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Post by zoran on Jul 17, 2021 15:28:41 GMT -5
Assume instead of breaking under the pressure, the all stars decide to train to their best ability as a kinda f*** you for the forced retirement. Let's say Akiyama gets a surgery that improves his vision somewhat and Yamada doesn't injure himself.
All 5 clear stage one. Yamada and Akiyama fail the swap salmon ladder while Takeda,Nagano and Shingo make it to stage 3 and tie with the shin sedai failing the jump on the crazy cliihanger.
What would be the reaction to this?
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Jul 17, 2021 15:46:44 GMT -5
What the heck, how did yamada clear stage 1
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Post by zoran on Jul 17, 2021 15:58:29 GMT -5
What the heck, how did yamada clear stage 1 Trains harder(and smarter), doesn't break his leg, doesn't get stuck on the rolling escargot.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 17, 2021 16:17:55 GMT -5
zoran this is one of your posts where it's 'what would your reaction be if *something that would've never ever happened* happened?'. It's hard to answer these as these instances are so unlikely that none of us have even considered how we'd react as the possibility didn't even come into our heads.
Now, what would've been a genuine possibility would be four of the All-Stars fail Stage 1 (Akiyama and Yamada had literally zero chance of clearing, even without their respective handicaps, Takeda was out of practice, and Shingo was thinking of retiring at that point anyway so he probably was as well) while Nagano clears, and potentially even makes Stage 3 given that 28's Stage 2 was pathetically easy.
My reaction to the above wouldn't be so much surprise given that he did make Stage 3 in the previous tournament, but more of a sigh of relief and happiness given that if they were actually going to retire the All-Stars due to their 'poor performances' (which isn't justified given that Nagano made Stage 3 in 27, Takeda had a good run before his hiatus, and Shingo wasn't doing that terribly either), one of them matching the Shin-Sedai's performances would've really been a f*** you to that decision.
Not that they ended up going through with the decision anyway given that they realised how stupid it was to forcibly retire competitors who had given their lives to the show, but it would've been great if Nagano blasting everyone else out of the water would've been the sole reason for them backtracking.
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Post by zoran on Jul 17, 2021 16:34:32 GMT -5
zoran this is one of your posts where it's 'what would your reaction be if *something that would've never ever happened* happened?'. It's hard to answer these as these instances are so unlikely that none of us have even considered how we'd react as the possibility didn't even come into our heads. Now, what would've been a genuine possibility would be four of the All-Stars fail Stage 1 (Akiyama and Yamada had literally zero chance of clearing, even without their respective handicaps, Takeda was out of practice, and Shingo was thinking of retiring at that point anyway so he probably was as well) while Nagano clears, and potentially even makes Stage 3 given that 28's Stage 2 was pathetically easy. My reaction to the above wouldn't be so much surprise given that he did make Stage 3 in the previous tournament, but more of a sigh of relief and happiness given that if they were actually going to retire the All-Stars due to their 'poor performances' (which isn't justified given that Nagano made Stage 3 in 27, Takeda had a good run before his hiatus, and Shingo wasn't doing that terribly either), one of them matching the Shin-Sedai's performances would've really been a f*** you to that decision. Not that they ended up going through with the decision anyway given that they realised how stupid it was to forcibly retire competitors who had given their lives to the show, but it would've been great if Nagano blasting everyone else out of the water would've been the sole reason for them backtracking. That's why I made the post for you to think and speculate on what the reaction would be. I wouldn't say they had a zero chance. Yamada made it to the wall, in general what slowed him down the most was getting stalled on Rolling Escargot and his hurt knee. I'd give him about a 5%-10% chance if he really commits to training harder and smarter with no injuries. Akiyama is probably true, I'd say he could get past the Jump Hang Kai even with his vision issues(the obstacle may actually be easier than the original due to less whiplash) but the wall would be a real problem for him due to his horrible lower body strength, unless he really pumped that area, he wouldn't have much of a chance. Takeda and Shingo are maybes, it's hard to speculate on them but I'd say there is a reasonable possibility they could have made it, given the lack in newness of the second half of 28's stage 1. Nagano would have definitely cleared if he performed the correct technique for the wall. In stage 2, his only hurdle would be the SSL.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 17, 2021 20:03:06 GMT -5
Degenerative retinosis can't be cured, not with surgery or even glasses. And even so the only times his vision played a part in his failures were 13, 16, and kind of 25. So his results wouldn't have been that much better. His weaknesses were lower body and endurance, which often stopped him dead in Stage 1. Even from 14 ~ 24 when he was given lower numbers so he could run in the day, he only cleared once out of those seven attempts and it was on what I personally think was an easy Stage 1 (in which I feel it had the opposite problem from 38 in which the second half was too easy, resulting in barely anyone failing there of those who beat the Jump Hang) that amateurs like Tomoyuki and Yuta Izumiyama beat.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 18, 2021 3:47:25 GMT -5
I’d rank the likelihood of clearing in the following order from highest to lowest: - Nagano - Shingo - Takeda - Yamada - Akiyama
The last three I’m confident wouldn’t have cleared. Takeda displayed throughout the RISING era just how out of practice he had become over his hiatus, then Yamada wouldn’t have cleared the wall and/or gone too slowly to finish in time. Akiyama would’ve at best failed the wall but given his poor lower body prowess I couldn’t have seen him failing anywhere other than the Spin Bridge (I’m even impressed he made it past the Rolling Escargot).
Yamamoto I think had a decent shot but he always has done yet largely botched Shin-Sasuke due to a heterogeneity of dumb errors; he also failed the Spin Bridge in 27 so clearly there was some mental block there also.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 20, 2021 23:42:31 GMT -5
I think they were ALL out of practice (both mentally and physically). It had been 14 months and they thought the show was over. But yeah I agree. Akiyama and Yamada were both ready to retire (the former moreso, the latter... we all know him) while Takeda was worn down from his hiatus and Yamamoto was not in the right mindset. Nagano though was clearly losing interest by that point and had been training a LOT less so at best I'd see him getting to the Crazy Cliffhanger (keep in mind he basically decided he was failing the Ultimate Cliffhanger). Plus his last two clears (27 and 30) were on easy courses that had almost 30 people clearing. It was clear he had enough. I'm inclined to debate he'd have made Stage 3 in 30 had that dumb SSL rule not been in place, but we'll never know.
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