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Post by tns8597 on Jul 4, 2020 15:20:16 GMT -5
Who do you think could've achieved total victory but didn't due to poor luck?
My list: - Takeda if he ever made the final - Shinji Kobayashi - Koji Yamada as firefighters have insane rope climbing techniques - Kongu if the rope hadn't got tangled (SUPER unlucky) - Keitaro if he gets past Stage 2......
Honorable missing entries go to Katsumi Yamada (don't think he would've ever repeated his SASUKE 3 performance as he's too big to be fast on the spider climb) and Shingo (his shoulder would've played up at some point).
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Post by xxkingyoshi on Jul 4, 2020 16:34:44 GMT -5
Hmm, the four that stand out to me...
- Nagano should have two. In Sasuke 12, he got incredibly unlucky with the rope sway and missed winning by around 0.1 seconds. - Takeda. If would have made the final, he would have definitely won at least one. - Morimoto should also have two. In Sasuke 36, the rope got tangled right before he reached it and lost at least 4 seconds in transition from the salmon ladder due to this. He ended up missing by around two seconds, or less. - Kongu, Sasuke 24. He was crushing it if not for the infamous rope tangle.
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Post by tns8597 on Jul 4, 2020 17:22:58 GMT -5
I guess I was focussing more on people who had never achieved Kanzenseiha in their careers, but you’re right about Nagano and Morimoto. Nagano could’ve also achieved Kanzen in 21 if it wasn’t for that sh***y gliding ring malfunction, because he would’ve 100% made it in 23 if he had been given 45 seconds for the final, which he would’ve done if he’d made it in 21.
Yeah Takeda just got super unlucky with the Third Stage, it’s a shame he sucks at the Pipe Slider jumps.
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Post by tns8597 on Jul 4, 2020 17:24:13 GMT -5
Also forgot to mention Travis Allen Schroeder. The guy was a beast and he defo would’ve made it if he wasn’t disqualified on the Pipe Slider.
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Post by xxkingyoshi on Jul 4, 2020 17:46:38 GMT -5
Travis Allen Shroeder was a joy to watch. Such an intense looking dude, haha! I thought he was going to break a few of the obstacles due to sheer force.
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Post by m4tt3r0x on Jul 4, 2020 18:46:09 GMT -5
Not entirely based on luck, but:
As Hashimoto Kouji said in his Sasuke 29 run, total victory is a mix of skill and timing. If Kouji was older during Sasuke 24 he would have won. He said himself he was too far from his peak physically and mentally. He could have been one of the best competitors of all time had he not retired so early, but he did have his flaws.
Kong perhaps could have won, but not likely IMO. I don't see why either of the fire fighters would automatically be good rope climbers, and don't think either of them ever would have won. I think Nagano was always better on the rope than Takeda. Ryo had a shot but he has a lot of shortcomings it seems. Tomohiro was very skilled as well.
Bunpei Shiratori, Yoshiyuki Okuyama, and Yamada came into Sasuke late, and at least the first two I think maybe could had came close. Yamada came close in 3.
More or less: 1. Hashimoto - straight up unlucky 2. Ryo, (I guess Tomohiro as well but he could be placed lower for sure) - Ryo could had won if was older in 27 4. Kong - could have been unlucky 5. Shiratori - came in late 6. Okuyama - came in late 7. Yamada - never really was destined to win, he was just at his prime when he started and never stood a chance after Akiyama won
I think Okuyama and Bunpei really deserved a whole lot more but just came on the show too late in life. Straight up poor timing
Tada Tatsuya, Drew Drechsel, and Rene all still have legitimate shots. Can't see any of the other guys still winning except maybe maybe maybe Ryo and Tomo.
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Post by xxkingyoshi on Jul 4, 2020 19:47:06 GMT -5
Yeah, Ryo is so tough to call. He looks so good on some of the harder stage three obstacles and still has plenty of years ahead of him, but he clearly has some sort of focus or drive/determination issues. So many disappointing first stage defeats.
I always thought Takeda looked really good on a rope. I wasn't very big on Koji though.
I would have loved to see Bunpei have more time to compete, as well.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Jul 5, 2020 0:26:30 GMT -5
NGL I feel like Shingo had it rough. Yeah SASUKE 7 was obvious but I'm also thinking SASUKE 5. He had shoulder issues during stage 2 and 3 but if he DIDN'T?! He would have made the final EASY. If he had a go at it then we could have seen him suddenly achieve kanzenseiha in 7 after training for it extensively! I also feel Bunpei in 16 also could fit but that final jump skewered so many promising runs.
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Post by daramunya on Jul 5, 2020 0:44:38 GMT -5
In terms of unlucky I guess Shingo in 7 & the finalists in 8 cuz u know battle in the rain and all that. In terms of people who could legitimately win imo have already been mentioned: Nagano in 12, Morimoto in 36, Kong in 24, Takeda in final stage. I guess Akiyama could've achieved a 2nd kanzen if it wasn't for his eye condition hindering his potential so that's quite unlucky imo. Another what if is Shunsuke Nagasaki. If he didn't trained for the olympics & continued competing during his peak I think he could've done it
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Post by tns8597 on Jul 5, 2020 5:02:32 GMT -5
Yeah, Ryo is so tough to call. He looks so good on some of the harder stage three obstacles and still has plenty of years ahead of him, but he clearly has some sort of focus or drive/determination issues. So many disappointing first stage defeats. I always thought Takeda looked really good on a rope. I wasn't very big on Koji though. I would have loved to see Bunpei have more time to compete, as well. Ryo I think felt invincible from SASUKE 28-30 after his first Final, then after he suddenly failed Stage 1 in 31 his confidence got shaken until 36. I could tell in sasuke 37 that his past Third Stage had made him a little bit cockier, hence why he tried that dumb manoeuvre on the Fish Bone Kai. Bunpei is a maybe if he had completed the Pipe Slider in Sasuke 16.
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Post by tns8597 on Jul 5, 2020 5:06:22 GMT -5
In terms of unlucky I guess Shingo in 7 & the finalists in 8 cuz u know battle in the rain and all that. In terms of people who could legitimately win imo have already been mentioned: Nagano in 12, Morimoto in 36, Kong in 24, Takeda in final stage. I guess Akiyama could've achieved a 2nd kanzen if it wasn't for his eye condition hindering his potential so that's quite unlucky imo. Another what if is Shunsuke Nagasaki. If he didn't trained for the olympics & continued competing during his peak I think he could've done it I don't think Shingo would've ever climbed the tower fast enough, injury or not, but yeah it was unlucky cos SASUKE 7 was basically his last chance until he started to decline in his Stage 3 performances. Kane it's honestly hard to tell because his rope climbing technique was really poor but it was also p***ing it down with rain. Akiyama I also think could've achieved Kanzen in SASUKE 12 if he'd cleared the Pipe Slider. His rope climbing technique is second to none and I'm certain he would've been fast on the Spider Climb. Nagasaki is another one where it's hard to tell. He's not been as strong in his comeback as he was before his hiatus, having garnered a reputation for his numerous mental errors which he just didn't have when he was younger, but then again he also didn't practice for Sasuke for a good 5-6 years. It's hard to tell how he would've been had he stayed from SASUKE 20-28.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jul 6, 2020 6:39:26 GMT -5
Travis Allen Shroeder was a joy to watch. Such an intense looking dude, haha! I thought he was going to break a few of the obstacles due to sheer force. And that was ironic wording because he literally break Pipe Slider.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on Jul 8, 2020 6:18:52 GMT -5
Unlucky:
Nagano in 23. The time limit man...he could've done it.
Kane in 8. I do think he would have done it if it wasn't raining.
Morimoto in 36 and Kongu in 24 for the same reason: they got screwed over by the dang rope.
Takeda for all of his fails on Stage 3.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jul 9, 2020 3:46:32 GMT -5
Unlucky: Nagano in 23. The time limit man...he could've done it. Kane in 8. I do think he would have done it if it wasn't raining. Morimoto in 36 and Kongu in 24 for the same reason: they got screwed over by the dang rope. Takeda for all of his fails on Stage 3. I think even without the rain, Kane will still fail the Final Stage, because he only rely on his hands on Tsuna Nobori, which is terrible technique.
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Post by Rafas on Jul 10, 2020 5:02:36 GMT -5
Takeda almost definitely would've kanzened if it weren't for misfortune in stage 3, and his dodgy shoulder might slowing hm down on the spider climb. Kongu Takashi i felt got completely cheated out of a kanzen, I would've much rather of had yuuji's 27 kanzen be his only kanzen and have kenji kanzen in 24. Also I'm so sad Koji Hashimoto retired before he could make it back to the final, 27 showed how much he had progressed. Also yuuji got completely robbed in 37, so damn unlucky on that pipe slider. Also (again) Morimoto could've definitely kanzened in 36 but he took forever to grab the damn tsuna nobori (rope climb) to climb.
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Post by terrellnelson16 on Jul 10, 2020 8:52:22 GMT -5
I agree with a lot of the previous posts here, but I would also say Yuko Mizuno because all she needed was 1/10 of a second more and she would've done it.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jul 10, 2020 14:45:45 GMT -5
Also yuuji got completely robbed in 37, so damn unlucky on that pipe slider. How is that robbed when it was clearly his mistake? All of other competitors beside him *except Ebihara and Travis, and even that was in the middle of the obstacle* never suffer that during the obstacle's lifespans.
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Post by tns8597 on Jul 10, 2020 15:43:40 GMT -5
I don't think Yuuji would've cleared the Final Stage in 37; I can't see him being fast enough on the Salmon Ladder.
The Pipe Slider issue was his fault but you can't help but feel bad for the guy; he was clearly so focussed on just getting to that Final Stage that he didn't check his mount on to the obstacle. Whether he was robbed or not, whether he would've achieved Kanzen or not, such a shame that one simple mental error can ruin a run in an instant.
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Post by thebobmaster on Jul 14, 2020 1:07:21 GMT -5
I gotta agree with those who said Kongu in Sasuke 24. The other ones slipped up on an earlier obstacle, or struggled with whether...Kongu had a safety equipment malfunction. Between that and the BULL that he went through later on the Swap Salmon Ladder, he has rotten luck with obstacles just deciding he isn't going to get kanzenseiha.
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Post by yusukeisthegoat227 on Jul 14, 2020 20:27:45 GMT -5
-If Travis Allen Schraeder didn't detach the pipe in the Pipe Slider in Sasuke 4, he would've achieved kanzen along with Akiyama. He was trained in the navy with rope climbing
-If Yamada didn't fall off at the end of the pipe slider in Sasuke 6, I really think he could've had a shot. He was 34 then, so he was still in his athletic prime.
-If Takeda ever cleared the third stage he would've had a great shot, considering the climbing he's done as a firefighter.
-It still blows my mind how Nagano was one-tenth of a second from kanzen in Sasuke 12. Imagine how different the show's history would be if he got it then, instead of 5 tournaments later.
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