love the rope climb elimination (if you can't climb the rope, you sure as hell ain't winning Sasuke). But having a camp like that is INVALUABLE. If it comes back next year, I'm sure they'll improve the format.
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Post by arsenette on Dec 16, 2010 21:04:47 GMT -5
Arsenette: The WW rule seems a bit silly, but how else would you have done it? If it was based soley on who got the "furthest" someone could've taken 45 minutes to get to the salmon ladder, get up a few rungs, and then get into the top 15. The only real thing they should've done differently is obviously make the ruling CLEAR to the competitors beforehand. If they would've done that I don't think it's much of a problem. I mean, the rule makes sense, and I honestly can't think of a better one. Can you? Actually going by what David said alone I agree with his sense. Personally a LOT would be helped if there was an actual TIME LIMIT.. That alone puts the fear of God in you.. ask anyone who was in Sasuke and ask them about Stage 2 You haul butt on that Salmon ladder.. LOL
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Post by Badalight on Dec 16, 2010 21:06:15 GMT -5
Yeah but... with the current format of not having a time limit, I'm not sure of what else they could've done.
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