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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 3, 2020 8:32:20 GMT -5
OK, we had KUNOICHI section here, but it is rarely touched. In SASUKE section, we had this similar discussion. Why not try it with KUNOICHI? Bring on your unpopular opinion(s)!
Mine: Probably controversial. But, the Third Stage *or Black Stage, as they refer it recently* should not follow SASUKE style. It should still test Balance the most, instead of Grip/Upper Body Strength. SASUKE and KUNOICHI should had different styles so that the audience doesn't get bored if they follow both of the shows.
I myself personally wanted Buyoishi and Tourenban to return when KUNOICHI 9 announced three years ago, but, due to the taping place, can't be done *Buyoishi was too dangerous indoor, and Tourenban is just too long. They did had shorter version of Tourenban in form of Sponge Bridge, but the success rate is much higher than Tourenban made me worried about the difficulty of the obstacle*. Hopefully they had budget to do it again at Midoriyama Studio.
NB: By the way, is the number on the link indicate number of threads being made on this Forums? Wow, it just hit 8.000. Unbelievable.
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Post by Cosmic Castaway on Aug 3, 2020 13:24:05 GMT -5
I never got the appeal of K8's third stage having only 1 obstacle. Especially something like the Flying Roll which looks like something competitors auditioning for Sasuke would attempt. I know because footage in G4 of Yuuji Urushihara successfully attempting something like that to get on the competition was shown. Back to Kunoichi, sort of takes away from the notion that each stage is supposed to be more difficult as they progressed.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 3, 2020 13:39:22 GMT -5
I never got the appeal of K8's third stage having only 1 obstacle. Especially something like the Flying Roll which looks like something competitors auditioning for Sasuke would attempt. I know because footage in G4 of Yuuji Urushihara successfully attempting something like that to get on the competition was shown. Back to Kunoichi, sort of takes away from the notion that each stage is supposed to be more difficult as they progressed. I think that is Popular Opinion here, because almost everyone bash KUNOICHI 8's Third Stage for being too similar to SASUKE 22 Trials *yes, one you typed about*. I even in fact hate it myself that I prefer KUNOICHI to be buried forever rather than knowing that the show finally return after two-year hiatus, only to have a very crap Third Stage. Sure, probably one or two would like that style. But definitely not me. Which some sort of make me glad they never do it anymore when Third Stage returned as Black Stage. My only problem is, too many similar obstacles with SASUKE. From what I see, most of people here is fine with that. I mean, Pipe Slider? Cliffhanger? Come on. Bring back Kenzandou, or even unattempted Tourenbou *rounded version of Tourenban*. I just don't like that KUNOICHI slowly turning into SASUKE, to the fact they borrow each other obstacles *Fish Bone was KUNOICHI's original before being borrowed by SASUKE, and Cliffhanger and Pipe Slider, for example, as SASUKE's original borrowed by KUNOICHI*. It is just too boring to see the same obstacle again and again. |
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Post by Cosmic Castaway on Aug 3, 2020 15:49:47 GMT -5
Oh. In that case, I never thought they should have had the second chance round in K8 of riding the dizzying obstacle then scramble for the flag since my usual stance on Sasuke and Kunoichi competitions is once you made the mistake in whatever stage, you're out. The only time I take exception to this is of course Nagano in S23 when it was clear the obstacle malfunctioned. Sure, this would've meant that Asami wouldn't have gone to second stage but my point still stands.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 6, 2020 3:53:58 GMT -5
Oh. In that case, I never thought they should have had the second chance round in K8 of riding the dizzying obstacle then scramble for the flag since my usual stance on Sasuke and Kunoichi competitions is once you made the mistake in whatever stage, you're out. The only time I take exception to this is of course Nagano in S23 when it was clear the obstacle malfunctioned. Sure, this would've meant that Asami wouldn't have gone to second stage but my point still stands. To be fair that is quite unique. To see them ran for the flag create suspense *two of the groups got two women who were close to each other, and one of them have it separated by zero point something seconds!*, that is just great. But I agree, if you fail, then you fail, no second chance. SASUKE 23 is of course different case, Nagano clearly robbed because the rope got tangled. |
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Post by kate🤍 on Aug 9, 2020 0:35:39 GMT -5
I enjoyed KUNOICHI 2009 a lot. Sure, it was different from formatting, but looking at a history of Higuchi and his projects that had just ended, the changes in format only make sense for the tournament. I liked it.
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Post by TCM on Aug 9, 2020 10:17:02 GMT -5
"If it wasn't named KUNOICHI, it would be a pretty good show" is usually the sentiment but KUNOICHI always messed around with the format in some way (only three stages, Stage 2 time trials, Flying Roll). 8/2009 is better than it gets credit for. And with regards to Flying Roll -- there were supposed to be 10 competitors (you can see ten numbered chairs next to the Stage 2 finish line) which would have made it more competitive (or at least lasted longer). But Stage 2 went 5/35, so we only had Flying Roll as a bit part.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Aug 9, 2020 10:30:31 GMT -5
"If it wasn't named KUNOICHI, it would be a pretty good show" is usually the sentiment but KUNOICHI always messed around with the format in some way (only three stages, Stage 2 time trials, Flying Roll). 8/2009 is better than it gets credit for. And with regards to Flying Roll -- there were supposed to be 10 competitors (you can see ten numbered chairs next to the Stage 2 finish line) which would have made it more competitive (or at least lasted longer). But Stage 2 went 5/35, so we only had Flying Roll as a bit part. Well, I don't really mind with First Stage format *although it is not Competitor vs. Obstacles we used to know* as it give a huge difference from SASUKE *which as I stated before is good for the show, because they can't be the exact copy of SASUKE*, but to had only one Third Stage obstacle is absolute BS. True tho, I really hope there is more clear to made it more competitive, but, alas, Second Stage always be dominant *it is where KUNOICHI 1 ended (and as far as we know, other than KUNOICHI 1, only KUNOICHI 7 and 10 to had the tournament not gone to Final Stage, and in KUNOICHI 7 case, the tournament almost ended at Second Stage too), and Miyake's only failure came in this stage*. |
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Post by Cosmic Castaway on Aug 15, 2020 21:40:18 GMT -5
In hindsight, maybe I was being a bit biased thinking everyone hated K8 so i should too and spout gibberish especially when i do remember it being the first Kunoichi tournament i saw in the G4 days.
While i still think the third stage was too short, the second chance relay did give things a twist as if it wasn't for that, Asami Nagano wouldn't have been able to progress further. I do wonder if she had competed in later tournaments if her luck would have changed.
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