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Post by subtleagent on Jun 8, 2021 12:20:51 GMT -5
As in who did the worst on any specific obstacle. Mine I would name are...
James Okada, Propeller Untei, SASUKE 7: Mainly from being the only one to fail it despite being like the easiest Stage 3 obstacle ever.
Tomoyuki, Rope Climb, SASUKE 14: He had 25 seconds and managed to waste all of it because his rope climbing skill was really bad. I don't think I've seen anyone else struggle on that as much as he did.
Toshio Sakata, Hurdle Jump, SASUKE 15: I'm not REALLY counting this one since he totally did that on purpose, but still.
Kenji Toyoda, Log Grip, SASUKE 20: He wastes like 30 seconds trying to find a grip on the obstacle only to fail it anyway.
Naoki Iketani, Double Salmon Ladder, SASUKE 27: His attempt was considerably worse than his 26 attempt despite the obstacle being easier (the caps were taken off which I think his 26 fail might've been the reason for that).
Sakamoto Koki, Soritatsu Kabe, SASUKE 28: He got like nowhere close to the top of the second wall.
And of course there's Yamada on the following:
Propeller Untei, SASUKE 4: Yeah he didn't fail it, but the amount of time he spent on it was ridiculous.
Spider Walk, SASUKE 9: Tape, nuff said.
Pole Maze, SASUKE 19: 75 seconds is probably the longest time anyone's taken to complete an obstacle.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 8, 2021 13:31:49 GMT -5
Apart from the joke competitors, has to be Hiroyuki Asaoka on the Jump Hang in Sasuke 6 for me. Guy thinks he can just walk up to the trampoline and get the right amount of height; of course it didn’t work whatsoever and he just crashed into the water like a sinking ship. Was hilarious to watch though.
Some other mentions (again not counting joke competitors otherwise we’ll be here forever): - Shingo on the HPA in 22: needs no explanation - Yuta Izumiyama on the Chain Reaction in 16: this wasn’t actually shown but he only had like 8 seconds left when he cleared the Spider Walk which he seemed to get through quite quickly, implying he’d spent like 30-40 seconds on the Chain Reaction which I’m sure is a record. - Takuyu Ueda on the Cliffhanger in 4: literally fell off straight away, so did Okuyama in 25 but the latter is somewhat justified as the first half of that course was brutal. - Shunsuke Nagasaki on the Spider Walk in 34 - Keitaro Yamamoto on the Wall Lift in 36: not surprised he timed out, guy literally couldn’t lift the walls to save his life - Naoki Iketani on the Body Prop in 16: not only did he fail within about 3 seconds, this was also his third straight fail on the obstacle and each time he did worse. - Ryo on the Passing Wall in 28: has 20 seconds left to get through yet just gets crushed by the first wall and can’t scramble out in time
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Post by zoran on Jun 8, 2021 16:11:50 GMT -5
Apart from the joke competitors, has to be Hiroyuki Asaoka on the Jump Hang in Sasuke 6 for me. Guy thinks he can just walk up to the trampoline and get the right amount of height; of course it didn’t work whatsoever and he just crashed into the water like a sinking ship. Was hilarious to watch though. Some other mentions (again not counting joke competitors otherwise we’ll be here forever): - Shingo on the HPA in 22: needs no explanation - Yuta Izumiyama on the Chain Reaction in 16: this wasn’t actually shown but he only had like 8 seconds left when he cleared the Spider Walk which he seemed to get through quite quickly, implying he’d spent like 30-40 seconds on the Chain Reaction which I’m sure is a record. - Takuyu Ueda on the Cliffhanger in 4: literally fell off straight away, so did Okuyama in 25 but the latter is somewhat justified as the first half of that course was brutal. - Shunsuke Nagasaki on the Spider Walk in 34 - Keitaro Yamamoto on the Wall Lift in 36: not surprised he timed out, guy literally couldn’t lift the walls to save his life - Naoki Iketani on the Body Prop in 16: not only did he fail within about 3 seconds, this was also his third straight fail on the obstacle and each time he did worse. - Ryo on the Passing Wall in 28: has 20 seconds left to get through yet just gets crushed by the first wall and can’t scramble out in time Nagasaki always had a weird pained expression on his face when attempting the spider walk, his height probably contributed to it.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 8, 2021 16:49:25 GMT -5
He’s not that tall he’s only like 5’7-5’8, but he is a bigger competitor in terms of general stature (especially post-hiatus; he looks about 75-80 kg) so that plays to his disadvantage. What I don’t get tho is how he went from not struggling on it at all to having to go ridiculously slowly as he did in 35 (to avoid the same mistake happening as it did in 34) yet still failed. Did he put on some weight or something?
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 8, 2021 19:56:24 GMT -5
I feel like he just overthought it like Yamada did in 9 or 12. He looked shocked when he failed it in 34 (which at the time I thought was just a freak accident) so I'm guessing he was spooked that it would happen again. He was never the most agile competitor. Though given his snail's pace on the obstacle, he likely would have timed out anyway.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jun 8, 2021 20:05:32 GMT -5
I specifically remember during the broadcast of his second Spider Walk fail that someone was translating in the chat saying the other competitors on the sidelines were complaining he was overthinking it during and after his Spider Walk attempt.
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Post by darthvaderlim on Jun 9, 2021 2:39:17 GMT -5
Shingo and Takeda in Sasuke 31, Kanno and Yuuji in Sasuke 33 on the Rolling Hill- Do I need to explain why? Yuuji in Sasuke 26-Had to stop on the Rolling Escargot, took two attempts on the Jumping Spider, and missed the landing on the Half-pipe Attack twice before failing. Shingo and Kanno on the Half-pipe Attack and the Warped Wall in Sasuke 24- Could've been an easy clear if they didn't struggle. Shingo and Kanno on the Balance Tank in Sasuke 25- See above. Nagano on the Downhill Jump in Sasuke 20- You could tell right from the start he was nervous on the obstacle.
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 11, 2021 12:46:29 GMT -5
I'd also like to add Kanno's final in 23 and Kawaguchi's final in 30. The former has possibly the worst rope climbing skills I've ever seen and the latter barely got up the Spider Climb and got like a quarter up the rope. It it wasn't for Kong's Final in 24 (which was injustice rather than poor performance), I'd say these two were definitely the worst. Shingo in 7 and Jovtchev in 8 get a pass cause the former was injured and the latter was affected by the rainy conditions.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 11, 2021 13:43:57 GMT -5
Now we’re talking about Final Stage attempts, I’d defo say the worst would’ve had to be Yo Takashi in Sasuke 1 or Omori in Sasuke 2. Neither even made it halfway up the tower and both had no more left in the tank to climb higher even if they did have more time. That said the latter of which was surprising as he actually came semi-close in his last attempt. Also the fact that both did worse than Kawaguchi on a much easier course says a lot.
Tomo’s attempt did suck though; it was quite awkward how after 5-10 seconds people stopped cheering as by that point it was clear he wasn’t going to make it in time. That’s part of the reason I think he’s overrated; getting #99 several times just because he made the Final Stage even though he wasn’t even CLOSE to achieving Total Victory. And if any of his later performances were anything to go by, him even reaching the Final was a fluke as he’s repeatedly failed the crazy transitions and his VL attempt in 35 didn’t provide much confidence either.
And yeah Jovtchev I can sort of forgive because it was rainy, his first ever attempt on a course he’d never trained for, and the fact that he started his ascent 2 seconds late (his fault but nonetheless), and yeah it would be unfair to point fingers at Shingo as what happened was just plain bad luck.
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 11, 2021 17:20:24 GMT -5
I wasn't sure if I should've mentioned SASUKE 1 since literally no one was really prepared for it, though yeah his attempt was pretty bad. As for Omori, for someone called The Monkey he really could not climb rope. 2 was definitely his worst, though 3 wasn't much better. At least in 1 he did well enough to insinuate some hope that he might beat it with training, but alas that didn't happen.
Kawaguchi being given #99 was clearly cause they REALLY wanted to market his story and because Ryo (the only other person to reach the final in 30 that wasn't Morimoto between 28 and 36) really hit decline. But yeah his record really didn't justify the amount of screen time he got. And he hasn't shown many signs that he's going to make it back. And now with 2 consecutive Warped Wall failures and a renewal coming I figure we won't be seeing him make it back any time soon.
I'm hesitant to say Shingo would've kanzened if his shoulder had not gone out, but I think he might've come close.
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Post by salt on Jul 1, 2021 5:36:00 GMT -5
He Who Must Not Be Named on the Backstream Slide in 36. That’s an obstacle that should never be failed in a billion years except maybe by a 5 year old.
Also, Iketani’s Pipe Slider attempt in 4. I don’t know what possessed him to try put his feet up onto the bar, but that was never gonna work.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 1, 2021 14:38:20 GMT -5
Iketani I think was trying to use his legs to rest on the bar as his grip was about to go (hence why he failed immediately afterwards), but that would’ve 100% resulted in a DQ.
Speaking of Iketani, his lack of training for Sasuke showed in more recent tournaments as I think his attempt on the Body Prop (16), Double Salmon Ladder (27), Rolling Escargot (28), Rolling Hill (33), and Wing Slider (37) all come fairly close to worst attempts on those respective obstacles imo.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 2, 2021 10:02:06 GMT -5
Oh yeah, Iketani's Double Salmon Ladder attempt in 27 was pretty bad considering the obstacle was nerfed from 26 (which was ironically his doing given how dangerous his fall looked in 26). And he's certainly not a young man anymore, then again he hit decline at only 25 in SASUKE so age really began working against him.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 2, 2021 10:10:30 GMT -5
I wouldn't necessarily say he declined at 25. He obvs gave his best performance in Sasuke 4 but he was horribly inconsistent until Sasuke 10, and the only reason he started doing worse on Stage 3 was that he didn't train for Sasuke. He broke the Monster Box record well into his 30s and could even do over 20 boxes in his 40s so the guy is still incredibly athletic, he just doesn't have the highly specific dexterity required for Sasuke's obstacles.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 2, 2021 12:13:11 GMT -5
That's why I said IN Sasuke. His record outside of Sasuke is still pretty good.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 2, 2021 14:04:49 GMT -5
Gotcha. Didn’t read that bit lol sorry.
It’s strange because similar to Shingo, Iketani became worse at Stage 3 but more consistent in getting there as time went on (up to the end of the All-Star era at least), having only reached it once in the first nine tournaments and then from 10-16 getting there another five times but doing worse each time. Granted his Sasuke 16 Stage 3 attempt probably ranks among the worst ever, probably only beaten by James Okada. I know he didn’t train for Sasuke but you’d think a professional gymnast wouldn’t struggle that much with the Arm Rings and then go out within seconds on the Body Prop.
I’d say his decline REALLY hit come Shin-Sasuke though, given that he went from being a Stage 3 regular to failing Stage 1 four straight times. Hardly surprising though, the difficulty increase for the course ended up proving too much for a lot of former stars, like Shinji Kobayashi and Shingo etc who also couldn’t clear the refreshed Stage 1, the former of which retired as a result. Hence I’ve always said that Shin-Sasuke was the tipping point at which it became nigh on impossible to do well unless you trained specifically for Sasuke; rookies reaching Stage 3 basically stopped being a thing and only the most dedicated ended up shining.
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Post by subtleagent on Jul 2, 2021 22:44:31 GMT -5
I will admit, his 26 run was impressive considering the Rolling Escargot and the hardened Jumping Spider combined with the lack of prep time most competitors had before the tournament. Aside from Mr. Octopus making it to the Escargot, his clear was probably one of the highlights of an otherwise disastrous tournament. But then comes 27 and he digresses in a manner that I would argue was even worse than his Body Prop fails and now he's not even gotten past the third obstacle of Stage ONE.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 3, 2021 5:34:52 GMT -5
Another one I’d put out there.
Ragivaru Anastase on the UCCH in 34: at this point basically everyone can do the Cliffhanger except for the 180 transitions which accounts for all of the fails in recent years, but the guy almost looked like he just gave up halfway down the first ledge and fell off immediately. His weight obvs worked against him but Drew was a bigger guy as well and he didn’t have much problem with it.
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Post by demonix on Jul 3, 2021 9:02:20 GMT -5
Masaharu Yanagawa on the Rolling Log in Sasuke 7, where he rolled the log in the wrong direction.
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Post by salt on Jul 6, 2021 4:24:33 GMT -5
Ryo Matachi’s Spider Walk attempt in 28. He did get past it, but he wasted so much time spraying his hands, which he probably didn’t need. After watching Asa cruise through with almost 30 seconds remaining, I was thinking “Man, they REALLY gave everyone too much time. No one’s ever gonna time out on this stage.” Then Ryo’s run happened.
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