That's definitely an unpopular opinion, but I actually agree with you.
It's only been considered stale because it (and to be honest the entire back half of the course) a time-waster, and up until SASUKE 38, competitors generally had way too much time to waste. So by the time they'd make it past the Spider Drop, there was no urgency or prospect of a down-to-the-wire finish which made the Backstream just really boring to watch, especially as basically no one directly fails it now. So having an unfailable back half of the course doesn't really work when the time limit is too lenient because a clear is basically guaranteed once competitors pass the Spider Drop.
In 38, the back half of the course was so exciting because you knew that any slip-up or delay could cause a time-out. Seeing the competitors exhausted trying to rush through the last three obstacles in a desperate effort to clear before time runs out was the intended purpose of those obstacles and was never realised until now due to the lenient time limit and lack of real challenge throughout the first half of the stage.
Post by Ninja Relaxer on Jan 4, 2021 11:39:29 GMT -5
The rest people were taking after the Backstream reminded me of the rest people traditionally take before the Wall. It was an actual tension-filled moment, because you knew that resting too long or not long enough could result in a time-out. So yeah, Stage 2 was the best it's been in years.
Post by Cosmic Castaway on Jan 4, 2021 12:04:48 GMT -5
As much as i don't want to admit it, Takeda is severely overrated. Also, according to interviews every time he fails he comes off as arrogant reaching Yamada levels in terms of explaining why he failed.
Post by Cosmic Castaway on Jan 4, 2021 12:15:50 GMT -5
Despite Shingo not reaching further than stage 1 in years, it amuses me to see whether he fails the trampoline time and time again. These days, he runs the course strictly for fun so i can deal with that.
A cousin of mine who used to watch the G4 Ninja Warrior with me would always say that Kane was the most overrated competitor of the show.
Looking back, I can see why he did, Kane did fail the Cliffhanger, Body Prop and the 3rd version Spider Walk (staples of the show, ironically once he left) but you gotta consider they were all new to him.
Either way, he still considers Kane more overrated than Yamada
I never considered Kane overrated but I’m biased because the first time I saw him on Sasuke was Sasuke 8 where he made the Final Stage, so this being the first impression I got of him made a massive difference.
I do agree that none of his runs prior to that were that outstanding though. I always wonder how he would’ve done if he continued competing. Surely he was legitimate Kanzen material if he continued to train and compete in the way he did as he stopped.
Two unpopular opinions off the top of my head: - Akira Omori is underrated: a lot of people brush under his 3 Final Stage attempts because the era was easy, but just remember that no one trained for Sasuke at the time, and none of those who ended up being really high profile competitors like Shingo and Yamada, as well as professional athletes, could match the comedian’s high level consistency. - Akiyama wouldn’t have been made an All-Star if he hadn’t achieved Kanzen. The All-Stars were chosen around Sasuke 9, by which point Akiyama was 4 consecutive Stage 1 failures deep including a fail on the first obstacle. I’m certain that the producers HAD to make him an All-Star just because he was the lone champion at the time; had he failed Stage 2 or 3 in Sasuke 4 then I don’t think he would’ve been given the title.
^I have to agree with the Bunpei comment, but not because I think he wasn’t influential enough. He was the first competitor to build an entire course replica that so many people trained on, which gave him a strong distinction. He was also second to Nagano when he competed as he had stronger Stage 3 potential than Takeda and was more consistent than Shingo, Akiyama or Nagano. So in terms of raw skill, he defo was All-Star level.
The reason why I think he was a poor fit is because I feel like he was given the title on little merit. He made the Final, then the Third Stage again; so the producers were like ‘oh he’s done well twice, so let’s make him an All-Star’ which sort of undermines the prestige of the title. Hiroyuki Asaoka also made the Final and the Third Stage in his next tournament similar to Bunpei, but was frequently ignored and underrated. Bunpei also never seems to hang out with the All-Stars anymore in a way that even Yamada does now. His stint was also insanely short, having only competed like 10 times, which isn’t reflective of the overarching effect on the show’s entire history that people like Nagano, Shingo and Takeda have had. It’s almost the equivalent to making Shunsuke Nagasaki an All-Star after Sasuke 17; he deserves the title by merit, but would he have been a good fit? Debatable.
He always struck me as the outsider of the All-Stars for those above reasons. I also think most of his influence and impact was just by virtue of the fact that he was an All-Star.
Here's one that will probably go down as unpopular: I don't find Morimoto that exciting to watch when he competes, especially on Stage 1 and 2.
I won't deny that his approach is effective. Just look as his results, and the way he dominates on Stage 3 (that's probably where he's most fun to watch). But from an aesthetic standpoint his methodical approach to running the course, especially stages 1 and 2 just don't excite me all that much. I enjoyed watching Nagano because Nagano had a flair when he ran the course and back when he was dominating, the way he went through the obstacles looked so effortless, same can be said of Yuuji. Basically there's many other competitors (who don't match up to Morimoto results wise) whom I get more excited about when they compete on stages 1 and 2: Asa, Anastase, Tomohiro, Sato, Ryo, and back when he was still competing [Redacted].
I've had this thought that he's the equivalent of Tim Duncan in Sasuke: very successful and very effective, but generally not that exciting.
I think Yusuke is more of a GOAT than Nagano; all he needs is more international publicity and more people will agree. The reason why Nagano was seen as the GOAT is that he was top dog in the vast majority of the tournaments aired on G4, which I'm sure represented most of our early tastes of the show (as I gather the majority of us aren't from Japan). Therefore for most of us, Nagano was our first synonym with 'Ninja Warrior' or 'The Greatest Ninja', and first impressions tend to stick for a long time.
I know I'm going to upset a lot of All-Star fans when I say that everything Nagano did in his prime, Yusuke has done as well if not better. - Yusuke is more resilient to obstacle overhauls and is arguably more consistent on Stage 3 (Nagano has 5/11 clears, Yusuke has 4/7 on a harder course including getting through several tough obstacles on his first attempt) - Yusuke's achieved 2 Total Victories before the age of 30 during a time where Sasuke tournaments occurred less often (only once a year vs 2-3 times a year for Nagano era) while Nagano only achieved victory once at age 34 - There's arguably a bigger gap between Morimoto and the rest of the field compared to Nagano: Morimoto's made the Final Stage 4 times and every single time he's been the only one to even clear Stage 3; in 3/5 of Nagano's attempts, at least 1 other competitor made the Final Stage as well. I could go on....
Bunpei wasn't influential or impactful enough to be considered an All Star.
I actually agree with this, just not to the same extent.
Bunpei, to me, is by far the least memorable, impactful and successful All-Star. So many people talk about him like some Nagano tier contender, but I'm sorry, that was literally never the case.
He was the last All-Star to arrive, and the first to leave. His "golden age" consists of just six tournaments (Sasuke 12-17), which while impressive, were completely overshadowed by Nagano's golden-age occurring at the same time.
Every single other All-Star, including Yamada, did well over a longer period than Bunpei. He was the only All-Star that seemed tacked on, lacking a concrete "role" and "impact" on the show that all the others had.
TL;DR: When we look at what an All-Star is supposed to be: a representative of the golden-age of the show, with large significance in Sasuke's history and a fitting track record to boot, Bunpei arguably only fulfils the latter.