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Post by s0y30nwin on Aug 24, 2020 6:48:14 GMT -5
Yeah, basically i want to know who do you guys think about the most overrated competitor on Sasuke of all time
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 24, 2020 9:08:34 GMT -5
Here are mine:
- Darvish: I think most people on this thread know why and would agree
- Yamada: he was only given high numbers and hyped up because of his unusual obsession with the show, not because he was actually that strong a competitor. Sure, he had a few close calls here and there but most of his runs ended at Stage 1 or 2 (he’s competed in like 30 seasons, only made Stage 3 on 4 occasions). He’s also got a very arrogant and selfish personality and was never really friends with the other All-Stars I gather.
- Hiromichi Sato: same reasons as Darvish really. Got too much screen time and really high numbers based on little merit; only made Stage 2 twice.
- Kawaguchi: I don’t really think he’s as overrated as the above but he’s definitely not worthy of getting 99 constantly. The only reason he does is because he’s only 1 of 3 competitors in the rising era to have made the final stage up until SASUKE 36, the other being Morimoto who’s viewed as the only stronger competitor and the third being Ryo who saw a huge decline after S30. Still though, he’s not really distinguishably stronger than like Jun Sato who gets digested constantly.
- Levi: yes he put on some very strong and very fast performances, but there have been stronger American competitors (who I won’t name) that haven’t got near the credit or screen time. He also sucked at Stage 3 which I personally see as the deciding factor on how strong a competitor is. To me it doesn’t matter if a competitor dominates Stages 1 or 2. If they don’t show any signs of being able to get past Stage 3 then in my eyes they’re not really a candidate for total victory (obvs Takeda also didn’t make it past Stage 3, but he got super close multiple times).
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Aug 24, 2020 17:50:48 GMT -5
Darvish, I 100% agree because the guy's not worth my time to watch than everybody else on SASUKE. And if Hiromichi competed again after SASUKE 29 where he failed the very first obstacle, do you think he would receive a lower starting position?
Also, I really think that Yamada was contionusly given high numbers because the producers really thought that he had a chance to clear Stage 1 again which never happened after his break in 13.
And same with me, I'll be p**sed off if Kawaguchi receives #99 again in the next tournament, if Tada stupidly wants a low number again and Rene is unable to make it to 38, then it has to be Yuuji that wears it because he's the Double Grand Champion whose worn this number on five occasions and has still proven to himself in the last two competitions that he can make it far in the 3rd Stage.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Aug 25, 2020 3:52:46 GMT -5
Darvish, without doubt. Dude clears Stage 1 a couple times, makes Stage 3 once, and suddenly they're giving him as much screentime as an All-Star or Champion. In fact, just literally any celebrity competitor aside from Jovchev, Kane Kosugi and Akira Omori.
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Post by dyer on Aug 26, 2020 0:32:04 GMT -5
I think Katsumi Yamada is at the top of the list. He was so dedicated to achieving Kanzenseiha that he chose SASUKE over his family, to the point where they refuse to talk with him. And his dream just never came true. So I think Yamada is the most overrated competitor.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 26, 2020 5:25:43 GMT -5
I think Yamada is super overrated relative to his actual performances but it’s how much a part of the show he was which is why I don’t think he’s as overrated as the celebrities who, while famous, don’t contribute anywhere near as much as the regular veterans or the All-Stars did.
That said though, I’m talking purely from the perspective of a fan who knows all these competitors; I suppose a lot of viewers will be just watching it for fun and won’t know a lot of the regulars, so the celebrities would increase the interest for them and will convince them to watch for longer (which is why celebrities always get higher numbers).
I’d definitely have to go with Darvish. Sato and Wakky also got really high numbers and screen time but it was kind of justified because they’d competed on other shows like Pro Sportsman and Viking. Darvish always got loads of screen time but I don’t think his merit actually justifies it. ABC-Z as well but not to the same extent; I remember he said in his Stage 2 Sasuke 34 fluff piece ‘I will clear the final stage’ and I just remember thinking ‘haha no you ain’t’
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2020 10:13:08 GMT -5
ABCZ I hate him with every fiber of my being
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Post by tns8597 on Sept 5, 2020 15:38:15 GMT -5
Why ABC-Z? He's basically just a less annoying version of Darvish, who I think is way more overrated based on the numbers he gets, the amount of screen time, and everything effectively.
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Sept 5, 2020 17:59:13 GMT -5
Why ABC-Z? He's basically just a less annoying version of Darvish, who I think is way more overrated based on the numbers he gets, the amount of screen time, and everything effectively. I still find it annoying when he also gets as much screen-time as Darvish like when he's one of the only people seen supporting challengers like Hioki and Yuuji when he hasn't even been featured in their YouTube videos before. He's also another case of a celebrity which makes me dislike him too. |
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Sept 5, 2020 18:06:55 GMT -5
Honestly, Keitaro. What has the man REALLY done?
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Sept 6, 2020 3:14:03 GMT -5
Honestly, Keitaro. What has the man REALLY done? No, I like Keitaro and what he has done is worked hard to qualify for SASUKE in 2008, and in the present he is now working hard to become a top challenger as in 36, he officially become one of the members of the Morimoto Sedai and he's trying to reach the 3rd Stage which I really hope he does in the next tournament, with possibly a Final Stage attempt and total victory. For me, he's an interesting challenger and I will be extremely p**sed if he gets digested in the next tournament or more in the future (except for clearing Stage 2 after the first time) as Inui probably doesn't think he's one of the important challengers, which I think he is. He's also been usually getting numbers in the 90s which I think he deserves, as long as he performs well and gets his runs shown in full. |
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Post by tns8597 on Sept 6, 2020 4:12:02 GMT -5
I don’t think Keitaro is overrated at all, if anything underrated because his performances haven’t reflected his true potential.
He’s just been getting digested quite a lot because he seems to have this Stage 2 blockade, I have no idea why (because he gets digested constantly it’s hard to tell, I guess Backstream?) but I think he’s the dark horse of this era.
Morimoto more recently Tada are established as serious threats for total victory, Araki and Sato have effectively proved that they can’t make it past Stage 3, and Ugajin is sort of in the middle of nowhere.
Keitaro’s the one out of the group who has arguably the most potential maybe save for Morimoto, as he’s shown to be able to clear Stage 3 with ease in practice. I just hope he gets a chance soon.
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Post by sasukefinnja on Sept 6, 2020 4:27:26 GMT -5
I have to say Keitaro as well...The guy has trained a lot and definitely had a lot of passion but still...after all these times and after all these tries he hasn't still managed to make it into Stage 3. Even Darvish has done it but Keitaro hasn't. We all know that Keitaro has ability to even make it past Stage 3 but he hasn't even been there. He has been given a lot of opportunities but he hasn't still achieved anything. That's why I think he's the most overrated competitor. I like him a lot but I still think he's overrated.
It's not about potential. It's not about what he could have done. It's about results and Keitaro doesn't have any success.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Sept 6, 2020 4:46:04 GMT -5
I don’t think Keitaro is overrated at all, if anything underrated because his performances haven’t reflected his true potential. He’s just been getting digested quite a lot because he seems to have this Stage 2 blockade, I have no idea why (because he gets digested constantly it’s hard to tell, I guess Backstream?) but I think he’s the dark horse of this era. Morimoto more recently Tada are established as serious threats for total victory, Araki and Sato have effectively proved that they can’t make it past Stage 3, and Ugajin is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Keitaro’s the one out of the group who has arguably the most potential maybe save for Morimoto, as he’s shown to be able to clear Stage 3 with ease in practice. I just hope he gets a chance soon. If anything the fans like us have overrated him. Hyping up his strength, betting on him FINALLY getting to Stage 3 only to fail every single time. He's not going to do it, sadly. I can name so many people who always guessed Keitaro was going to surpass what he's delivered and has failed every time. Either he's overrated or quite simply, he's not good enough. |
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Sept 6, 2020 5:05:33 GMT -5
I don’t think Keitaro is overrated at all, if anything underrated because his performances haven’t reflected his true potential. He’s just been getting digested quite a lot because he seems to have this Stage 2 blockade, I have no idea why (because he gets digested constantly it’s hard to tell, I guess Backstream?) but I think he’s the dark horse of this era. Morimoto more recently Tada are established as serious threats for total victory, Araki and Sato have effectively proved that they can’t make it past Stage 3, and Ugajin is sort of in the middle of nowhere. Keitaro’s the one out of the group who has arguably the most potential maybe save for Morimoto, as he’s shown to be able to clear Stage 3 with ease in practice. I just hope he gets a chance soon. If anything the fans like us have overrated him. Hyping up his strength, betting on him FINALLY getting to Stage 3 only to fail every single time. He's not going to do it, sadly. I can name so many people who always guessed Keitaro was going to surpass what he's delivered and has failed every time. Either he's overrated or quite simply, he's not good enough. He is slowly but surely getting there, last time he reached the 2nd Stage, he almost cleared but timed out at the final obstacle about just five seconds from clearing. And if he had even reached the 2nd Stage in 37, he would have for sure been able to clear, as the Backstream was watered down and he practiced hard for the Wall Lift too. Although the only mistake he could have made in Stage 2 was failing in the middle of the Spider Walk, if his foot slipped from traversing the obstacle a bit too quick. In 38, I am confident he will finally make it to Stage 3 and if he does, I will celebrate with joy as I've been waiting a few years to see this happen. I also really hope that he is given a starting position in the 90s again, just because he failed Stage 1 due to the rain last time, doesn't mean he should drop down which I would hate to see anyway. Lastly, I hope that he will be shown in full broadcast again like in 35 and 37, as he's now a member of a new fellow challenger group dubbed the Morimoto Sedai and that he isn't Shunsuke who gets digested all the time. If he makes it to the 2nd Stage and finally clears, he has to be shown fully over there, as it would look really stupid to digest someone who is passionate about the show and finally achieved his success. And tbs8597, Araki does also have a chance of reaching Stage 4, as he was able to beat the Vertical Limit Kai in practice on Urushihara's video. |
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Post by tns8597 on Sept 6, 2020 7:30:35 GMT -5
Maybe he is overrated by fans due to his unrealised potential, but he’s certainly not overrated by TBS who constantly digest him.
Sure, he’s been given a few high numbers, but him getting 93 was justified in SASUKE 36 as he was only one of 8 to clear the first stage in the previous tournament, and didn’t have anything to do with this ‘unrealised potential’.
At the end of the day, he’s only 29 so I think it’s quite naive to say that there’s no chance he’ll make it to Stage 3. He’s largely been improving throughout his Stage 2 runs so he’s definitely getting there, unlike say, Shingo and Iketani who kept regressing to the point that there was no chance they’d make the final.
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