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Post by BigT on Aug 11, 2020 13:27:03 GMT -5
The dumbing down of stage 3 in Sasuke 27 took a bit away from Yuuji's win in my opinion. It's a great achievement but never has the course been made so much easier. Sasuke 33 to 35 seems somewhat balanced and reasonable but there's no excuse for 27 given that competitors started doing better on the cliffhanger and someone would've cleared eventually like they conquered shin-Sasuke third stage. In my opinion, they should've kept floating boards in 26, too.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 11, 2020 14:07:05 GMT -5
I mean... the Swap Salmon Ladder being replaced with the Salmon Ladder Kudari/Noboru was due to the amount of disqualifications on the former, but I always felt that the decision was a cop out.The Swap Salmon Ladder was a cool, unique obstacle and they could've ironed out the flaws and fixed it! I wholeheartedly agree with this. I think people underappreciate the SSL for it's actual creativity just because it was terribly implemented. I don't think the rungs should have been retractable firstly (given that that's what caused the glitch on Kong's run), and secondly I don't think landing lop-sided should result in disqualification. Given that it's the SWAP Salmon Ladder, they could've easily just imposed a rule where if you land lop-sided you have to go down and re-do the swap transitions. It's really not that hard to adhere to but nope.... they had to make the obstacle insanely complex and controversial. |
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Aug 12, 2020 4:26:11 GMT -5
The dumbing down of stage 3 in Sasuke 27 took a bit away from Yuuji's win in my opinion. It's a great achievement but never has the course been made so much easier. Sasuke 33 to 35 seems somewhat balanced and reasonable but there's no excuse for 27 given that competitors started doing better on the cliffhanger and someone would've cleared eventually like they conquered shin-Sasuke third stage. In my opinion, they should've kept floating boards in 26, too. I would argue they toned down Stage 3 because they thought the show was likely gonna come to an end, and so wanted to end on a winner. |
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Feb 19, 2021 7:59:34 GMT -5
Bringing this thread back from dead because I found two cases that weren't covered here:
01. Nagano Makoto got his chain stuck on the resting bar at Devil Buranco in SASUKE 16. To prevent this from happening again, the resting bar was made longer and the height was changed to made the resting bar above Climbing Bars in SASUKE 17, as opposed to it being the same height.
02. Akiyama Kazuhiko actually almost failed to get the famous Kanzenseiha back in SASUKE 4. He actually climb the mat of Pipe Slider the illegal way *using the supporting metal below the mat*, so the producers were debating whether he do it legal or not *this also the reason you didn't see smoke coming up right away after he climb to the mat and Akiyama make an O sign to ask if he was allowed to do what he did*. To prevent this, the mat were made so the supporting metal wasn't beneath the mat.
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Post by tns8597 on Feb 19, 2021 8:37:22 GMT -5
If you think about it, to an extent obstacle modifications are caused by an amalgamation of pretty much every attempt on the obstacle and it's subsequent clear rate. I get you're referring to particular modifications caused by particular competitors but I thought I'd extrapolate as it's worth mentioning. There are a few I can think of:
- Jumping Bars reduced from 6 to 4 between Sasuke 15 and 16: not exactly sure who caused this. Nagano and Koji Yamada both failed the original version so you could argue it could be attributed to them, but you could also argue that Shiratori and Takeda had a hand in the modification due to their fails consolidating a stagnance in results which ultimately led to the modification.
- UCCH->Dimension: basically caused by everyone who attempted the UCCH in 36 bar Kawaguchi who sucked a** that tournament. Hioki and Sato landed the first transition for the first time, while we got 4 clears on the obstacle, which ultimately led to the update in 37; I still think it was 100% unwarranted though. Also to think they're likely going to update the Cliffhanger AGAIN for 39, just one tournament after the Dimension was attempted in working order.
- The last three obstacles of Stage 3 from 32-35. You know who led the UCCH+VLK to also be connected to the Pipe Slider (which was ridiculous given that he came nowhere close to clearing the combo as a whole); the regression of results in 33 led that change to be reversed for the following tournament, then Morimoto's fail in 34 consolidated that even the original combo was nigh on impossible. This ultimately led to the green resting bar being added.
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Post by subtleagent on Mar 7, 2021 17:06:57 GMT -5
Rolling Log was given scaffolding after SASUKE 3 as to not violently shake.
Rope Climb was given padding on the sides after Shingo got jammed in the scaffolding in SASUKE 15 (Kujirai did this in SASUKE 4 and Hideyo Kitazawa did this in SASUKE 8, but both of them failed so it didn't matter).
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Post by SasukeBanzukeNo1 (Moon12) on Mar 11, 2021 3:07:05 GMT -5
Great idea for a thread. There are a few that I came up with.
Due to Toshihiro Takeda using the long run up from Half-pipe attack to clear warped wall in Sasuke 21, they made it more difficult to do in Sasuke 22. Or maybe it was done just to mess with Shingo?
I believe Kongu's unfair elimination in Sasuke 30 brought us current Nobori/Kudari Salmon ladder as producers just didn't want something like that to happen again.
Also, regarding wall lifting gap, don't forget Morimoto crawling under huge gap without lifting the wall in 29. Made them reduce the gap in 30.
Along with the disappeance of the long run up to the Soritatsu Kabe, they also modified the bridge from Half-Pipe Attack to that Soritatsu Kabe from SASUKE 21 and 22. From SASUKE 19-21, it was first just a straight platform resting on top of the water from the HPA to the long run to the SK; however, in 22, they made it more of an inclined ramp above the water, from the HPA to the end of the SK. I'm pretty confidant they did that because Iwanaga Sho (a handball player who competed in 21 with Miyazaki Daisuke) almost lost his balance on the landing platform of the HPA, but made a great save by running quickly on the straight bridge to the long walkway before he could fall in. He wouldn't be able to do that with SASUKE 22's bridge. Also, it's worth noting that Kongu wasn't the only one who was wrongly DQ'd because of the Swap Salmon Ladder in 30. Both Nagano and Takeda in that same tournament also went out that same way. Such utter BS. And I also believe they gotten rid of the Passing Wall from 29 and brought back the Walling Lift in 30 (by making the second wall a lifting wall instead of one where it has to be pushed apart) for the same reason you brought up about the gap in the third wall--so that it would be more of a time-waster for Yusuke who barely made it passed stage two due to his smaller size. |
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Post by zoran on Mar 11, 2021 5:46:24 GMT -5
Great idea for a thread. There are a few that I came up with.
Due to Toshihiro Takeda using the long run up from Half-pipe attack to clear warped wall in Sasuke 21, they made it more difficult to do in Sasuke 22. Or maybe it was done just to mess with Shingo?
I believe Kongu's unfair elimination in Sasuke 30 brought us current Nobori/Kudari Salmon ladder as producers just didn't want something like that to happen again.
Also, regarding wall lifting gap, don't forget Morimoto crawling under huge gap without lifting the wall in 29. Made them reduce the gap in 30.
Along with the disappeance of the long run up to the Soritatsu Kabe, they also modified the bridge from Half-Pipe Attack to that Soritatsu Kabe from SASUKE 21 and 22. From SASUKE 19-21, it was first just a straight platform resting on top of the water from the HPA to the long run to the SK; however, in 22, they made it more of an inclined ramp above the water, from the HPA to the end of the SK. I'm pretty confidant they did that because Iwanaga Sho (a handball player who competed in 21 with Miyazaki Daisuke) almost lost his balance on the landing platform of the HPA, but made a great save by running quickly on the straight bridge to the long walkway before he could fall in. He wouldn't be able to do that with SASUKE 22's bridge. Also, it's worth noting that Kongu wasn't the only one who was wrongly DQ'd because of the Swap Salmon Ladder in 30. Both Nagano and Takeda in that same tournament also went out that same way. Such utter BS. And I also believe they gotten rid of the Passing Wall from 29 and brought back the Walling Lift in 30 (by making the second wall a lifting wall instead of one where it has to be pushed apart) for the same reason you brought up about the gap in the third wall--so that it would be more of a time-waster for Yusuke who barely made it passed stage two due to his smaller size. I think in 19, it was first an inflatable mat to kill any run up momentum with the wall being farther away than in 20 and 21. |
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Mar 11, 2021 19:12:41 GMT -5
The dumbing down of stage 3 in Sasuke 27 took a bit away from Yuuji's win in my opinion. It's a great achievement but never has the course been made so much easier. Sasuke 33 to 35 seems somewhat balanced and reasonable but there's no excuse for 27 given that competitors started doing better on the cliffhanger and someone would've cleared eventually like they conquered shin-Sasuke third stage. In my opinion, they should've kept floating boards in 26, too. Counterpoint: There were still 100 competitors who ran the course and the roster for Stage 2 and beyond was pretty stacked. There was Kanno, Tho, Asa, Iketani, Okuyama, Nagano, and some top Americans as well (Campbell, Stratus, Kasemir, McGrath) and only one man beat the course: Yuuji. Am I gonna argue that Sasuke 27 was easier on Stage 3 than in 24? No. I agree with that point. But the fact that it came down to only 2 finalists 1 man beating it despite people saying it's "nerfed" and "they wanted a win" is kind of insulting to Yuuji (and Ryo) when the stats for this tournament almost advocate against that. |
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Post by wrestlingfan55 on Mar 11, 2021 20:41:16 GMT -5
To be honest Yuuji was just way ahead of everyone else at that time, so they were "lucky" that he was the only one ready to win. Maybe David Campbell would have won also if not for his hands losing grip (due to an issue with the sticky spray)- he would have been more prepared for the Stage 4 than Ryo was, I'm sure. Then again there was no guarantee that he'd have passed the Chain See Saw- probably the only good obstacle they added.
I suppose they were also "lucky" that the Metal Spin was so deadly- probably why Stage 2 was the best stage in that tournament.
Back to the original question, I know the Log Grip was modified after 18, due to competitors "turning" the log- not to mention it got stuck during Nagano's initial run (not shown on the broadcast).
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