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Post by dakohosu on Nov 20, 2022 17:18:27 GMT -5
So in anticipation for the 25th anniversary/40th tournament I thought I'd make a tier list for the first 39 tournaments, similar to how sasukewarrior333 is doing a retrospective on all 39 tournaments. I am clearly not as committed as he is, so a tier list suffices. Feel free to write yours below too. For reference I'm going with S, A, B, C, D, F as my tiers.
Here are mine with a quick sentence for a few of the unpopular opinions:
1 - B
2 - C - Fine tournament, but imo inherited the worst parts of each of the other three. Sasuke 4's editing without the results, and Sasuke 1's difficulty without its charm.
3 - B
4 - A
5 - A
6 - B
7 - B
8 - S
9 - C
10 - A - Probably an unpopular opinion but I loved Stage 1's massacre, as well as a few unexpected redemption runs, and Yamada's last stand
11 - A
12 - S
13 - C - Very regressive compared to 12 in terms of results for seemingly no reason, is definitely a bit of a nothing tournament between 12 and 14 imo
14 - A
15 - B
16 - A - A lot of people hate 16 but I don't get why. It had a funky Stage 1, the first Stage 2 in a long time that beared its teeth, and some decent progression and drama on Stage 3
17 - S
18 - B - Great renewal but felt more like a prototype with a lot of cut corners; for every great new obstacle there was also a terrible one.
19 - C - I know this was the point of the tournament, but there being no runs to get actually excited about really taints this for me. The new course was brilliant and addressed 18's biggest weaknesses, but it was just too f***ing hard and the difficulty spike after only 6 Stage 1 clears was really not necessary imo.
20 - D - Similarly underwhelming results to 19 without the shock factor, also I'm not the biggest fan of Levi lol
21 - B
22 - A - Honestly convinced people don't like this tournament due to All-Star bias. I mean we have a new Stage 1 obstacle, four breakout runs from some of the most prolific competitors of that era, and the first glimpse of the Final attempted by none other than the future two-time champion; what's not to like, besides some odd editing, but even there at least most worthy competitors got shown? I also think the All-Stars performing poorly if anything was an unexpected shock, rather than an automatic ticket to C-tier and below like some people think.
23 - A
24 - S - Easily the most unexpected Kanzen we've ever seen. The way everyone thought it was going to be Nagano which left us biting our nails right until the Final Stage with five competitors, really consolidated this tournament as one of my top three. Great editing too.
25 - A
26 - F - Terrible editing, spoiled results, runs shown out of order, need I go on?
27 - C - Felt way too forced due to the nerfed course, and the editing wasn't much better than 26's imo
28 - F - Don't think I need to explain this one
29 - D - Backstream controversy, Yusuke controversy, and the dumb timer on Stage 3; I don't mind a quirk here and there but collectively these were all too egregious to ignore
30 - B
31 - A - Great course and mix of results, only let down by the Kanzen being spoiled 20 minutes early and some baffling Sasuke 4-level editing decisions
32 - C - Not as terrible for me as some people make it out to be. The only thing I didn't like were the All-Star treatments and the bad handling of the weather, but there were a lot of surprising shock fails and some unexpected successes. The course renewal was also pretty stellar.
33 - F - Bland tournament. Samey and regressive results and unwarranted buff to Stage 3 that basically ended the tournament before it even began.
34 - D - Similar to 33 in that the fact that you knew the tournament was going to end on the UCCH+VLK combo ruined it for me
35 - B
36 - A
37 - A - So many unexpected fails and successes throughout the entirety of the tournament. Didn't like it at first but it's really grown on me, and if anything proves that a slightly easier Stage 3 can actually be a good thing.
38 - D - apart from Stage 2, nothing I liked about this tournament. Horrendous editing, a nerfed Stage 1 that drew out its runtime way too much, and by far the most predictable Stages 3 and 4 I've ever watched live with Yusuke's Kanzen spoiled from a mile away.
39 - D - the last few runs being screwed over by rain was plain unfair, Stage 1 lasted even longer than in 38 with more joke competitor focus, while Stage 2's nerf once again made the stage a complete clearfest slog. Stage 3 was somewhat exciting but was still let down by Tada's result being spoiled in the trailer and the Final Stage being teased with no one making it that far.
40 - A - would have easily been high-S for the results alone, this finally felt like the tournament where competitors other than Yusuke started to break through, and so much history was made across the board. However I have to be fair and bump it considerably down for the editing, which inherited a lot of 38-39's biggest issues and failing to cover a few potentially exciting stories.
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Nov 20, 2022 18:03:28 GMT -5
I promise to come back to this once I'm doing with reviewing every tournament!
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Post by zoran on Nov 20, 2022 20:26:03 GMT -5
Why is E tier never included in tier lists?
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Post by subtleagent on Nov 20, 2022 20:31:04 GMT -5
S - 4, 5, 8, 14, 17, 19, 23, 24, 25, 36
A - 3, 11, 12, 18, 21, 22, 31
B - 9, 15, 16, 20, 27, 35
C - 1, 2, 6, 7, 10, 30, 32, 37
D - 13, 38, 39
F - 26, 28, 29, 33, 34
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 21, 2022 10:13:13 GMT -5
Why is E tier never included in tier lists? In my school we never had E as a grade, went from A* to D and then U for ungradable. But F is more appropriate for/synonymous with the shitshow tournaments. |
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Post by ahzoo on Nov 21, 2022 13:46:01 GMT -5
I'll admit, I find the ordinary S, A, D tiers to be awfully underdescriptive and so vague as to be meaningless, so here is my tier-list, based around more concrete boxes that I'd put all of the tournaments into:
Cream of the Crop - 8, 12, 16, 25
All-Time Greats - 4, 11, 14, 15, 17
Fun Watches - 21, 22, 24, 30, 31, 36
Underrated - 5, 9, 13, 27, 35, 37
Mixed Bag - 1, 18, 38
Bad, but not Unsalvageable - 2, 3, 6, 39
Tainted - 7, 10, 20, 23
Aged Like Fine Milk - 19, 33, 34
How Not To Do SASUKE - 26, 28, 29, 32
As for why 23 is a "tainted" tournament, one thing: 45s.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 21, 2022 20:23:32 GMT -5
I'll admit, I find the ordinary S, A, D tiers to be awfully underdescriptive and so vague as to be meaningless, so here is my tier-list, based around more concrete boxes that I'd put all of the tournaments into:
Cream of the Crop - 8, 12, 16, 25
All-Time Greats - 4, 11, 14, 15, 17
Fun Watches - 21, 22, 24, 30, 31, 36
Underrated - 5, 9, 13, 27, 35, 37
Mixed Bag - 1, 18, 38
Bad, but not Unsalvageable - 2, 3, 6, 39
Tainted - 7, 10, 20, 23
Aged Like Fine Milk - 19, 33, 34
How Not To Do SASUKE - 26, 28, 29, 32
As for why 23 is a "tainted" tournament, one thing: 45s.
Someone who likes 16 as much (well technically more but still) as I do. I’ve regularly seen tier lists rank 16 as the worst up to that point calling it D-tier but I’ve never understood why. It had a great course, great results, great editing, yet it’s often ranked as only one tier above 26 and 28 (eg the most offensive way I could describe this perspective). |
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Post by azn on Nov 21, 2022 22:03:41 GMT -5
Why is E tier never included in tier lists? Just gonna quickly change that w/ my list ----------------------------------------------------------- S (Top Tier) - 5, 8, 11, 12, 17 A (Great, but not Perfect) - 4, 16, 23, 24, 37 B (Fine enough, just not great) - 3, 6, 14, 18, 22, 25, 30, 31, 40 C (Mid) - 1, 2, 7, 13, 15, 19, 20, 21, 27, 35, 36, 38, 39 D (Passable, but not one to be proud of)- 9, 32, 34 E (Terrible, just not an abomination)- 10, 29 F (An Abomination)- 26, 28, 33 Edit: After some delibiration, I dropped 25 down a tier Edit 2: Yup, 40 for me is a B tier tournament. It is a lot better than SK30 (which by the way I dropped to B tier after rewatching it and realized how much it screamed second best), but for every fun or Kane and Shingo moment, we had horrific, soulless editing, and an equally soulless course. No amount of high clear rates or high end talent changes that opinion of mine... I also really need to limit myself from quoting UTree this is getting ridiculous now |
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Post by YourResidentKojiFan on Nov 21, 2022 23:53:26 GMT -5
So, I agree with what seems to be the consensus here, so I'm just gonna go the other way and make a tier list that I think would have people questioning my sanity if I didn't state it was a joke.
S- 26, 28, 29, 33, 34
A- 19, 20, 32, 38
B- 2, 13, 18, 27, 39
C- 1, 3, 6, 7, 9, 21, 31, 35, 36
D- 4, 10, 11, 14, 15, 22, 23, 37
F- 5, 8, 12, 16, 17, 24, 25, 30
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 22, 2022 5:52:04 GMT -5
Honestly looking through the old Sasuke 33 thread I’ve seen most people giving it a 7/10. Yet everyone seems to hate it now; myself included but I never liked it initially.
It seems to have aged like fine milk quoting ahzoo, what went wrong for 33 over time?
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Post by ahzoo on Nov 22, 2022 6:44:53 GMT -5
Honestly looking through the old Sasuke 33 thread I’ve seen most people giving it a 7/10. Yet everyone seems to hate it now; myself included but I never liked it initially. It seems to have aged like fine milk quoting ahzoo, what went wrong for 33 over time? Funnily enough, I had already written a fairly in-depth dissection of this exact thing in another thread [https://sasukemaniac.proboards.com/thread/9096/worst-best-tournament for the curious], but TLDR, every single thing that we have now gone to to associate with this tournament was rather totally exposed to have been an overwhelmingly bad idea within the course of the tounament, which conspired to kill any enjoyment out of the tournament the moment the initial shock factor of such a massacre wore out, and the very few bright spots remaining that we may have clung to at the time in order to even somewhat vindicate it have since been exposed to have been so unimaginably horrible and evil as to make many of us wish they had never have come into being. As such, good luck finding anybody who would defend this tournament anymore, as it, far more than 32, can really be argued to be the definition of everything wrong with the early post-RISING days, and the only things that it has to give us anymore are simply a bad, if not outright traumatic memory. |
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Post by azn on Nov 22, 2022 10:40:08 GMT -5
Honestly looking through the old Sasuke 33 thread I’ve seen most people giving it a 7/10. Yet everyone seems to hate it now; myself included but I never liked it initially. It seems to have aged like fine milk quoting ahzoo, what went wrong for 33 over time? That to me is genuinely surprising to me, that people gave it that high. Ahzoo pretty much summed it up well but I do have one positive about the tournament. The three stages in this tournament were really aesthetically pleasing, especially the third stage (imo, the best looking third stage ever produced) |
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 22, 2022 14:54:27 GMT -5
To be honest I think every tournament is a ‘7/10’ right after it airs. A brand new tournament is never rated too low because of the excitement associated with said new tournament airing once/twice a year, but never rated too highly because of how unrealistic some of the guessing games tend to be which almost always leads to disappointment.
But then when the hype dies down and you actually sit down and think about the tournament in the grand scheme of the era and compared to recent tournaments in terms of progression and impact then you see things a lot more clearly.
I found 37 really disappointing initially because I was unrealistically expecting an even more successful version of 36 and it was much more controversial than that, but now thinking about it the shock fails on Stage 1 that initially came across as underwhelming were actually some pretty interesting plot twists, and the lack of predictability on Stages 3 and 4 were only things I started to appreciate a lot more well after the tournament.
33 was the opposite. I thought it was fine when I watched it live just because I was grateful for a Sasuke tournament at all, but as more tournaments have aired and I’ve rewatched past tournaments the more I realise that 33 was the quintessential ‘nothing’ tournament. Had pretty much zero impact on the show’s overall narrative besides conveying that Stage 3 was too hard as though that wasn’t obvious anyway, and again the tournament was over before it had even begun because of how impossible said combo was. Editing was also trash as well, which I never picked up on at the time because I was just happy to see certain competitors clear despite them being digested. I could honestly go on……
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Post by kanzenbella on Nov 27, 2022 0:42:14 GMT -5
Why do people enjoy 25 so much? I thought it was easily one of the worst tournaments results wise and creativity wise.
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Post by dakohosu on Nov 27, 2022 15:20:59 GMT -5
Why do people enjoy 25 so much? I thought it was easily one of the worst tournaments results wise and creativity wise. I'm personally biased as it was the most recent tournament when I got into Sasuke as a 13 year old, but from what I gather it aged like fine wine because it comprised of elements and changes that would never ever be a possibility in today's Inui-fied era. 25's Stage 3 imo was easily the best renewal we've ever had. Brutally difficult but not unwarranted given we got 5 clears in the previous tournament, and while the Ultimate Cliffhanger seemed flat out impossible at the time (seriously I remember thinking how is anyone going to beat this?), the rest of the stage was balanced and all comprised of new ideas. The Roulette Cylinder through Floating Boards were the most dastardly the first half has ever been, while the Flying Bar being at the end of the stage was such a good concept that pretty much every other Ninja show (except Sasuke ironically) has copied it indefinitely. Stage 2 didn't need that many changes because it had already been modified twice in the last two tournaments, but the Double Salmon Ladder was again a brilliant concept at the time and REALLY made its mark. Stage 1 I could take or leave, I liked the retro throwback but the order of obstacles seemed a bit messy and I would've at least liked the old obstacles brought back to be a bit harder than they were, or a new variant of them or something. I agree the results were a bit meh, with mostly the same competitors clearing Stage 1 and 4 out of the 5 finalists all predictably making it to Stage 3. I don't think the Ultimate Cliffhanger was necessarily a bad thing though, if there was ever a tournament where a Cliffhanger ending would be warranted it'd be 25, given that it followed a tournament with 5 clears and zero Cliffhanger fails. It also successfully allowed Stage 3 to make its mark, which was needed given that Stage 3 was arguably by far the weakest of the four stages in the Shin-Sasuke era. Generally though I think the reason why 25 has got so much more love is that it reminded us of what a renewal (mostly) SHOULD be following the underwhelming tweaks we got for 39. It changed what needed to be changed and left what needed to be left very well, rather than nowadays where Inui seems to prioritize the complete antithesis of what the community seems to want. Stage 3 was full of new ideas, whereas now it's all about adding either more motors to the already irrationally hard Cliffhanger, or adding yet more grip-based obstacles, while Stages 1 and 2 are left stale as moldy bread. Whereas in 25 both got a refresh. The editing was also prime Shin-Sasuke, every competitor of note got their runs shown in full with interesting fluff pieces, no Stage 2 or 3 runs were fast-forwarded, now compare that to the celebrity/joke competitor-centric entertainment show edit that we've gotten from recent tournaments. In fact the editing of 25 was so good that it makes 26's (which imo had by far the worst editing of any tournament since maybe Sasuke 4) all the more baffling. |
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Post by kanzenbella on Nov 30, 2022 1:25:36 GMT -5
S Tier - 17, 11, 23, 4, 8, 31, 19
A Tier - 27, 24, 15, 12, 36, 3, 5, 35, 1
B Tier - 10, 22, 21, 38, 16, 6, 34
C Tier - 30, 14, 37, 9, 13, 7, 2
D Tier - 18, 25, 32, 39, 29
F Tier - 26, 33, 20, 28
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Dec 28, 2022 16:23:34 GMT -5
So in anticipation for the 25th anniversary/40th tournament I thought I'd make a tier list for the first 39 tournaments, similar to how sasukewarrior333 is doing a retrospective on all 39 tournaments. I am clearly not as committed as he is, so a tier list suffices. Feel free to write yours below too. For reference I'm going with S, A, B, C, D, F as my tiers. Here are mine with a quick sentence for a few of the unpopular opinions: 1 - B 2 - C - Fine tournament, but imo inherited the worst parts of each of the other three. Sasuke 4's editing without the results, and Sasuke 1's difficulty without its charm. 3 - B 4 - A 5 - A 6 - B 7 - B 8 - S 9 - C 10 - A - Probably an unpopular opinion but I loved Stage 1's massacre, as well as a few unexpected redemption runs, and Yamada's last stand 11 - A 12 - S 13 - C - Very regressive compared to 12 in terms of results for seemingly no reason, is definitely a bit of a nothing tournament between 12 and 14 imo 14 - A 15 - B 16 - A - A lot of people hate 16 but I don't get why. It had a funky Stage 1, the first Stage 2 in a long time that beared its teeth, and some decent progression and drama on Stage 3 17 - S 18 - B - Great renewal but felt more like a prototype with a lot of cut corners; for every great new obstacle there was also a terrible one. 19 - C - I know this was the point of the tournament, but there being no runs to get actually excited about really taints this for me. The new course was brilliant and addressed 18's biggest weaknesses, but it was just too f***ing hard and the difficulty spike after only 6 Stage 1 clears was really not necessary imo. 20 - D - Similarly underwhelming results to 19 without the shock factor, also I'm not the biggest fan of Levi lol 21 - B 22 - A - Honestly convinced people don't like this tournament due to All-Star bias. I mean we have a new Stage 1 obstacle, four breakout runs from some of the most prolific competitors of that era, and the first glimpse of the Final attempted by none other than the future two-time champion; what's not to like, besides some odd editing, but even there at least most worthy competitors got shown? I also think the All-Stars performing poorly if anything was an unexpected shock, rather than an automatic ticket to C-tier and below like some people think. 23 - A 24 - S - Easily the most unexpected Kanzen we've ever seen. The way everyone thought it was going to be Nagano which left us biting our nails right until the Final Stage with five competitors, really consolidated this tournament as one of my top three. Great editing too. 25 - A 26 - F - Terrible editing, spoiled results, runs shown out of order, need I go on? 27 - C - Felt way too forced due to the nerfed course, and the editing wasn't much better than 26's imo 28 - F - Don't think I need to explain this one 29 - D - Backstream controversy, Yusuke controversy, and the dumb timer on Stage 3; I don't mind a quirk here and there but collectively these were all too egregious to ignore 30 - B 31 - A - Great course and mix of results, only let down by the Kanzen being spoiled 20 minutes early and some baffling Sasuke 4-level editing decisions 32 - C - Not as terrible for me as some people make it out to be. The only thing I didn't like were the All-Star treatments and the bad handling of the weather, but there were a lot of surprising shock fails and some unexpected successes. The course renewal was also pretty stellar. 33 - F - Bland tournament. Samey and regressive results and unwarranted buff to Stage 3 that basically ended the tournament before it even began. 34 - D - Similar to 33 in that the fact that you knew the tournament was going to end on the UCCH+VLK combo ruined it for me 35 - B 36 - A 37 - A - So many unexpected fails and successes throughout the entirety of the tournament. Didn't like it at first but it's really grown on me, and if anything proves that a slightly easier Stage 3 can actually be a good thing. 38 - C - Stage 2 was strong, but Stage 1 was unforgivably drawn out due to the prevalence of joke competitors combined with the nerfed first half of the stage, and Stages 3 and 4 were honestly the most predictable they've ever been 39 - B - Stage 1 was even worse than 38 and the lack of changes were disappointing and Stage 2's nerf was completely unwarranted for a renewal. Stage 3 single handedly saved the tournament though, it was honestly pretty exciting. Almost forgot to come back to this haha. S: 5, 11, 12, 17, 23, 24, 25, 27, 36 A: 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 16, 22, 37, 40 B: 1, 2, 6, 9, 18, 19, 21, 30, 31, 34, 35, 38, 39 C: 10, 13, 20, 29 D: 26, 28, 32, 33 Nothing goes below D for me since as I've mentioned before I can see value and entertainment in every tournament, and I don't have anything against any tournaments. Let me know your thoughts! |
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Post by dakohosu on Dec 28, 2022 17:34:59 GMT -5
Almost forgot to come back to this haha. S: 5, 11, 12, 17, 23, 24, 25, 27, 36 A: 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 16, 22, 37, 40 B: 1, 2, 6, 9, 18, 19, 21, 30, 31, 34, 35, 38, 39 C: 10, 13, 20, 29 D: 26, 28, 32, 33 Nothing goes below D for me since as I've mentioned before I can see value and entertainment in every tournament, and I don't have anything against any tournaments. Let me know your thoughts! Damn, it's nice to see someone more positive than me, I definitely can say I have a lot against 28  I think we're pretty much on the same page, except for 27, but I think we've agreed to disagree on that hahaha. I can definitely see why you'd like it, it's just not my cup of tea. If you put like 26 or 33 in A tier then we'd need to have a discussion lol. I also really liked 10, but I know I'm in the minority. I just thought it had a boat load of shock value attached to it, with a brutally hard Stage 1, as well as a mix of old and new faces on Stages 2 and 3, as well as Yamada's last stand. Honestly I can't work out where to put 40. I'd probably have to go with low S-tier or high A-tier depending on how I feel. In terms of the results it's an absolute 11/10, easily the best since I want to say Sasuke 24, but I can't lie and say I enjoyed the editing. I didn't really mind the digests at the start as I figured as long as a lot of them were joke competitors and celebrities like KAREN I wouldn't mind. But specifically #56-70 was an absolute slog with celebrities almost back to back for half an hour, the internationals getting digested, and Stage 2's digesting choices were also very odd and a bit disjointed. Stage 3 I thought was very well done given that we had 12 attempts so some stuff had to get cut and it seemed like they showed what needed to be showed and cut what needed to be cut. It sort of reminded me of Sasuke 12 in that regard. But yeah, the editing overall was questionable. I personally thought 38-39's was worse, but that's not saying much. Editing is inevitably a huge part of a tournament quality, but honestly the results were so stellar that half the time I turn a blind eye to the barrage of digests and cuts that ensued. Other times it hits a bit harder, so yeah either bottom of S or top of A. |
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Post by hoseasasuke on Dec 28, 2022 18:22:36 GMT -5
SS : 17, 5, 31
S+ : 8, 12, 24
S : 36, 18
A++/S-: 40(if the editing was a bit better, this would easily be S+)
A+ : 3, 4, 11, 14, 16, 23, 27
A: 7, 21, 22, 30, 37
B+: 9, 15, 35
B: 1, 6, 25, 34(underrated, first time the producers realized how hard UCCH + VLK truly was)
C+: 10, 38
C: 2, 39
D: 19, 20, 13
E: 26, 28, 33, 32
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Post by sasukewarrior333 on Dec 28, 2022 18:25:09 GMT -5
Almost forgot to come back to this haha. S: 5, 11, 12, 17, 23, 24, 25, 27, 36 A: 3, 4, 7, 8, 14, 15, 16, 22, 37, 40 B: 1, 2, 6, 9, 18, 19, 21, 30, 31, 34, 35, 38, 39 C: 10, 13, 20, 29 D: 26, 28, 32, 33 Nothing goes below D for me since as I've mentioned before I can see value and entertainment in every tournament, and I don't have anything against any tournaments. Let me know your thoughts! Damn, it's nice to see someone more positive than me, I definitely can say I have a lot against 28 I think we're pretty much on the same page, except for 27, but I think we've agreed to disagree on that hahaha. I can definitely see why you'd like it, it's just not my cup of tea. If you put like 26 or 33 in A tier then we'd need to have a discussion lol. I also really liked 10, but I know I'm in the minority. I just thought it had a boat load of shock value attached to it, with a brutally hard Stage 1, as well as a mix of old and new faces on Stages 2 and 3, as well as Yamada's last stand. Honestly I can't work out where to put 40. I'd probably have to go with low S-tier or high A-tier depending on how I feel. In terms of the results it's an absolute 11/10, easily the best since I want to say Sasuke 24, but I can't lie and say I enjoyed the editing. I didn't really mind the digests at the start as I figured as long as a lot of them were joke competitors and celebrities like KAREN I wouldn't mind. But specifically #56-70 was an absolute slog with celebrities almost back to back for half an hour, the internationals getting digested, and Stage 2's digesting choices were also very odd and a bit disjointed. Stage 3 I thought was very well done given that we had 12 attempts so some stuff had to get cut and it seemed like they showed what needed to be showed and cut what needed to be cut. It sort of reminded me of Sasuke 12 in that regard. But yeah, the editing overall was questionable. I personally thought 38-39's was worse, but that's not saying much. Editing is inevitably a huge part of a tournament quality, but honestly the results were so stellar that half the time I turn a blind eye to the barrage of digests and cuts that ensued. Other times it hits a bit harder, so yeah either bottom of S or top of A. Completely on the same page. 40 is currently my 10th best, which means it's the most likely to go up to S Tier. I don't think I can get it into it too much here since it's been less than 2 days and we're in General SASUKE rather SASUKE 40, but 40 genuinely is like a contender for the best and most insane results of all time on all cylinders. The line up is amazing and while the course is lackluster, the athletes more then make up for it. The one problem is the editing, which ranges from "not great but an understandable choice given the circumstances" to "what were you thinking". Still, the results are just so good and captivating that it's hard to hold it against the tournament too much. Paravi will be amazing I'm sure. |
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