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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 15:00:32 GMT -5
I have few in mind, but surely I will miss some. Let me start, and I will run it in chronological order.
01. Water Pit of Third Stage's Last Obstacle, SASUKE 7-Now. Yamada Katsumi's controversial landing to the side of the mat in SASUKE 6 on Pipe Slider caused the water pit below to be made larger in SASUKE 7, so that it will covered both sides of the mat. With this modification, there will be only one way to fail Pipe Slider *and every last obstacle in Third Stage to follow*, by dropping into/touching the water.
02. Second Stage's Finish Button, SASUKE 8-Now. James Okada cleared Second Stage in SASUKE 7, but there is a debate whether he did it in time. So, to prevent future situation, the red button was added at the end of Second Stage.
03. Shin-Cliffhanger's Top Frames, SASUKE 19-24. What made me have a thought to start this thread. As we know, Nagano Makoto caused this by accidentally grabbing the top frame of Shin-Cliffhanger's third ledge in SASUKE 18. He DQed himself. Even though the producers decided to give him chance to re-attempt Third Stage, he refused it. In SASUKE 19, there is metal sheet to cover it *and also the first ledge, probably to made it aesthetic*, to prevent future DQ.
04. Wall Lifting's Gap, SASUKE 21-27. Well, we should know who caused the modification. Levi Meeuwenberg. His foot trapped under the Wall Lifting when he ducked below it in SASUKE 20. While it didn't cause major injury, it still concern the producers. Hence, the walls was raised a bit. While it prevent the competitors from getting injured, it was disliked by the fans as it made Wall Lifting a little bit easier *which I am also part of this group*.
05. Spider Flip's Frame, SASUKE 23 and 24. Almost the same case with Nagano. However, Kanno Hitoshi, the one responsible for the frame to be covered, know that his action will lead to DQ, hence he didn't given chance to re-attempt Third Stage.
06. Wall Lifting's Mechanism, SASUKE 32-Now. Wall Lifting's third wall is magically stuck in the air after being attempted by Drew Drechsel *yeah, sensitive name for past few days* in SASUKE 31. The walls had to be forced down to be brought back to its starting position. So, to avoid future situation, new mechanism added, so that the walls won't get stuck in the air, and, to avoid injury, the walls will move down slowly, as opposed to original version when the walls will dropped right after the competitors let go of their hands.
07. Flying Bar's Cradles, SASUKE 34-Now. Well, this is probably the only modifications caused not by specific competitor. Basically everyone who attempt Flying Bar in SASUKE 33 had problems, as only one person out of five to clear this obstacle. Most blamed the safety wire which caused them to had problem landing the bar to the cradle. To avoid future situation, the cradles were made bigger.
This is all I remember. Add yours!
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Post by BigT on Aug 10, 2020 15:42:04 GMT -5
Great idea for a thread. There are a few that I came up with.
After Okuyama failed stick slider in Sasuke 20 they added stoppers on both sides, which added weight and might've made Levi fail Salmon Ladder in Sasuke 21.
Due to Toshihiro Takeda using the long run up from Half-pipe attack to clear warped wall in Sasuke 21, they made it more difficult to do in Sasuke 22. Or maybe it was done just to mess with Shingo?
Due to Urushihara coming so close to victory in 22 despite terrible rope climbing skills, they decreased the final stage time limit in 23.
Since Sasuke 28 all competitors are forced to wear knee and elbow pads on first two stages. Likely due to the one and only Drew Drechsel injuring himself on half-pipe attack.
I believe Kongu's unfair elimination in Sasuke 30 brought us current Nobori/Kudari Salmon ladder as producers just didn't want something like that to happen again.
Also, regarding wall lifting gap, don't forget Morimoto crawling under huge gap without lifting the wall in 29. Made them reduce the gap in 30.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 15:56:30 GMT -5
I think the long run-up was changed because of new obstacle in form of Slider Jump, not Takeda's style, because Takeda also attempt that run in SASUKE 20, although failed and cost him more time as he had to attempt Soritatsu Kabe again. Compared to Flying Chute, Slider Jump did consume more space, and it was only reasonable to move the Soritatsu Kabe a bit, making the long run-up disappear.
Oh crap, you're right with Morimoto's case. I might need to change my statement a little bit.
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Post by BigT on Aug 10, 2020 16:23:17 GMT -5
Compared to Flying Chute, Slider Jump did consume more space, and it was only reasonable to move the Soritatsu Kabe a bit, making the long run-up disappear. I really don't want to move away from what this thread is about but I just want to know - why is this such a big problem? The same thing now - due to large dragon glider they got rid of lumberjack climb. Is there really no way to extend the course? Is there really so little available space? Do they always put each stage in certain location with previously made max length measurements? I am sorry for all the questions, I'm just really annoyingly inquisitive.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 10, 2020 16:31:17 GMT -5
I can think of one. Having the jets in the backstream be toned down between SASUKE 29 and 30 as the former were way too strong coupled with a very strict time limit.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 16:49:59 GMT -5
I can think of one. Having the jets in the backstream be toned down between SASUKE 29 and 30 as the former were way too strong coupled with a very strict time limit. That is absolute BS. And given how my view about Backstream, I would just consider this obstacle invisible.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 10, 2020 16:52:02 GMT -5
The Backstream's jets were actually turned up and down DURING Sasuke 29; they were testing it on competitors (as though they didn't have f***king testers to do that job). After Shingo and Hashimoto nearly drowned, they turned the jets down. Then, after Kongu cleared it was turned back up. As far as I know, only Nagasaki, Asa, and Kanno got through the Backstream with the jets on full force.
To add to this thread, you could argue that the Vertical Limit Kai and Pipe Slider were connected for SASUKE 33 because of you know who's performance in SASUKE 32 (don't even want to mention him at this point ....), and the green resting bar between the UCCH and VLK was added due to Morimoto basically failing right after he started the latter in 34. I think they realised that if Morimoto couldn't do it in optimal weather conditions, everyone else was screwed for SASUKE 35 where the weather was much colder.
Also, controversially I'd say that the Cliffhanger Dimension was halted because Morimoto and Kawaguchi failed Stage 1 in 37. Given that the former was the only competitor to make the Final in the previous two competitions, and they HAD to have a Final because it was being run live, they were worried that with the two 'big guns' out early, no one would clear Stage 3.
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Post by BigT on Aug 10, 2020 17:02:28 GMT -5
The Backstream's jets were actually turned up and down DURING Sasuke 29; they were testing it on competitors (as though they didn't have f***king testers to do that job). After Shingo and Hashimoto nearly drowned, they turned the jets down. Then, after Kongu cleared it was turned back up. As far as I know, only Nagasaki, Asa, and Kanno got through the Backstream with the jets on full force. To add to this thread, you could argue that the Vertical Limit Kai and Pipe Slider were connected for SASUKE 33 because of you know who's performance in SASUKE 32 (don't even want to mention him at this point ....), and the green resting bar between the UCCH and VLK was added due to Morimoto basically failing right after he started the latter in 34. I think they realised that if Morimoto couldn't do it in optimal weather conditions, everyone else was screwed for SASUKE 35 where the weather was much colder. Also, controversially I'd say that the Cliffhanger Dimension was halted because Morimoto and Kawaguchi failed Stage 1 in 37. Given that the former was the only competitor to make the Final in the previous two competitions, and they HAD to have a Final because it was being run live, they were worried that with the two 'big guns' out early, no one would clear Stage 3. This made me think - did testers complete Sasuke 33 third stage? Or did one tester complete that last section?
Not the first time they made overpowered obstacles, too. In Sasuke 25 people did so badly that they decreased the distance between second and third ledge on Ultimate cliffhanger. In 25 they show tester attempting it but he looks to be out of gas while on the third ledge and they never show him completing it.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 17:03:47 GMT -5
I really don't want to move away from what this thread is about but I just want to know - why is this such a big problem? The same thing now - due to large dragon glider they got rid of lumberjack climb. Is there really no way to extend the course? Is there really so little available space? Do they always put each stage in certain location with previously made max length measurements? I am sorry for all the questions, I'm just really annoyingly inquisitive. Have in mind that Midoriyama Studio is not only for SASUKE purpose. You could see the video where Arsenette said she quit SASUKE, and you will understand. So, they can only rent few hundred/thousand metres of the lot to place SASUKE obstacles. This was not a problem during first two eras, seeing that there's almost no drastic changes to the obstacle's gaps. Well, unless SASUKE 16, which is a surplus, because they had that freak Rope Reverse + Reverse Fly combo. But when Shin-SASUKE came, suddenly, every stages is very long. SASUKE 18 broke the record for the longest distance travelled from Start of First Stage to Goal of Final Stage *not stated the exact number, however*. Changes made here and there for next tournaments, and, it is obvious that they can't kept it fit. Remember too, the view from the Final Stage's tower has to be able to capture all three stages below.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 17:06:38 GMT -5
This made me think - did testers complete Sasuke 33 third stage? Or did one tester complete that last section? Not the first time they made overpowered obstacles, too. In Sasuke 25 people did so badly that they decreased the distance between second and third ledge on Ultimate cliffhanger. In 25 they show tester attempting it but he looks to be out of gas while on the third ledge and they never show him completing it. As far as I know, no testers were deployed during SASUKE 33. They did, however, with SASUKE 34, with Nagano attempting Pipe Slider *and it is confirmed by himself he fail the jump*.
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Post by BigT on Aug 10, 2020 17:11:49 GMT -5
As far as I know, no testers were deployed during SASUKE 33. They did, however, with SASUKE 34, with Nagano attempting Pipe Slider *and it is confirmed by himself he fail the jump*. I would love to see that.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 17:16:20 GMT -5
I would love to see that. Sadly, it is only in picture. No videos, probably to prevent another incident suffered by Arsenette in SASUKE 32.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 10, 2020 17:21:23 GMT -5
Controversially I don't think the change to the Ultimate Cliffhanger in 25 was justified. I think that Stage 3 could've easily been completed within 2-3 tournaments; they all just failed early because all the obstacles were new that they couldn't have trained for.
SASUKE 33 on the other hand was impossible. Think about it; 6 obstacles, only 2 rests between them..... ridiculous. The Pipe Slider linkage WAS NOT justified, because a competitor I won't mention cleared the UCCH unexpectedly but failed the VLK immediately... they must've really wanted no one to clear Stage 3 badly.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 10, 2020 17:28:20 GMT -5
Controversially I don't think the change to the Ultimate Cliffhanger in 25 was justified. I think that Stage 3 could've easily been completed within 2-3 tournaments; they all just failed early because all the obstacles were new that they couldn't have trained for. SASUKE 33 on the other hand was impossible. Think about it; 6 obstacles, only 2 rests between them..... ridiculous. The Pipe Slider linkage WAS NOT justified, because a competitor I won't mention cleared the UCCH unexpectedly but failed the VLK immediately... they must've really wanted no one to clear Stage 3 badly. Agree. DD's run in SASUKE 32 made the producers panic and modify Third Stage to be in ridiculous mode. When I see SASUKE 25's Third Stage, I think, well, if someone train enough, they could beat it *although at some point, I consider it the hardest Third Stage ever*. But, SASUKE 33, it was just on another universe, if I can conclude it like that.
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Post by tns8597 on Aug 10, 2020 18:30:57 GMT -5
Same here. I remember SASUKE 25 was the most recent tournament before I got into Sasuke/Ninja Warrior, and I just remember being like WTF no one is going to be able to do this, but having seen the competitors' progression in the last 10 years, I don't doubt that if that happened to be the Third Stage in SASUKE 38 (which it obvs won't, but hypothetically), someone I reckon could beat it. Unlike the Crazy and Ultra Crazy CH, the Ultimate was down to pure training and strength rather than technique and an element of luck.
Comparatively, SASUKE 33 was like: complete the UCCH which is a test of all three of technique, luck, and finger strength, THEN whatever finger strength you have left, which, even in Morimoto's case was basically zilch, traverse another two obstacles, one of which also aggressively uses your fingers. I honestly don't blame them for toning it down in 34, and again in 35, because I think they realised that that combo could've ended Sasuke. If they'd kept it, no one would clear tournament after tournament and people would just get bored, and stop watching. It was a do or die with that green resting bar hhahaha
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Aug 10, 2020 21:46:50 GMT -5
I can think of one. Having the jets in the backstream be toned down between SASUKE 29 and 30 as the former were way too strong coupled with a very strict time limit. That is absolute BS. And given how my view about Backstream, I would just consider this obstacle invisible. Actually the jets were toned down even during 29 itself just after Koji nearly drowned there alongside Shingo earlier. They were bumped BACK up when Kenji cleared...
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Post by azn on Aug 10, 2020 22:10:47 GMT -5
This isn't really a mod done by competitors, but I still think it was BS just seeing it. Stage 3 in SASUKE 29 being timed with only 1 person being allowed to Clear if they got a fast enough time, correct me if I'm wrong but that correlated w/ ASEAN (or ASEON?) OPEN CUP. The stage was already hard as the crazy cliffhanger was still deadly for the competitors and ironically enough, Morimoto would've been the only clear if he didn't botch the dismount of the slider thus making it relatively pointless.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 11, 2020 1:56:31 GMT -5
This isn't really a mod done by competitors, but I still think it was BS just seeing it. Stage 3 in SASUKE 29 being timed with only 1 person being allowed to Clear if they got a fast enough time, correct me if I'm wrong but that correlated w/ ASEAN (or ASEON?) OPEN CUP. The stage was already hard as the crazy cliffhanger was still deadly for the competitors and ironically enough, Morimoto would've been the only clear if he didn't botch the dismount of the slider thus making it relatively pointless. It was ASEAN Open Cup. Yeah, that is pure BS. The blessing in disguise, however, is this is how Morimoto introduce himself to SASUKE. If he fail, most will only remember his crawling under Wall Lifting's gap, not first person to clear Crazy Cliffhanger.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 11, 2020 1:57:42 GMT -5
Actually the jets were toned down even during 29 itself just after Koji nearly drowned there alongside Shingo earlier. They were bumped BACK up when Kenji cleared... I know. But, like I typed, Backstream for me is invisible.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Aug 11, 2020 3:50:12 GMT -5
I mean... the Swap Salmon Ladder being replaced with the Salmon Ladder Kudari/Noboru was due to the amount of disqualifications on the former, but I always felt that the decision was a cop out.The Swap Salmon Ladder was a cool, unique obstacle and they could've ironed out the flaws and fixed it!
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