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Post by zoran on Oct 5, 2021 5:19:48 GMT -5
Assume the producers know how devastating this obstacle will be on the field so they decide that competitors will take it on first when they have energy. The rest of the course is the same just without the cliffhanger. However 32-34 still has the VL connection.
How would this change impact results? What competitors would get past the obstacle they failed in the IRL attempt? How would it affect ratings and fan reactions?
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 5, 2021 6:45:02 GMT -5
Do you mean first obstacle of Stage 3 or first obstacle of the entire course (replacing the Quad Steps)?
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Post by zoran on Oct 5, 2021 6:49:14 GMT -5
Do you mean first obstacle of Stage 3 or first obstacle of the entire course (replacing the Quad Steps)? Stage 3
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 5, 2021 9:11:39 GMT -5
Gotcha. To be honest I'm sort of in two minds.
On one hand, a part of me thinks it wouldn't be the worst idea given that a lot of competitors' runs get padded out in the sense that you know they're going to fail the Cliffhanger but you still have to watch the first 5 minutes of their run pan out.
On the other hand, it would be pretty anti-climactic given that there is arguably a lot of suspense building up to the Cliffhanger in the case of some competitors so to get that out of the way at the start would make the rest of the stage kinda boring unless it's modified to be equivalently OP which I think would make the stage a bit too hard. You can't really have the first obstacle being by far the hardest otherwise it'll just be either failing the first obstacle or most likely clearing, which granted is almost the role that the Cliffhanger plays as it is but I feel like it's worse when it's the very first obstacle.
This is all assuming the Cliffhanger is a standalone obstacle though; connecting it to the VLK would be objectively dumb as literally everyone's run would end before it begins and Stage 3 would last about 5 minutes (unless Darvish attempts it in which case we'd get an extra 20 minutes of fluff pieces followed by a 5 second run); and it exacerbates the above point in that the rest of the stage would have to be equivalently hard which as we know is just not feasible...
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Post by zoran on Oct 5, 2021 9:24:56 GMT -5
Gotcha. To be honest I'm sort of in two minds. On one hand, a part of me thinks it wouldn't be the worst idea given that a lot of competitors' runs get padded out in the sense that you know they're going to fail the Cliffhanger but you still have to watch the first 5 minutes of their run pan out. On the other hand, it would be pretty anti-climactic given that there is arguably a lot of suspense building up to the Cliffhanger in the case of some competitors so to get that out of the way at the start would make the rest of the stage kinda boring unless it's modified to be equivalently OP which I think would make the stage a bit too hard. You can't really have the first obstacle being by far the hardest otherwise it'll just be either failing the first obstacle or most likely clearing, which granted is almost the role that the Cliffhanger plays as it is but I feel like it's worse when it's the very first obstacle. This is all assuming the Cliffhanger is a standalone obstacle though; connecting it to the VLK would be objectively dumb as literally everyone's run would end before it begins and Stage 3 would last about 5 minutes (unless Darvish attempts it in which case we'd get an extra 20 minutes of fluff pieces followed by a 5 second run); and it exacerbates the above point in that the rest of the stage would have to be equivalently hard which as we know is just not feasible... How would it change the results from 28-38?
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 5, 2021 9:54:44 GMT -5
From 28-30 I think the results would’ve been exactly the same given that the first half of the course was easy (and obstacles like the Iron Paddler and Drum Hopper tire out different muscle groups to those utilised on the Cliffhanger anyway). And obvs 32-34 I think everyone would’ve failed the combo.
As for the others, it really depends what the obstacles after the Cliffhanger would be, as that obviously determines how far a given competitor could go provided they made it past the 180 jump.
I also don’t really know who fits into the category of being able to clear the jump when rested but not when they’re more fatigued. It seems most of the competitors will fail the Cliffhanger jump no matter what while guys like Yusuke will clear it even if they had the flu. I suppose maybe Araki in 36 or Sato in 37?
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Post by zoran on Oct 5, 2021 11:15:33 GMT -5
From 28-30 I think the results would’ve been exactly the same given that the first half of the course was easy (and obstacles like the Iron Paddler and Drum Hopper tire out different muscle groups to those utilised on the Cliffhanger anyway). And obvs 32-34 I think everyone would’ve failed the combo. As for the others, it really depends what the obstacles after the Cliffhanger would be, as that obviously determines how far a given competitor could go provided they made it past the 180 jump. I also don’t really know who fits into the category of being able to clear the jump when rested but not when they’re more fatigued. It seems most of the competitors will fail the Cliffhanger jump no matter what while guys like Yusuke will clear it even if they had the flu. I suppose maybe Araki in 36 or Sato in 37? I disagree I think the tiredness from the earlier obstacles has an impact especially on the grip and concentration too.
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Post by dakohosu on Oct 5, 2021 12:03:15 GMT -5
Perhaps, but consider that most competitors would practice the Crazy Cliffhanger jumps when already fatigued as they know that'll be the case in the competition. A lot of the failures are down to both bad luck and a certain degree of stage fright; these guys train religiously only to get a shot once every year; that pressure has definitely got to account for a significant proportion of the Cliffhanger jump failures as it's arguably the most do or die obstacle in the entire competition.
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Post by subtleagent on Oct 5, 2021 19:35:20 GMT -5
To me it seems most fails are more based off of inability to do the jump rather than stamina (compared to Kanno in 31 and Morimoto in 34 who were clearly out of stamina after they cleared it). Of course you get bigger competitors like Anastase or I would even argue Jessie who are at a major disadvantage due to their size whereas smaller guys like Ryo, Yuuji, and Morimoto are typically able to demolish the thing. So I honestly don't think it would make much of a difference considering all that.
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