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Post by Captain Obvious on Jun 1, 2009 0:26:45 GMT -5
Anyone who has read Idk's thread about the Jump Hang of Sasuke 13 has seen my opinion on the significance of the Spider Flip and that I really would like it to stay intact until the Final Stage v3 is cleared.
That's not to say it couldn't be adjusted, and I think there's enough to discuss to warrant its own thread. Is the Spider Flip just fine as it is? Do you think it can be improved with some minor changes that don't change the spirit of the obstacle?
I personally think that the obstacle is functionally sound. The climbing part of the obstacle is appropriate in my view, but I feel that the jumping distance could stand to be increased by 20 or 25 centimeters. I believe this change of distance would only slightly increase the difficulty of the obstacle. However, I believe that modest increase would make the obstacle appear much more difficult (because the difference between the jumping distance and the height of the competitor would increase by 50% or more).
So... what do you think? Some of you have different views and viewpoints. Let's hear 'em!
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Post by Oti on Jun 1, 2009 0:33:43 GMT -5
Increasing the distance would be great. It would definitely make more people fail there. A friend of mine is about 5' 4" (on a good day  ) and when he tries my Spider Flip (about 7.2 feet wide) he just BARELY fails it. If it were closer like the real Spider Flip, he would be beating it every time. That small increase in distance will definitely make or break some competitors' performances. Also, I want to see someone fall from that height. |
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Post by Lennon on Jun 1, 2009 0:45:52 GMT -5
Yeah, I always wondered how much it would hurt if you fail from up there, especially if you lost control and flipped all over the place before hitting the water.
But yeah, the only way I can really see any adujustments with the obstacle is the increase in distance. Of course, I thought of actually climbing over the other side of the Spider flip instead of going under, but then I guess you would really have to think of a way to get down from that height.
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Post by davidcampbell on Jun 1, 2009 1:24:36 GMT -5
6' is too close in my opinion for a stage 3 obstacle. It's supposed to be hard, and anyone for the most part can do a 6' gap. 7' would be better.
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Post by SRW on Jun 1, 2009 5:10:45 GMT -5
It's supposed to be a 2 m gap - make it 3 and see what happens!
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Post by ouchthathurtstv on Jun 1, 2009 5:56:33 GMT -5
Kanno was the closest we've ever head to a spider flip failure. If I make it that far(extremely unlikely)I won't do it. But I think the spider flip could go. I wouldn't get that far anyway. I'd wipe out at the Jumping Bars.
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 1, 2009 9:44:12 GMT -5
You can do 2 things to the Spider Flip.
1. Increase the distance.
2. Put a clock on how long you can stand on it before you have to jump. That way you're forced to take a rest on the green bar afterwards as the course designers planned.
I'm a fan of the latter since once you get your footing on the Spider Flip you've pretty much beaten Stage 3 (assuming the Gliding Ring is in working order). Keep the contestant moving on the obstacle and fatigue can take the place of a longer jump.
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Post by Homeslice on Jun 1, 2009 10:18:08 GMT -5
Yeah, I always wondered how much it would hurt if you fail from up there, especially if you lost control and flipped all over the place before hitting the water. Probably a lawsuit and the cancellation of SASUKE. Ok, maybe not, but that'd be a long way down. A LONG way down. |
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Post by supersheep on Jun 1, 2009 10:39:58 GMT -5
What i did to the Spider Flip I think starting in Sasuke 23, it's still there in 29,
From the 4th jumping bar I have another gap of equal distance, at the other side of that gap I have a curtain hanging from the spider flip. You have to jump to that curtain and climb it to the spider flip. I left the jump alone.
This has taken out more than a few, that gap has taken out several and in 1 tournament 5 failed the spider flip, now the fact that many got there is a whole other issue, but point is, that seemed to make it a lot harder.
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Post by SRW on Jun 1, 2009 14:06:47 GMT -5
You can do 2 things to the Spider Flip. 1. Increase the distance. 2. Put a clock on how long you can stand on it before you have to jump. That way you're forced to take a rest on the green bar afterwards as the course designers planned. I'm a fan of the latter since once you get your footing on the Spider Flip you've pretty much beaten Stage 3 (assuming the Gliding Ring is in working order). Keep the contestant moving on the obstacle and fatigue can take the place of a longer jump. I might be wrong but surely the 30 second limit between obstacles still stands when your stood on the spider flip rest ledge before the jump?, I would have thought so anyway. |
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Post by scnoi1217 on Jun 1, 2009 14:20:15 GMT -5
The 30 second rule hasn't been enforced at all for awhile. Nagano took at least two minutes on the green bar before the Gliding Ring (and that's with possible editing). I think Yuji took about 30 seconds but nothing seems to really be enforced.
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Post by quasikoz on Jun 1, 2009 15:17:21 GMT -5
You can do 2 things to the Spider Flip. 1. Increase the distance. 2. Put a clock on how long you can stand on it before you have to jump. That way you're forced to take a rest on the green bar afterwards as the course designers planned. I'm a fan of the latter since once you get your footing on the Spider Flip you've pretty much beaten Stage 3 (assuming the Gliding Ring is in working order). Keep the contestant moving on the obstacle and fatigue can take the place of a longer jump. I might be wrong but surely the 30 second limit between obstacles still stands when your stood on the spider flip rest ledge before the jump?, I would have thought so anyway. I don't think they're enforcing a clock WHILE you're on an obstacle though. Standing and resting on the Jumping Spider for 5 minutes is kinda like a loophole if they're clocking people inbetween obstacles. That's why I suggest a clock for the Jumping Spider once both feet are on that little ledge. |
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Post by Oti on Jun 1, 2009 15:44:46 GMT -5
You can take all the time you want on the OBSTACLE. You could be hanging from the Cliff Hanger for ten minutes if you wanted.
They should leave that alone and instead take out the green bar before the Gliding Ring.
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Post by bigblind168 on Jun 1, 2009 16:22:38 GMT -5
I might be wrong but surely the 30 second limit between obstacles still stands when your stood on the spider flip rest ledge before the jump?, I would have thought so anyway. I don't think they're enforcing a clock WHILE you're on an obstacle though. Standing and resting on the Jumping Spider for 5 minutes is kinda like a loophole if they're clocking people inbetween obstacles. That's why I suggest a clock for the Jumping Spider once both feet are on that little ledge. why would the jumping spider need a timelimit? its in a timed stage! but i know whta u mean. And the 30 second rly doesnt rlyn do anything. If i remember right, in 17 Nagano took 45 minutes on stage 3, takeda took 55! Its not like they'll get the hulk to climb up their and get you to do the obstacle, they'll just be mad |
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Post by BLM on Jun 1, 2009 17:27:52 GMT -5
I think they should make the Ascending Climb shorter and make the climb to the jumping area of the spider flip sloped
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Post by SRW on Jun 1, 2009 17:36:34 GMT -5
Well if thats the case why not just rest for ages to make sure your gonna pass if there really is no penalty for taking ages and ages? Between any of the obstacles really.
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Post by TCM on Jun 1, 2009 20:35:51 GMT -5
2M is strictly a safety issue. Its bad enough you can really hurt yourself on, save for Wall Lift ANY obstacle (yes--even the steps and hammer). Anymore will make it difficult, but there's always the one guy who'll jump wrong and frail into the water and break a rib from the force of the water splash and that's the last thing Sasuke needs. You want a hard Spider Flip -- watch Viking's Heartbreaker.
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Post by Oti on Jun 1, 2009 21:47:31 GMT -5
Yeah, but Sasuke can't use the real Heart Breaker. There's not enough room. Maybe increase the distance to 2.5 or 3 meters wide and make the landing wall lower? I dunno. I just wish I had made my Spider Flip adjustable somehow. It took so long to build... now it's useless. After one day.  |
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Post by VenusHeadTrap on Jun 2, 2009 16:29:25 GMT -5
Naw it's cool, it's useless that I don't get to own one lol. You can have it for show and still practice.
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Post by Oti on Jun 2, 2009 23:10:02 GMT -5
If you want to come help me dig it up, you can have it. |
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) and when he tries my Spider Flip (about 7.2 feet wide) he just BARELY fails it. If it were closer like the real Spider Flip, he would be beating it every time.
