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Post by exactaabdillah on Jan 26, 2023 10:32:03 GMT -5
Inui said that he's thinking on adding/replacing 1 obstacle at 1st stage and 3 obstacles at 3rd stage. What do you think will be good additions for those stages? Could be from past competitions, overseas spin-offs, or even new concept altogether.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 26, 2023 11:22:07 GMT -5
If that's the case, then my main queston is why? Just why? Specifically, why would you only replace one obstacle on by far the stalest stage on the course that's basically been identical for 5 years now and that was cleared by well over 20 competitors, while buffing an already notoriously OP Stage 3? Seriously, we've only just got to the point now where other competitors are starting to break through, and now he's going to put everyone else back to square 1, while Yusuke is still going to clear and then subsequently Kanzen. Back to predictability central. Also, I presume this means no Stage 2 changes, which I would honestly be kinda ok with given how it was fairly tough last time round, but the fact he's still keeping the Nobori/Kudari despite 23/23 clears on the obstacle is ridiculous, and further proof that even with a stronger budget, he'll just prioritise the wrong changes while keeping the stalest obstacles stale.
I presume, or at least hope the one Stage 1 replacement will be that of the Silk Slider. The Rolling Hill isn't going after Ryo failing it, while Inui loves the Fish Bone and Dragon Glider too much to get rid of them, especially as they still do a decent amount of damage, even if said damage mostly comprises of joke competitors. Silk Slider is the clear weak link here, just adds nothing in terms of difficulty or excitement to the stage; sure, Iketani failed it, but if anything that proves how badly he's dropped off more than anything else, lol.
For Stage 3, if Inui does indeed honour what he said about three changes (which I seriously hope not), my prediction is the Flying Bar, Cliffhanger, and Vertical Limit. The Dimension and VL will get buffed, which is somewhat unsurprising given that after similar levels success on the UCCH we got a new variant, while the VL had 4/5 clears and has been around for like 9 tournaments by this point, so in both cases he's given himself enough of an 'excuse' to modify them. What that will comprise of I have no idea, I just hope nothing like an extra 180 transition or more moving or rotating ledges, or even worse a more RNG based approach as that's flat out unfair lol. No idea what the Flying Bar will be replaced with, but it's the only other option as the Spinning Sidewinder and Swing Edge were only introduced recently, while the Pipe Slider has just been buffed, and all are doing a fair amount of damage as a result, so I doubt they'll get further modifications as that just seems unwarranted (as though an even harder Cliffhanger is justified, but oh well....). The Flying Bar's had like one fail on it in the last four tournaments, so it's the logical decision.
That said, buffing Stage 3 to that degree is in and of itself the antithesis of 'logical', especially another Cliffhanger modification that no one asked for, so anything's possible lol.
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Post by exactaabdillah on Jan 26, 2023 11:42:29 GMT -5
Yeah, no clue why he's set to only replace 1 obstacle at 1st stage while it is the stage that really in dire need of changes because of staleness and predictability. Also buffing stage 3 further would probably hurt the ratings. 40 was so exciting because progress were finally been made by anyone that's not named Morimoto Yusuke, and imo having too hard of a stage with no chance of clearing will be detrimental to the entertainment (and ratings) for me.
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Post by brz0ny on Jan 26, 2023 12:00:52 GMT -5
Well that is amazing if it happens! Now obviously it could all go very wrong, and by 3 obstacles he might mean making Cliffhanger and Vertical Limit harder as 2 obstacles, but if the third obstacle and one First Stage obstacle are good, we could finally see some changes for good.
As for Dakohosu, I dont think we should look at the changes that way. We rarely get anything, so whenever we get something we should take it.
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 26, 2023 14:13:03 GMT -5
As for Dakohosu, I dont think we should look at the changes that way. We rarely get anything, so whenever we get something we should take it. Just because something exists doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye to the plethora of issues associated with it, nor do you automatically have to agree that its addition is beneficial or worthwhile. By that logic, you shouldn't criticise the Sasuke 40 Trials either. Was I glad we got them instead of not? Sure. Do I think they did a good job and benefitted the actual tournament? Absolutely not. It's no different here. Granted, I am glad about the fact that there will be a new Stage 1 obstacle, though given that the last two changes were the Silk Slider and Double Warped Wall, I think it's within my right to reserve judgment until I see what it is. But I don't think we should automatically have to be pleased with the presence of a few changes regardless, when said changes are mostly on Stage 3, which would likely serve to bring us back to square 1 when it comes to everyone else failing the Cliffhanger and Yusuke still predictably clearing Stages 3 and 4, especially after 40's results felt like such a breath of fresh air compared to previous tournaments. It's also fairly obvious that the Cliffhanger and VL will be modified given that there are only 6 obstacles, 3 of which have been recently buffed/added, with the Cliffhanger and VL being two of the remaining 3 that haven't, the Flying Bar being the third. The Flying Bar replacement would genuinely be pretty exciting to see, but I'm not going to lie and say that I'll 'take' a Cliffhanger or Vertical Limit modification just because they're there. Completely unnecessary imo. Would you 'take' a rotating Cliffhanger ledge, or a set of RNG moving ledges? Not that we have a choice, obviously, but I'd certainly rather not have a modification than a a broken and/or unfair addition, which as the Dimension showed is a genuine possibility, lol. I'm not trying to be pessimistic on purpose, more I just feel that there are a lot of alternative approaches Inui could take with his given budget to change or modify the current course, but his priorities are questionable to say the least. Him modifying the course for the next tournament, while exciting on some level, doesn't change that fact. |
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Post by brz0ny on Jan 26, 2023 14:24:36 GMT -5
As for Dakohosu, I dont think we should look at the changes that way. We rarely get anything, so whenever we get something we should take it. Just because something exists doesn't mean you should turn a blind eye to the plethora of issues associated with it, nor do you automatically have to agree that its addition is beneficial or worthwhile. By that logic, you shouldn't criticise the Sasuke 40 Trials either. Was I glad we got them instead of not? Sure. Do I think they did a good job and benefitted the actual tournament? Absolutely not. It's no different here. Granted, I am glad about the fact that there will be a new Stage 1 obstacle, though given that the last two changes were the Silk Slider and Double Warped Wall, I think it's within my right to reserve judgment until I see what it is. But I don't think we should automatically have to be pleased with the presence of a few changes regardless, when said changes are mostly on Stage 3, which would likely serve to bring us back to square 1 when it comes to everyone else failing the Cliffhanger and Yusuke still predictably clearing Stages 3 and 4, especially after 40's results felt like such a breath of fresh air compared to previous tournaments. It's also fairly obvious that the Cliffhanger and VL will be modified given that there are only 6 obstacles, 3 of which have been recently buffed/added, with the Cliffhanger and VL being two of the remaining 3 that haven't, the Flying Bar being the third. The Flying Bar replacement would genuinely be pretty exciting to see, but I'm not going to lie and say that I'll 'take' a Cliffhanger or Vertical Limit modification just because they're there. Completely unnecessary imo. Would you 'take' a rotating Cliffhanger ledge, or a set of RNG moving ledges? Not that we have a choice, obviously, but I'd certainly rather not have a modification than a a broken and/or unfair addition, which as the Dimension showed is a genuine possibility, lol. I'm not trying to be pessimistic on purpose, more I just feel that there are a lot of alternative approaches Inui could take with his given budget to change or modify the current course, but his priorities are questionable to say the least. Him modifying the course for the next tournament, while exciting on some level, doesn't change that fact. Yeah I guess youre right. Im just hoping he will actually do something right for once. |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 26, 2023 14:41:37 GMT -5
Yeah I guess youre right. Im just hoping he will actually do something right for once. You and me both dude. You and me both. I'm pessimistic because we've been disappointed a fair number of times over the last few years in terms of course changes, but don't get me wrong, I'd love nothing more than to be proven completely idiotically wrong. |
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Post by subtleagent on Jan 26, 2023 21:14:52 GMT -5
You'd think 23/23 clears would motivate Inui to replace the Nobori/Kudari, but doesn't look like that'll be happening.
Stage 3 just doesn't need to be touched, it's fine as is. The Cliff Dimension is already hard enough and the first half is finally a threat again.
Stage 2 and 3's previous problems have just crept their way into Stage 1 and manifested themselves in even more irritating ways. Dragon Glider unbalancing the stage, lack of changes with a pathetically lenient time limit, overall lack of innovation. It just needs a make over desperately.
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Post by transgenderserena on Jan 27, 2023 13:08:54 GMT -5
You'd think 23/23 clears would motivate Inui to replace the Nobori/Kudari, but doesn't look like that'll be happening. Stage 3 just doesn't need to be touched, it's fine as is. The Cliff Dimension is already hard enough and the first half is finally a threat again. Stage 2 and 3's previous problems have just crept their way into Stage 1 and manifested themselves in even more irritating ways. Dragon Glider unbalancing the stage, lack of changes with a pathetically lenient time limit, overall lack of innovation. It just needs a make over desperately. Speaking of the first part of Stage 3, how did no one fail the drum hopper, looks brutal on the hands |
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Post by brz0ny on Jan 27, 2023 14:01:35 GMT -5
You'd think 23/23 clears would motivate Inui to replace the Nobori/Kudari, but doesn't look like that'll be happening. Stage 3 just doesn't need to be touched, it's fine as is. The Cliff Dimension is already hard enough and the first half is finally a threat again. Stage 2 and 3's previous problems have just crept their way into Stage 1 and manifested themselves in even more irritating ways. Dragon Glider unbalancing the stage, lack of changes with a pathetically lenient time limit, overall lack of innovation. It just needs a make over desperately. Speaking of the first part of Stage 3, how did no one fail the drum hopper, looks brutal on the hands Because even when some competitors end up almost falling, they are allowed to grab it so they dont fall (look at Hioki in tournament the obstacle was introduced in). |
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Post by dakohosu on Jan 27, 2023 14:34:30 GMT -5
Speaking of the first part of Stage 3, how did no one fail the drum hopper, looks brutal on the hands Because even when some competitors end up almost falling, they are allowed to grab it so they dont fall (look at Hioki in tournament the obstacle was introduced in). It's pretty much impossible to miss the drums unless they're actually pretty far apart, which they weren't. They said 4 feet (1.2m) between each pair of drums but that must've been between the centrepoints of them, it looked more like 2 feet between the edges of them. All you had to do was swing a bit and put your hands a little bit out in front of you. And yeah as you mentioned even if you make a dodgy transition, you can basically just put your elbows over the drums and muscle back up. I think the biggest issue with the obstacle is that it's almost impossible to make it genuinely difficult without it becoming dangerous. I liked the idea of having each pair of drums a bit higher than the last like in the case of the Kai, but 10cm isn't much, but make it any higher and you risk banging your elbows pretty badly if you don't get enough height. Slipping as well can be pretty dangerous, like when Anastase slipped in 32 he looked like he narrowly avoided screwing his shoulder. Maybe they should've organised the obstacle's height such that if you slip you can easily skim the water with your foot. |
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Jan 27, 2023 22:26:09 GMT -5
Because even when some competitors end up almost falling, they are allowed to grab it so they dont fall (look at Hioki in tournament the obstacle was introduced in). It's pretty much impossible to miss the drums unless they're actually pretty far apart, which they weren't. They said 4 feet (1.2m) between each pair of drums but that must've been between the centrepoints of them, it looked more like 2 feet between the edges of them. All you had to do was swing a bit and put your hands a little bit out in front of you. And yeah as you mentioned even if you make a dodgy transition, you can basically just put your elbows over the drums and muscle back up. I think the biggest issue with the obstacle is that it's almost impossible to make it genuinely difficult without it becoming dangerous. I liked the idea of having each pair of drums a bit higher than the last like in the case of the Kai, but 10cm isn't much, but make it any higher and you risk banging your elbows pretty badly if you don't get enough height. Slipping as well can be pretty dangerous, like when Anastase slipped in 32 he looked like he narrowly avoided screwing his shoulder. Maybe they should've organised the obstacle's height such that if you slip you can easily skim the water with your foot. Lol imagine it being possible to touch the water on Stage 3, that would be a first. |
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