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Post by darthvaderlim on Jun 15, 2021 3:37:49 GMT -5
Which competitor do you think had the fastest downfall in terms of performance ? For this thread, I will not be including one hit wonders like Shinya. Mine would be: Akiyama: pretty self-explanatory. Ryo: After his near miss in 30, everyone thought he would beat the course in 31, but instead went into a downward spiral. Shinji Kobayashi: Another strong contender. He had an impressive debut, but only cleared Stage One twice afterwards. Levi: After Sasuke 25, his career was never the same again. Brian: Like Levi, he never regained his success after Sasuke 26/Anw 2.
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Post by zoran on Jun 15, 2021 7:00:24 GMT -5
Shingo after 30
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 15, 2021 8:29:49 GMT -5
Here are some I'd add: - Shingo as well, but I'd actually say after 17. Went from making Stage 3 10/17 times to only reaching it once in his next 21 tournaments. - Kanno after 31. I know this was no doubt due to his injury but he goes from making Stage 3 four straight times to five straight Stage 1 failures. - Nagano after 23, only having cleared Stage 1 twice in his last nine tournaments, both of which were on really easy courses with 25+ clears. - Naoki Iketani after 16; again went from being a Stage 3 regular to struggling on Stage 1 and at a push the start of Stage 2. - Akira Omori after Sasuke 3; went from three straight finals to not even making it halfway past Stage 1.
I would also put Shunsuke but his downfall was arguably among the more gradual examples; literally 2 Stage 3s, followed by 2 Stage 2 fails, then three Stage 1 fails. Not sure you could have a more gradual downward trend than that lol.
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 17, 2021 0:17:40 GMT -5
Takeda after 24, I honestly feel like his choke on the Spider Flip affected him more than in just that tournament.
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Post by darthvaderlim on Jun 17, 2021 2:36:24 GMT -5
A few more I would like to mention: Muira Eichi- Went from almost making to the Final Stage in Sasuke 2 and 4 to failing the Jump Hang in 4 out 5 attempts. David Campbell- Almost cleared the UCH in 27, but since then he has been struggling on Stage One in ANW. At least he achieved Kanzen in Vietnam. Brent Steffensen- First American to beat the UCH, but has never reached the same success again. And the most obvious choice, Yamada- Cleared Stage One in 10 out of 12 attempts, followed by the Gloves Incident, and a brief hiatus, leading to a long downward spiral which he never got out of.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 17, 2021 3:22:20 GMT -5
I didn’t put Takeda just because he sort of got out of the rut he entered into post-hiatus, but his performances from 28-31 were laughably bad, especially given that he went from being the most consistent All-Star to performing among the worst.
At least now he’s sort of displayed that he’s capable of reaching Stage 2.
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 17, 2021 16:32:00 GMT -5
I suppose you're right. Even so he seems pocketed by the Salmon Ladder in a similar way to how Yamada was pocketed by the Warped Wall, or how Keitaro is pocketed by the Backstream. He's failed every variant since the Double Salmon Ladder. 25 due to cockiness, 30 due to that BS rule (though honestly I don't think he would have beaten it anyway), and 33 and 34 due to lack of stamina (I feel like he might've beaten it in 34 had it not been for that slip up that dropped him two rungs). I feel like Takeda has a few more Stage 2 attempts in him (and maybe even a Stage 3 attempt if he REALLY trains to the level he did for 38), which I'm gauging off of his clear before disqualification in 38, but alas he did get DQ'ed so it's tough for me to call (not to mention he'd likely stand no chance against Rolling Log + Salmon Ladder).
Still to go from making the Third Stage in 14 out of his first 20 attempts in his first 10 years to not even getting halfway through Stage 2 for the last 10 years is pretty sad.
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Post by salt on Jun 28, 2021 4:07:02 GMT -5
I think it’s a bit difficult to measure. Does the downfall start at their peak, or when they start getting barred by certain points of the course? Shingo peaked in 7, then spent the next 10 tournaments declining on stage 3, then the next 13 tournaments struggling to get past stage 2, and is finally trapped in stage 1 after 30 tournaments. Compared to, say, Omori, who immediately went from 3 final stage attempts to eternal first stage hell.
I’m thinking Kawaguchi may be headed in this direction if he doesn’t break his losing streak soon. He’s been a stage 3 regular, but seems to be falling apart quick at the warped wall. Not sure what’s happening with him.
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Post by dakohosu on Jun 28, 2021 9:08:49 GMT -5
'Fastest' imo means most sudden or most steep decline. I'd say Omori comes pretty close given that he went from hero to zero pretty quickly. Shingo by comparison had a more gradual decline with worsening Stage 3 performances and then struggling to clear Stages 1 and 2, to eventually just flopping on Stage 1 every time.
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Jun 28, 2021 11:33:01 GMT -5
Akira Omori is probably the definitive answer. He went from three straight Final Stage appearances to nothing but Stage 1 failures. And unlike a lot of competitors, he didn't have an injury to blame his decline on (as far as I know). The only points in his favor are (1) he's a comedian, not an athlete, so it's not like you expect him to do well or take Sasuke seriously to begin with; and (2) the course was getting harder and harder over the years that he competed.
But also, why is tns8597's Warning Level at 100%? I hope he wasn't banned, because he's one of the best contributors to this site.
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Post by zoran on Jul 1, 2021 11:19:09 GMT -5
Akira Omori is probably the definitive answer. He went from three straight Final Stage appearances to nothing but Stage 1 failures. And unlike a lot of competitors, he didn't have an injury to blame his decline on (as far as I know). The only points in his favor are (1) he's a comedian, not an athlete, so it's not like you expect him to do well or take Sasuke seriously to begin with; and (2) the course was getting harder and harder over the years that he competed. But also, why is tns8597's Warning Level at 100%? I hope he wasn't banned, because he's one of the best contributors to this site. Did you get any answer from the mods? It seems weird he gets a 100% warning level for nothing we know off yet the Keitaro spammer gets 5%?
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Post by azn on Jul 1, 2021 13:36:30 GMT -5
Regarding TNS, honestly the only thing I can think of is that someone took his joke about Nagano in "most unjust qualification in Sasuke" thread seriously and didn't see it as a joke. Either way he's now Dakoosu (I think that's how you spell it)
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Post by zoran on Jul 1, 2021 13:52:50 GMT -5
Bizarre
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 1, 2021 14:33:57 GMT -5
The name was meant to be dakohosu (Japanese for dark horse) but I misspelt it, so I’m dakoosu. Get used to it ;P
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Post by zoran on Jul 1, 2021 15:15:09 GMT -5
The name was meant to be dakohosu (Japanese for dark horse) but I misspelt it, so I’m dakoosu. Get used to it ;P So why the ban?
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 1, 2021 16:30:32 GMT -5
Absolutely no idea; wasn’t given any warning and I checked all my comment history and I haven’t said anything out of line. Think I’ve been pretty respectful and adhering to the rules during my time on this forum; so if anything I’d have liked to know why I got banned because it just seemed to come out of nowhere.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 1, 2021 22:07:04 GMT -5
Maybe he bumped a few threads?
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 2, 2021 3:46:32 GMT -5
I didn't, no.
I'm just assuming it was some kind of dumb glitch; the moderators haven't even been active in recent days anyway so I don't even know who could've done the honours....
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Post by SasukeBanzukeNo1 (Moon12) on Jul 9, 2021 19:52:56 GMT -5
Akira Omori is probably the definitive answer. He went from three straight Final Stage appearances to nothing but Stage 1 failures. And unlike a lot of competitors, he didn't have an injury to blame his decline on (as far as I know). The only points in his favor are (1) he's a comedian, not an athlete, so it's not like you expect him to do well or take Sasuke seriously to begin with; and (2) the course was getting harder and harder over the years that he competed. But also, why is tns8597's Warning Level at 100%? I hope he wasn't banned, because he's one of the best contributors to this site. Yea, not trying to stay off topic here, but I was really shocked that tns8597 had a 100% warning level in his profile. I literally was inactive for a month, and I was just baffled having to come back and see this. I believe he does so much for these forums that it be too improbable for him to be a rule-breaker. Maybe it really was an accidental glitch and no one did anything about it? Idk. But anyways, for the sake of getting back into a relevant discussion, I'd say an honorable mention would have to be Kenji Takahashi. I wouldn't really call his career a downfall, but rather that he has backslidden many times. There were times that he made third stage in one tournament, and then failing unexpectedly in the first stage for the next 2+ tournaments. He made stage three--three times in a row (hiatus aside)--in 7, 16, & 18, only to go suddenly out on stage one from 19-22. He got back to stage three from 23-25 (with his only final stage appearance in 24), then failed stage one again two more times in 26 & 27. He redeemed himself again getting to stage three in 29, had his very first stage two upset in 30, and got back stage three in 31. Then 32 & 33 rolled by and... you know the rest. I think in his defense, however, most of the obstacles he failed in stage one were either new obstacles or modifications of older obstacles which he's beaten before. To add on to that, the TIE Fighter in 32 & 33 was slippery and made it harder to withstand the drops. Also, for stage two, the Swap Salmon Ladder in 30 was already a rigged obstacle to begin with. Finally, there is the obvious factor of age and being more fatigued as time went on. Though Kenji has kept coming back to the top many times, it's unfortunate to say that he hasn't been the most consistent competitor.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 10, 2021 3:52:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the shoutout Moon12, lol
Kongu is a weird one because across his entire tenure at Sasuke, a lot of people say he’s been consistent because he’s managed to reach Stage 3 throughout pretty much every era of the show, not realising that he’s had just as many Stage 1 failures in each era. I suppose he has been consistent in the grand scheme of his career in that he has been able to deliver some really high level performances even as the course became much much harder (an example being his three consecutive Stage 3 attempts in 7, 16, and 18 on pretty much completely different courses). But unlike Jun Sato who’s effectively a Stage 3 staple at this point, said performances from Kongu were few and far between, and four straight Stage 1 failures in the middle of his career no less aren’t what I’d call consistent.
I wouldn’t necessarily say his downfall was the FASTEST though. He actually improved throughout his mid-to-late 30s by reaching the Cliffhanger on successively harder tournaments, and he even almost reached Stage 3 in his second last tournament at the age of 41. I’m certain had he not retired he would’ve been able to at least make Stage 2 a couple more times. Certainly nothing on the level of Omori or Akiyama, that’s for sure.
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