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Post by Ninja Relaxer on May 15, 2021 12:41:46 GMT -5
One that always comes as a burning 'maybe' to me is Bunpei in 17 if he hadn't failed the Body Prop. Sure there's obvs a big difference between failing the Body Prop and reaching the Final, but given Bunpei's past track record it almost seemed as though it was some sort of freak accident that just happened because he slipped. So many people slipped unexpectedly on the Body Prop in 17 that it makes me think the glass was slippery. Bunpei and Shingo didn't look like they were struggling before they fell. Also, speaking of 17, Shunsuke did really well there. He had the best time in Stage 1, one of the best times in Stage 2, and he beat Stage 3. Maybe if he had trained more specifically for Stage 4, he could have beat it.
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Post by Cosmic Castaway on May 15, 2021 14:17:30 GMT -5
^ Indeed. I just saw his stage 4 attempt and he was going so slow at the beginning that by the time he reached the rope at 15 seconds, it was obvious he wasn't going to even remotely reach the top.
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Post by subtleagent on May 19, 2021 2:22:47 GMT -5
Body Prop in 17 looked kind of filthy so I can imagine that played a part in their fails. In Bunpei's case he did look like he was struggling, maybe his injuries played up and that held back his performance? Who knows? Though he definitely looked less comfortable on it than he did in 13, 15, and 16 (we didn't see 12 so IDK there).
Yeah Shun was PAINFULLY slow on the Spider Climb and by the time he got to the rope he had no shot. Had he been Jovtchev's height he likely would've fallen before the rope going at that pace.
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Post by gamer2k4 on May 23, 2021 1:33:06 GMT -5
I don't know names that well, so maybe it was mentioned already, but I believe there was a non-Japanese competitor who made it to the final stage on one of the earlier Sasukes, but his safety rope got tangled around the rope he was climbing, which seemed to hinder him. Does that ring any bells for anyone?
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Post by darthvaderlim on May 23, 2021 1:36:46 GMT -5
I don't know names that well, so maybe it was mentioned already, but I believe there was a non-Japanese competitor who made it to the final stage on one of the earlier Sasukes, but his safety rope got tangled around the rope he was climbing, which seemed to hinder him. Does that ring any bells for anyone? Kenji Takahashi in Sasuke 24
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Post by subtleagent on May 23, 2021 2:08:19 GMT -5
Here's some easy ones, I feel like Yuuji would have definitely kanzened in 23 had he not messed up the Unstable Bridge, while Yusuke would have kanzened in 30 had he not taken the time limit for granted. Both of them kanzening in 24 and 31 respectively consolidated this. I'm kind of debating whether or not Yuuji would have if he didn't derail the Pipe Slider. On the one hand he's still fit enough to keep a good pace, on the other it was pouring and this was the same final that took Morimoto three tries to beat and made short work of Tada and Rene. He might've had better luck on the Salmon Ladder Jugo Dan than they did, but still.
Then again, by the same logic I suppose I could say Akiyama would've kanzened in 2 or 3, but then again he wasn't nearly as intense back then as he was from 4 onward so this one's hard to call. He wouldn't have to worry about a Pipe Slider jump. Though I do think there's a possibility he might've done it in 12.
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 9, 2021 19:11:53 GMT -5
Oooh another one that came to mind (possibly) is Miura in SASUKE 2. The only reason he failed was because he tried to like step off instead of jump. I'm not counting 4 since that was more of a fault of his technique than a silly mistake.
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Post by sackeshi on Jun 13, 2021 6:47:56 GMT -5
Yamada Sasuke 6/10- Both were recoverable and mishaps. Still don't understand how he fell off sideways lol.
Nagano Sasuke 12 and (Whoever she was from Kunoichi 3) Missed the buzzer of the first attempt and missed out by 0.1 so easily could have won.
The Delivery person Sasuke 24 when he got tied up in the safety cables.
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Jun 13, 2021 20:59:07 GMT -5
Yamada Sasuke 6/10- Both were recoverable and mishaps. Still don't understand how he fell off sideways lol. Nagano Sasuke 12 and (Whoever she was from Kunoichi 3) Missed the buzzer of the first attempt and missed out by 0.1 so easily could have won. The Delivery person Sasuke 24 when he got tied up in the safety cables. If Nagano couldn't do it in his first 3 times, Yamada whose bigger and not as speedy probably wouldn't
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Post by subtleagent on Jun 14, 2021 12:19:52 GMT -5
I'm in the boat who thinks Yamada wouldn't have kanzened in 6 or 10. As mentioned before he was notorious for being slow even in his prime AND it took the faster and more agile Nagano 4 tries to do it, plus he would have been the first competitor to attempt this Final in 6. Combining those facts, the odds would have definitely been stacked against him. No one has beaten a Final Stage in it's introductory tournament (as the first tournament where it's attempted) except Yuuji in 27 and that was because that Final was nerfed because Monster9 was about to go bankrupt and they wanted to end it with a champion.
As far as Nagano in 12 goes, he definitely would've kanzened had he not had that slip on the Spider Climb. That took away a good 1 or 2 seconds that would have made the difference (and his win in 17 further cements that).
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Jul 24, 2021 1:59:54 GMT -5
Honestly Takeda in 23 had he not stuck out his leg that much on Spiderflip as Gliding Ring would be an obstacle Takeda could probably beat, and also the final stage was literally designed to be something he would do well in. I would also add Yamada in 4 had he not messed up propeller bar as he would have more grip strength for cliffhanger and also could have beaten pipe slider as the jump was easier.
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Post by Rafas on Jul 24, 2021 4:12:07 GMT -5
Which runs do you think could’ve been Kanzens if it wasn’t for a certain slip-up/mistake/physical or mental error? Obvs there are loads so give those that particularly stood out to you, preferably those that were in the competitor's hands and not due to something out of their control like weather, or them running out of strength, because neither of those things can be helped (hence not counting Nagano in 21 or in 23, for example, or David Campbell in 27). Ones that stand out to me were: - Travis Schroeder in Sasuke 4: his aggressive all-in tactics worked until the Pipe Slider, where they caused the bar to derail; it was also my understanding that he actually cleared the stage (someone correct me if I'm wrong) then got disqualified). So he clearly had the capability to have made the jump, and given his Navy background the Final Stage would've been no trouble for him. - Shinji Kobayashi in Sasuke 11: his level of speed would've put him in really good stead for the Final Stage; if only he'd actually mustered up the courage to have attempted the Pipe Slider jump.... I'm not including his run in 14 given that the Pipe Slider jump was much harder than the one he failed and given how many swings he needed on the Devil Balanco he would've most likely run out of strength like Koji Yamada did in 16. - Bunpei Shiratori in Sasuke 13: given how close he came to Kanzen in 12 and his tireless training, he would've no doubt done better on the Final Stage if he'd had another shot at it. His jump was just inches away from being a second consecutive Final Stage attempt; if only he'd kept the bar straight/prevented it from rolling back like he did in 12 (I know, way easier said than done). I'm not including his run in 16 because his jump was way off the mark and seemed much more a function of his exhaustion, while in 13 he actually landed but just slipped backwards. Yamada in 10. I just rewatched Sasuke 10 and honestly his fail was heartbreaking. If he had managed to clear stage 3 in Sasuke 6 I think he wouldn't've kanzened but gotten experience for Sasuke 10, oh and it would've broken him and he would've spent 25 hours a day training for it. I think he would've kanzened then.
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Post by dakohosu on Jul 24, 2021 8:08:14 GMT -5
Takeda in 23 and Yamada in 4 I agree with, due to the former’s unquestionable rope climbing skills and the latter’s near miss that he undoubtedly trained relentlessly for.
I’m still unconvinced that Yamada would’ve Kanzened in 10. If Nagano who was a good 10kg lighter and much more agile failed that Final Stage three times in a row then I definitely doubt that Yamada would’ve done it on his first try. Let’s not forget Yamada’s never been the fastest competitor (especially on Stage 2 which has the Spider Walk) and unlike the first Final Stage there’s much more of an element of agility and speed due to the added Spider Climb element.
Yamada fundamentally I feel just didn’t have the right body type for the second Final Stage; Nagano’s smaller stature and arguably much more explosive power (I’d argue even his raw strength as well) wasn’t enough despite four years of training, so Yamada wouldn’t have had much of a chance imo.
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Post by sasukeninjawarrior on Jul 24, 2021 22:00:13 GMT -5
Takeda in 23 and Yamada in 4 I agree with, due to the former’s unquestionable rope climbing skills and the latter’s near miss that he undoubtedly trained relentlessly for. I’m still unconvinced that Yamada would’ve Kanzened in 10. If Nagano who was a good 10kg lighter and much more agile failed that Final Stage three times in a row then I definitely doubt that Yamada would’ve done it on his first try. Let’s not forget Yamada’s never been the fastest competitor (especially on Stage 2 which has the Spider Walk) and unlike the first Final Stage there’s much more of an element of agility and speed due to the added Spider Climb element. Yamada fundamentally I feel just didn’t have the right body type for the second Final Stage; Nagano’s smaller stature and arguably much more explosive power (I’d argue even his raw strength as well) wasn’t enough despite four years of training, so Yamada wouldn’t have had much of a chance imo. I think he would do Kane Kosugi pace on the final stage spider climb at best, Tomo at worse. If he does do a Kane pace, he might get at least somewhat close, but I still don’t think he would Kanzen.
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