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Post by davidcampbell on Jul 2, 2009 23:36:20 GMT -5
I think this may have been discussed a bit in another thread, but I as many of you do am expecting some serious changes to stage 2 after how easily it was crushed in 22!
I personally want to be prepared if I go back and I'm sure any of you who are entering ANC5 feel the same.
So anyone have any predictions / hunches for what they might throw at us in Stage 2 of sasuke 23?
I've noticed they sometimes use modified versions of obstacles from Viking, so I was thinking of watching some old episodes of Viking on you tube to try to familiarize myself with what they might have in the works.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jul 3, 2009 0:09:10 GMT -5
Hmm...well I think it's safe to say that the Downhill Jump and Salmon Ladder will still be there. Maybe the Metal Spin and Stick Slider as well. I'd imagine they are going to take out the Swing Ladder and put in something harder.
Personally, I think they will bring in another balance obstacle. Maybe a modified version of the Cannonball Run from Viking (Stage 1)? That would be cool.
Although, I wouldn't be surprised if they just added in another upper body strength. Either bringing back the Arm Bike or Skywalk (your Cliffhanger training should no problem for this) or even if they added in something like a shortened version of the Rope Maze (Viking Stage 2).
Still, even with all these possible changes, the main thing they probably will fiddle with is the time. It's very possible that they will only change one or two obstacles but slash the time down by 10-15 seconds. So I'm sure doing the Salmon Ladder quickly will be essential.
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Post by TCM on Jul 3, 2009 0:16:41 GMT -5
I think time will be affected more than the actual obstacles, like a deep cut in time (70-65 sec), or basically what scnoi said lol. I find everything pretty right for the stage, I'm the only one I think with no problem with the Swing Ladder, maybe bring back the net climb for a better chance of losing time faster or make the gap for Swing Ladder bigger for a fail like Rie in Kunoichi 7.
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Post by Homeslice on Jul 3, 2009 9:48:42 GMT -5
It might be a gradual time cut, I think. Kinda like they did from Sasuke 7 on when it started at 100 seconds and gradually went down in 5-second increments to 65. It might be 75 seconds next time, probably, but 70 wouldn't be too big of an issue.
I still think the Arm Bike might be a good fill-in for the Swing Ladder, though the Sky Walk might be nice to see since we've never seen it in action. And the Wall Lift should definitely stay - it is the mainstay obstacle for that stage IMO.
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Post by quasikoz on Jul 3, 2009 10:57:04 GMT -5
I've said before in the other thread that I would swap out the Swinging Jungle Bars with the Curtain Cling, but it wouldn't surprise me if they only did a cutback on the time.
In the past, Stage 2 used to be about speed, but with the Salmon Ladder, it's more about power. So if they put in another obstacle, it wouldn't surprise me if it required some type of power endurance.
(And I wish they would bring back the Rumbling Dice, that was my favorite obstacle)
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Post by BLM on Jul 3, 2009 12:20:06 GMT -5
I think they will do the same things that everyone else said, reduce the time to 65 seconds and that out the swing ladder and replace it with a strength or balance type obstacle
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Post by SRW on Jul 3, 2009 18:39:19 GMT -5
time limit cut dramatically ie by 30 seconds and the swing ladder will be changed!
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jul 3, 2009 18:57:49 GMT -5
30 seconds is a little too much. 20 would be the absolute most (60 second time limit) as people like Kanno and Urushihara would time out. A 15 second cut would be more likely if that.
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Post by Homeslice on Jul 4, 2009 11:41:39 GMT -5
Curtain Cling and Rumbling Dice on the 2nd Stage? I don't think so. Bad idea.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jul 4, 2009 12:09:14 GMT -5
Why not replace the swing ladder with the arm rings and get a new third stage first obstacle?
I mean in stage 3 we complain they're too easy, but they could be a real b**** on a timed course wouldn't they?
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Post by TCM on Jul 4, 2009 16:11:34 GMT -5
Which is why they weren't used for a timed course. Too much of a hassle.
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Post by jfeathe on Jul 4, 2009 21:32:06 GMT -5
Considering the history of the new second stage, the most likely change will be a decrease of 10 seconds- which won't affect anything in the end.
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Post by lars072 on Jul 5, 2009 2:26:07 GMT -5
Downhill Jump ---- Salmon Ladder/Stick Slider ---- Cannonball Run ---- Metal Spin ---- Wall Lift
Maybe a decrease in time. Wouldn't that be a fun stage to watch? Thanks scnoi for suggesting that obstacle. Forgot about that.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jul 5, 2009 8:12:19 GMT -5
Downhill Jump ---- Salmon Ladder/Stick Slider ---- Cannonball Run ---- Metal Spin ---- Wall Lift . and take 15 seconds off the clock you got yourself a fun stage 2.
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Post by davidyko on Jul 5, 2009 14:49:21 GMT -5
I like that course too; my only reservation is that the Cannonball Run is kind of an iffy obstacle; i.e. it can just randomly take people out regardless of their actual skill level...
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Post by TCM on Jul 5, 2009 15:02:25 GMT -5
So can Sextuple Steps, they took out Akiyama, remember that? And Rumbling Dice, Yamamoto got taken out because his technique left him with an awkward jump to the platform. I think there should be more of those obstacles, where, if you're not careful, you'll go down. Though not so unpredictable the obstacle will get passed by a joke competitor, but someone who has a chance gets wiped out.
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jul 5, 2009 15:19:17 GMT -5
The Cannonball Run wasn't that hard, but as was said, if your not careful you'll fail. You just had to make sure you stepped on the top of the cannonball or else it would spin and you would lose your balance.
That course is really good, but the time limit would have to 60 seconds for it to be competitive for the people that would clear the Salmon Ladder easily. Otherwise people are still going to clear with ease because it takes a shorter amount of time to clear the Cannonball Run than it does to clear the Swing Ladder.
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Post by TCM on Jul 5, 2009 16:52:01 GMT -5
True, but there's the variable in this, the slip on one of the cannonballs, but still hanging on the wires that hold it up. That would take time and ultimately may be what keeps someone from clearing especially since there is no simply get to end and clear, you have to hit the button to clear.
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jul 5, 2009 17:46:10 GMT -5
I would say SkyWalk and 10 second time cut. Actually the Skywalk is just something I want to see and likely not what will go in, probably a new obstacle all together.
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Post by Badalight on Jul 5, 2009 22:30:45 GMT -5
Honestly, I think the metal spin should go. Not that it's easy or anything, it's taken out a fair share of competitors in the past. The thing is, we need to see some new obstacles, and the wall lift has been there fromt he start, and the salmon ladder is pretty much the signature obstacle in stage 2. Which leaves the swing ladder which definately should leave, and an okay obstacle which has taken out a few people but only 1 since the redesign. Definately not the curtain CLING like some people want, but I wouldn't mind seeing the curtain swing in there. (Huge difference in difficulty level people, trust me, I've done both versions) And skywalk, though easy, would atleast be better than the swing ladder. And a lot of people are saying they should put back in the arm bike. I disagree, as people beat that obstacle relatively fast, almost as fast as the swing ladder, and it doesn't take too much strength to complete. So really, it's not much harder than before.
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