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Post by BigT on Sept 14, 2020 5:13:47 GMT -5
After watching another ChiBi's video, I decided to come up with another thread because I didn't want to disturb the subtitled videos thread.
So my question is: do you want Kane to return?
For a long time I would've immediately said yes but now I don't know. I feel that his exit from Sasuke was so majestic that it would almost be a shame to see him back. Think about Yamada Katsumi - he didn't know when to stop and now we often remember him for the fails and forget the early success he had. Then we have underwhelming returns of people like Naoki Iketani, Akira Omori or even Bunpei Shiratori. Well, Kane's return would come with an almost 20 year difference which if I am not mistaken would be by far the longest. Frankly, I don't see him doing that well. Perhaps he could clear stage 1 (and keep the perfect clear record) but he is not a threat in stage 3 like he used to be.
So, what do you think? Would you like to see him just for the sake of it?
For those who haven't seen it yet, here's the video (subtitled for non-Japanese speakers!). All credit goes to ChiBi.
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Post by tns8597 on Sept 14, 2020 6:45:37 GMT -5
I'm quite glad you said this because I think this point is very overlooked.
A lot of people say that they want old faces to return, probably out of nostalgia, but the fact of the matter is: what's the point if they're really not going to do that well?
There's always this suggestion, not just across SASUKE, but various different industries, that you should stop once you've reached the peak of your success or popularity, because otherwise you'll be known most recently for the decline that would follow. Yamada's a good example here, where had he retired in SASUKE 12 he would've been remembered much more fondly. It's a hard rule to apply to SASUKE though, because if you perform well in one tournament it makes you hooked and want to come back, which is why we very rarely see someone perform their best on their last ever tournament and most veterans end up retiring after several disappointing results. There are some exceptions like Okuyama and Asa, but these retirements were basically forced due to injury.
Kane's a special case because he did indeed perform best on his last attempt, and what a last attempt that was; we know that he would've probably still competed if it wasn't for the video game kerfuffle but still nonetheless. Hence, he's remembered most fondly for his absolute beast attempt at the course given the weather conditions that plagued that tournament. Because this is such a rare case, I think it'd be especially disappointing if he came back 20 years later and failed the First Stage, which, given that all the obstacles are new and he'll be 46 at the time of the next tournament, I think is incredibly likely.
Fundamentally, we just don't want his near-Kanzenseiha to be shrouded by an overhyped but likely disappointing return. Most people, however, don't realise this and just keep begging him and Shane to return.
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Post by Ninja Relaxer on Sept 14, 2020 11:19:53 GMT -5
No. He's too old to do well. If he comes back, it should be as a trainer for a younger competitor, or as a guest in the announcer's booth. That way we get to see him, but we don't have to watch him fail the First Stage.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Sept 14, 2020 16:41:38 GMT -5
Well, Kane's return would come with an almost 20 year difference which if I am not mistaken would be by far the longest. Correct. The current record holder is Yoshinaga Katsumi, who appeared in SASUKE 35 after absent for 25 tournaments and 16 years *2002 to 2018*. I remember someone else who also miss 25 tournaments and become the record holder before him, but he only had 14 years difference *1999 to 2013*. Kane would broke it with 29 tournaments and 19 years, if he did return in SASUKE 38. I would say Yes, because I really wanted to see if he can keep up with the course. One failure won't cancel all his previous legacy on SASUKE. Just like Shiratori Bunpei in SASUKE 30. Did everyone suddenly forgot what he done because of that failure? No. So I expect the same for Kane.
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Post by yusukeisthegoat227 on Sept 14, 2020 18:03:56 GMT -5
I just looked it up, and Kane is 45. I think it's best if he just stays retires. And yes, his run in Sasuke 8 was an epic way to end things...
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Post by tns8597 on Sept 14, 2020 18:30:05 GMT -5
Bunpei is only fondly remembered because he was an All-Star. Also, he was already sort of declining before his return in SASUKE 30 anyway, given that his Shin-SASUKE performances were really sub-par, so it wasn't that much of a step-down.
Adding to Kane's age, I sincerely doubt that someone who's not set foot on the course in 20 years and hasn't seen basically any of the new obstacles is going to clear the stage at an age that LITERALLY NO ONE has been able to. Sure, he's an action star, but at this point raw physical strength and athleticism is superseded by specific obstacle training, which I'm certain Kane doesn't do.
If Kane returns, it's likely he'll fail Stage 1, which both ruins his trademark 5 for 5 record and will, in some cases, take precedence over his Final Stage run as it would be by far his most recent attempt. It's best I think if he returns in one way or another, just not as a listed competitor.
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Post by Kowai Yume on Sept 14, 2020 19:16:12 GMT -5
Yeah I don't see him competing anytime soon. I mean if you want a definitive answer you can ask him when he streams.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Sept 14, 2020 20:35:25 GMT -5
I want him to come back simply because we have the same first name (I even based my SMF username off him!). However, if he were to compete again he wouldn't beat the Dragon Glider tbh, and I'd rather not see his legacy tainted after his Sasuke 8 run.
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azn
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Post by azn on Sept 23, 2020 16:46:48 GMT -5
maybe it would be cool to see him on ANW tho, age in ANW isn't as much as a threat than Sasuke considering guys like Jimmy Choi and Travis Rosen competed in their 40's, and others compete even at older ages. I also think that maybe he could be an analyst for Sasuke, especially how international Sasuke is now, maybe he can be a interviewer or something.
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Sept 23, 2020 17:20:50 GMT -5
I voted no because there are obvious reasons as to why it would be disappointing for Kane to return after all this time:
• He would be another case of a celebrity whom I don't enjoy watching on the program anymore. • There would be like a 90% chance of him failing Stage 1 due to no longer training for the show and it would also destroy his 100% clear rate of the 1st Stage. • It would be stupid if he felt blackmailed about many people persuading him to come back to SASUKE.
The guys 46 now and nobody that old has ever cleared Stage 1 (although Shingo or Takeda might break the record in 38) and he has kept saying that maybe one day he will compete but has never returned and I definitely feel like it's too late for him to come back now. His Final Stage attempt in 8 was the best way for him to end his SASUKE career, even if it was on sad note as it was his best performance ever and that he was close to achieving total victory.
I also agree with the person who said up there that it would be delightful if he returned to cheer on others as a special guest, that way he wouldn't disappointly return to competing and produce his worst attempt ever by failing early at Stage 1 for the first time, on an obstacle that he is unfamiliar with (Rolling Hill and Warped Wall being the only exceptions.)
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Post by r34gtr on Oct 2, 2020 21:26:46 GMT -5
Something DOES tell me that he still hasn't gotten over it, combined with all of the M9 drama.
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Post by Kowai Yume on Oct 2, 2020 23:13:19 GMT -5
He did played some of the Kinniku Banzuke games on his stream multiple times so he may have gotten over it somewhat. I wouldn't bet money on him coming back, though .
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Post by Sasuke Mania on Oct 3, 2020 12:55:26 GMT -5
Personally, I think there could be a chance of a return. Kane officially "retired" I guess in 2004 with Pro Sportsman, and that caused a bit of an injury. Despite this, he returned in 2018 with Spodan. Of course, if he competed on Sasuke again, that would be a HUGE gap between his last appearance and that current appearance, so he'll definitely struggle. If I had to guess, Fishbone or Dragon Glider could cause some issues, but he MIGHT still clear. But he's in his late 40s, so it would absolutely be a challenge. I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Amber on Oct 3, 2020 19:31:12 GMT -5
Eh, I'd prefer to let him live forever as a legend. I love that he has a perfect stage one clear streak, I feel he risks losing it too much if he comes back.
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