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Post by Oti on Jun 15, 2009 23:33:47 GMT -5
Nagano would be the man to do it. He only beat Sasuke 17 because he Spider Climbs so ungodly fast.
And yes, I knew the rope transfer final stage was concept art. I still love the idea, though.
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Post by obakemono on Jun 15, 2009 23:53:54 GMT -5
I don't get what the big deal about three ropes is. It's just like one rope with unnecessary transfer time.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Jun 16, 2009 0:09:17 GMT -5
I don't get what the big deal about three ropes is. It's just like one rope with unnecessary transfer time. Thats exactly why, the transfer times. The Final Stage has always been meant as a true test of speed, and look how long some people took on the old Tarzan Jump obstacle. And comparing the size of the gaps to the size of the spider climb that looks like it could be pretty damn evil (BTW guys, you keep crediting it to the Final Review vid, it's actually from the end of Sasuke 17)
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 16, 2009 1:00:43 GMT -5
Your math is horrible. It's .51 m/s here vs .75 m/s in version 2 I wonder if one can propel him/herself up the Spider Climb faster than a rope ladder. i knew i was doin it wrong.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 16, 2009 1:17:09 GMT -5
40 seconds wouldn't be bad.
30 is too hard, 45 is too easy.
35 or 40 I would say. Unless they did like 37 or something but that would be stupid,i think in one sasukes the first stage was like 112 seconds or something but that was retarded.
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Post by Oti on Jun 16, 2009 5:43:08 GMT -5
I remember that. It was back in the day.
The final stage of my obstacle course was going to be a vertical arm bike and three ropes.
And it's more complicated than that.
HINT: The ropes move.
HINT HINT: You have to move them.
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Post by TCM on Jun 17, 2009 16:27:55 GMT -5
I remember that. It was back in the day. The final stage of my obstacle course was going to be a vertical arm bike and three ropes. And it's more complicated than that. HINT: The ropes move. HINT HINT: You have to move them. How is a vertical arm bike even plausible? Basically its a self-aware chain reaction, but with ropes Evil.
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Post by Oti on Jun 20, 2009 18:03:31 GMT -5
It'd be geared in a way that you can climb with it. Better hurry, though. It goes down slowly, like the rock climbing obstacle in Sasuke 2.
And yeah, you're pretty much right. I was thinking something like as soon as you touch the first rope, you have ten seconds to push off the wall and get to the next rope. At the ten second mark, the rope is cut and you fall. So, the stage would have to be at least 30 seconds long. I was going to make the height of the arm bike so that it took about 30 seconds to complete, making the stage a nice, even minute.
Then I could call it "Minute of Hell" or something snazzy like that.
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Post by SRW on Jun 20, 2009 18:37:52 GMT -5
lol extremity lol I think a kind of hang climbing type wall would be cool before the rope personally. I've no problem with the real one anyway the ladder and rope most people knew by the point of sasuke 22 so no one really should have been suprised by it I kinda like the motif of Heavenly Ladder - your climbing to the heavens for glory and the G rope is the GOAL ROPE maybe its a cool theme kinda steps to heaven sorta thing. Only improvement id make is time 35 sec is more than fair IMO although in sasuke 23 hopefully we will see some more attempts and if others don't do as well as Yuji did on it then maybe there is a valid enough reason for the time limit it is.
I personally think they took into account the condition the competitior is in after clearing stage 3 especially in light of it being a fair way harder than it was before.
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Post by arsenette on Jun 20, 2009 18:42:25 GMT -5
I miss the metal ladder personally but I didn't care either way. Poor guys had to go through the gauntlet as it was and only 1 person got there so I'm just happy someone GOT to the 4th stage so people can b**** about that too I picked middle of the road on the poll because I could care either way.
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Post by SRW on Jun 20, 2009 18:47:05 GMT -5
I miss the metal ladder personally but I didn't care either way. Poor guys had to go through the gauntlet as it was and only 1 person got there so I'm just happy someone GOT to the 4th stage so people can b*tch about that too I picked middle of the road on the poll because I could care either way. I would be very interested to have seen it attempted with the metal one but I can see why they made it ropey and in fairness I think they were right to. A solid set steel ladder is much easier to climb fast than a ropey one as you have no movements to throw you off rhythm, Had Yuuji attempted it with the steel ladder and with everything else as was in 22 - time limit etc he would have won without a doubt, he was insanly fast up the heavenly ladder so imagine him on a still one with no movement at all? It would have been too easy. On a side while I quite like the ladder rope final if I was the owner of sasuke I personally would have left the final stage the same as in 17 id still add all the fancy lights and crap to the tower and have diff colour spider climb walls to fit in with sasuke new era ( red ones) but the challenge would be the same and bearing in mind the first 3 stages are much harder now and the toll on you, it would be hellish even Nagano would struggle to do it again.
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Post by Oti on Jun 20, 2009 21:09:37 GMT -5
I think the time limit is too lenient. If that guy could climb a rope worth a crap, he would have beaten it easily.
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Post by SRW on Jun 21, 2009 3:59:25 GMT -5
Well like I said in 23 hopefully they will cut the time down to 35 seconds max, or perhaps theres a ulterior motive here and they wanted somebody to win to get the ratings back up and hence they gave Yuuji a good chance to with that time limit and will stick with it in 23 and hope someone wins.
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Post by Oti on Jun 21, 2009 5:35:06 GMT -5
I don't think anyone really deserves to beat the final stage right now. Not even Nagano. I mean, before he won, he got to the final stage like three times. The dude earned it.
I don't think anyone deserves to win right now, not even Nagano. He's not being consistent. I think someone needs to constantly be amazing on the course to earn the "right" to win.
It's just that it's such a huge achievement. It shouldn't be something that just happens to a random competitor.
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Post by Badalight on Jun 21, 2009 12:19:40 GMT -5
Maybe the rope ladder is harder than we thought, maybe Yuuji got really lucky or he was just really good. I figure it should normally sway a little more than that... still the extra 15 seconds is a little much.
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 22, 2009 12:51:16 GMT -5
It didn't look like the ladder was designed to sway alot. Maybe some of that was Yuuji's technique, but it seems as though it was weighted towards the bottom. Then again, the guy weighs only 113lbs, how much force is he gonna create on that thing?
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Post by TCM on Jun 23, 2009 17:19:16 GMT -5
It also helps that he seemed to do the left hand, right foot/vice versa technique, climbing a rope ladder that way wont force much swaying, its supposed to keep from doing that. That's why people fail that carnival game, they just grin and bear it. Everything has a technique to do well and fast.
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Post by lazarus0280 on Jun 23, 2009 17:40:28 GMT -5
I was sort of impartial. My thoughts are more along the lines of how much downtime do they actually have bn stage 3/4. Stage 3 is so nuts on the upper body that if they hustle you directly to stage 4 by the time you even get to the rope your arms are done. As was pretty apparent in 22. 20-30 minutes recovery time may ease that a bit but if it's 5-10 minutes i can only imagine how your arms feel soon as you start up that ladder.
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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 24, 2009 3:00:07 GMT -5
If I recall correctly, there was a span of 2 hours between the Third Stage and Final Stage in Sasuke 22.
I would expect that to be a bit shorter in subsequent tournaments, but they still have ropes and cameras and harnesses and lighting timing devices to situate, people to interview, dramatic yellings from reporters and commentators to yell. Anything less than an hour would be pretty impressive.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 24, 2009 12:45:01 GMT -5
Because of the ladder, we won't be seeing any falls when the rope gets cut. Seeing the competitor fall was a symbol in a way and was awesome to watch. Just thought of this: We've only seen one compeitior in shin final stage; and he was legit 3ft away (not even) from winning it, his head was nearly thru the whole. So isn't it possible they just... let him up? like nagano in 12? Before the stage begins they could say, when we cut you, watch out for the ladder. And they just didnt cut Yuuji. Oh and as for the whole time/rope thing. Its appropiate; Yuuji's technique didnt sway the ladder or ropel do u think if like Terek or Nagano has been climbing, it woulda swayed? Hell Terek woulda broken the ladder! Yuuji was perfect for shin-final stage. Honestly, does it look like someone like him would make it? Even if Nagano used Yuuji's Technique; it would have swayed. Same with the rope. The goal was for heavy people to be thrown off by this fs; and rly, wht light person would make the fs (Yuuji, aoki's weight)
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