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Post by tns8597 on Jun 22, 2020 7:05:11 GMT -5
What are your modern day equivalents of the All-Stars when they were in their prime? Given that the Shin-Sedai aren't an actual defined group as such.
Mine are.....
Nagano - Morimoto: probably the most obvious/agreeable one, both are the strongest competitors of their era and have achieved Kanzenseiha Akiyama - Ryo: while Ryo hasn't achieved Kanzen, he's come very close both times he reached the Final. Also, both are incredibly inconsistent and have an affinity for failing the first stage, but always had the potential to go all the way (had Akiyama cleared the Pipe Slider in SASUKE 12, he would've probably achieved Kanzen again) Yamada - Kanno: both are the buff guys of their eras, both are overly passionate and have given up their careers to train for SASUKE, both have experienced downward spirals later in their careers despite being the most likely competitors to succeed prior. Takeda - Jun Sato: incredibly consistent and almost always making it to the Third Stage, and shows potential to clear it (as his Cliffhanger attempts have been getting stronger and stronger, unlike Hioki), but has had a string of bad luck, similar to Takeda. Shingo and Shiratori: not sure tbh
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jun 22, 2020 7:18:41 GMT -5
All of above is correct according to me, bar one.
Akiyama: Kishimoto Shinya. Not only they wore almost similar outfit, they both also struggle to clear First Stage. And both have injury, too *as far as I remember, Kishimoto already miss about three tournaments now*. However, once they clear First Stage, they always go far.
Shiratori: Asa Kazuma. Both were consistent, but heavily injured during their peak SASUKE career. Asa also miss the last three tournaments, right?
Yamamoto: Urushihara Yuuji. Both were funny *at some extent*, and if counting from SASUKE 22 *where Shin-Sedai become popular*, never miss a single tournament just like Yamamoto from SASUKE 1. Both don't perform well recently *but Urushihara of course better*, don't like high numbers because it give them pressure.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 22, 2020 7:46:34 GMT -5
Shiratori I was sort of trying to find an older competitor who was also incredibly consistent during their time; remember when Shiratori was competing he was always considerably the oldest competitor in every Stage 3. I guess Okuyama, who was also a trackstar in his youth similar to Bunpei, and was also very consistently making the Third and Final Stage in his late 30s/early 40s. But I didn't include him as Okuyama hasn't competed since SASUKE 29.
Yamamoto I was trying to think of a competitor who hit his peak very early and commonly makes quite stupid mistakes despite being quite a strong competitor, and was always sort of in the other All-Stars' shadows for most of their career. From like SASUKE 9 onwards, Shingo was never really held in the same regard as Takeda, Nagano, or Bunpei, because he wasn't that strong at Stage 3 and failed Stage 1 every other tournament. I guess Nagasaki maybe? He's also quite inconsistent and has a history of making dumb mistakes, also he's a 'Shin-Sedai' but defo not as highly regarded as Morimoto, Sato, Tada etc.
Yuuji is also a good bet, except he's still very strong on Stage 3 whereas Yamamoto wasn't after his second Final attempt. He's the only All-Star to have never cleared the Cliffhanger Kai.
Kishimoto is a good one for Akiyama, especially as both have often had freak accidents on Stage 1, such as failing the first obstacles etc.
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Jun 22, 2020 11:21:57 GMT -5
I would propose, maybe not right now, but certainly in a couple of tournaments that Tada would be a Bunpei equivalent - civil servant with competitive athletics past who joins later than the rest of the 'All-Stars' and then puts in several brilliant performances. Hopefully Tada is able to stick around longer than Bunpei though!
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 22, 2020 13:14:17 GMT -5
I would propose, maybe not right now, but certainly in a couple of tournaments that Tada would be a Bunpei equivalent - civil servant with competitive athletics past who joins later than the rest of the 'All-Stars' and then puts in several brilliant performances. Hopefully Tada is able to stick around longer than Bunpei though! I thought Tada was a physiotherapist? Bunpei is a hard one because his most well known trait was his 'Shiratori Shrine', but now literally every competitor builds their own Sasuke obstacles. Tada maybe, similar to Bunpei he sort of just came out of nowhere and ended up in the final. Hopefully if his performances were no fluke and he carries on making Stage 3 then for sure.
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Jun 22, 2020 13:44:42 GMT -5
I would propose, maybe not right now, but certainly in a couple of tournaments that Tada would be a Bunpei equivalent - civil servant with competitive athletics past who joins later than the rest of the 'All-Stars' and then puts in several brilliant performances. Hopefully Tada is able to stick around longer than Bunpei though! I thought Tada was a physiotherapist? Bunpei is a hard one because his most well known trait was his 'Shiratori Shrine', but now literally every competitor builds their own Sasuke obstacles. Tada maybe, similar to Bunpei he sort of just came out of nowhere and ended up in the final. Hopefully if his performances were no fluke and he carries on making Stage 3 then for sure. Pretty sure Tada works for the prefecture of Yamagata - hence the cherries, although now you say that I do recall him doing physio, maybe he's moved into local government sports schemes or something?
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 22, 2020 14:28:01 GMT -5
Yeah I think that must be it, because his competitor profile lists him as a government official, but he's defo a physiotherapist and his fluff pieces show him in scrubs.
So I guess Bunpei could be Tada, and Shingo could be Nagasaki?
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Jun 22, 2020 18:56:59 GMT -5
Definitely the great Morimoto has become the new Nagano because exactly like his hero, he's made the Final Stage about 3 times and has worn #100 about the last five times in a row which I know will keep going, if he keeps performing well.
However in Sasuke 37, he heartbreakingly pulled a Flying Chute failure from Nagano because it was the first time he had failed in ages like his hero's Stage 1 failure in 19th tournament and I found that to be the most shocking and sad fail of the competition.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 23, 2020 13:52:40 GMT -5
Definitely the great Morimoto has become the new Nagano because exactly like his hero, he's made the Final Stage about 3 times and has worn #100 about the last five times in a row which I know will keep going, if he keeps performing well. However in Sasuke 37, he heartbreakingly pulled a Flying Chute failure from Nagano because it was the first time he had failed in ages like his hero's Stage 1 failure in 19th tournament and I found that to be the most shocking and sad fail of the competition. Agreed, though saying that, this statement does worry me, because SASUKE 19 was the point at which Nagano's consistency started to decline. From SASUKE 11-18, he cleared the First Stage every time, made the Third Stage 7 out of those 8 times, and the final 4 times. However, since SASUKE 19, he started to fail the First Stage basically every other tournament. Whether this was because of age, or whether the difficulty in the course became beyond his grasp, or a combination of both, I'm not sure. A bad few runs even meant that Nagano stated post-SASUKE 28 that he no longer enjoyed competing, which I'm sure made him do even worse due to less time training/less interest. This makes sense given that other competitors have experienced this, most prominently Katsumi Yamada who let his demons consume him every time he competed. We knew he could compete the Warped Wall in his earlier days but I could tell that he was letting his past failures get the better of him. Hopefully SASUKE 37 isn't that pivotal point for Morimoto, which I don't think it is because he's only 28 (whereas Nagano was 35 at the time of SASUKE 19), and he doesn't seem to have hit his peak in terms of strength or training etc. He will undoubtedly fail the First Stage again at some point in his career (though hopefully not any time soon), but it's a question of whether it affects his confidence as much as it did Nagano's. Some people have that ability to compete in a funnel vision where they block everything out in order to complete the course whereas some don't. Mind you, Morimoto doesn't seem to have been affected by the pressure of wearing #100, compared to, say, Yuuji or Ryo, so hopefully he should be alright.
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Post by zoran on Jun 23, 2020 14:21:32 GMT -5
Definitely the great Morimoto has become the new Nagano because exactly like his hero, he's made the Final Stage about 3 times and has worn #100 about the last five times in a row which I know will keep going, if he keeps performing well. However in Sasuke 37, he heartbreakingly pulled a Flying Chute failure from Nagano because it was the first time he had failed in ages like his hero's Stage 1 failure in 19th tournament and I found that to be the most shocking and sad fail of the competition. Agreed, though saying that, this statement does worry me, because SASUKE 19 was the point at which Nagano's consistency started to decline. From SASUKE 11-18, he cleared the First Stage every time, made the Third Stage 7 out of those 8 times, and the final 4 times. However, since SASUKE 19, he started to fail the First Stage basically every other tournament. Whether this was because of age, or whether the difficulty in the course became beyond his grasp, or a combination of both, I'm not sure. A bad few runs even meant that Nagano stated post-SASUKE 28 that he no longer enjoyed competing, which I'm sure made him do even worse due to less time training/less interest. This makes sense given that other competitors have experienced this, most prominently Katsumi Yamada who let his demons consume him every time he competed. We knew he could compete the Warped Wall in his earlier days but I could tell that he was letting his past failures get the better of him. Hopefully SASUKE 37 isn't that pivotal point for Morimoto, which I don't think it is because he's only 28 (whereas Nagano was 35 at the time of SASUKE 19), and he doesn't seem to have hit his peak in terms of strength or training etc. He will undoubtedly fail the First Stage again at some point in his career (though hopefully not any time soon), but it's a question of whether it affects his confidence as much as it did Nagano's. Some people have that ability to compete in a funnel vision where they block everything out in order to complete the course whereas some don't. Mind you, Morimoto doesn't seem to have been affected by the pressure of wearing #100, compared to, say, Yuuji or Ryo, so hopefully he should be alright. Nagano's performance in Shin Sasuke really was not that bad.
Sasuke 18 - The Best/top 3
Sasuke 19 - Top 13
Sasuke 20 - Top 3
Sasuke 21 - The Best
Sasuke 22 - Top 25
Sasuke 23 - The Best
Sasuke 24 - Top 28
He got 4/7 clears which is the max during that era, no other competitor got more than 4 clears. His Sasuke 23 run is the overall second best performance in Shin Sasuke. He is one of only 10 competitors in Shin Sasuke to have consecutive first stage clears.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 23, 2020 14:39:53 GMT -5
Yes he did well but not as good as before his Total Victory. He wasn't that same competitor who would ALWAYS do well no matter what; he had slip-ups and shocking fails that we'd never have seen in his hay day, like SASUKE 22 and 24. Plus, from SASUKE 24 onwards his performance really started to suck. He only cleared the First Stage 2 out of his last 9 attempts, and only made the Third Stage once. Part of me controversially can't decide whether the All-Stars started to perform worse from Shin-SASUKE onwards because of age, or whether because they just weren't strong enough but the easier course before SASUKE 18 masked that fact.
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Post by zoran on Jun 23, 2020 15:02:58 GMT -5
Yes he did well but not as good as before his Total Victory. He wasn't that same competitor who would ALWAYS do well no matter what; he had slip-ups and shocking fails that we'd never have seen in his hay day, like SASUKE 22 and 24. Plus, from SASUKE 24 onwards his performance really started to suck. He only cleared the First Stage 2 out of his last 9 attempts, and only made the Third Stage once. Part of me controversially can't decide whether the All-Stars started to perform worse from Shin-SASUKE onwards because of age, or whether because they just weren't strong enough but the easier course before SASUKE 18 masked that fact. There are explanations for all his fails post 24.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 23, 2020 15:28:18 GMT -5
What explanations are you referring to? Arguably there are explanations for every fail hahah. I mean let’s go through them:
SASUKE 24: Stupid mistake, tried to go too fast not really sure why 25: Just didn’t get enough height 26: Didn’t get far enough into the walls 27: Ran out of strength 28: Ran out of stamina 29: I’ll give you this one: his foot was injured, but I’m not ruling out that he could’ve failed the wall again 30: I’ll also give you this one: he shouldn’t have been DQ’d 31: ran out of stamina again 32: just had problems with the warped wall as before
Fair enough that 29 and 30 were different circumstances, but the rest I think are due to poorer stamina and technique as a result of age and no longer having the same desire to compete as he did before. There’s only so many first stage fails a competitor can take before they decide to retire, I can think of countless examples of this
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Post by zoran on Jun 23, 2020 15:44:52 GMT -5
What explanations are you referring to? Arguably there are explanations for every fail hahah. I mean let’s go through them: SASUKE 24: Stupid mistake, tried to go too fast not really sure why 25: Just didn’t get enough height 26: Didn’t get far enough into the walls 27: Ran out of strength 28: Ran out of stamina 29: I’ll give you this one: his foot was injured, but I’m not ruling out that he could’ve failed the wall again 30: I’ll also give you this one: he shouldn’t have been DQ’d 31: ran out of stamina again 32: just had problems with the warped wall as before Fair enough that 29 and 30 were different circumstances, but the rest I think are due to poorer stamina and technique as a result of age and no longer having the same desire to compete as he did before. There’s only so many first stage fails a competitor can take before they decide to retire, I can think of countless examples of this 25 he always struggled with springboards. He did poorly at a sportsman event prior and in 17 he nearly failed. 26 He was probably dealing with personal difficulties given his father died later that year. 26 was also announced on a really short notice giving competitors a very short time to train. 26's jumping spider was probably the hardest version of the obstacle ever. Yuuji even came close to failing. 27 He hadn't trained for the ultimate cliffhanger extensively in particular the small ledge. It's worth noting his performance was tied for top 7 and he went further than any competitors in 25 and 26. 28 The show was cancelled prior so it's likely he wasn't training. His morale was probably low aswell since he was being forcefully retired. Nagano spends entire months on a sea vessel, what this means is that his legs are probably less used stable land, weakening his lower body strength. Akiyama suffered from the same problem. The material on the wall was altered aswell due to the complele redesign. His performance was still top 10 that tournament. 29 He got his finger tips on top of the wall multiple times. If he didn't get the injury he would have made it. 31 and 32 Age and stamina yes. For 32 he still got top 10 which isn't bad for his age.
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Post by ChiBiJKT48 on Jun 23, 2020 15:52:54 GMT -5
No, I don't agree, Jumping Spider in SASUKE 19 is more harder. It's just because Jumping Spider were taken out previous tournament and he wasn't used to attempt Jumping Spider again.
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Post by tns8597 on Jun 23, 2020 17:55:42 GMT -5
Yeah the Jumping Spider in SASUKE 19 was much harder.
I guess my point was that you can attribute any failure to a variety of reasons. For example, Akiyama failed the Quintuple Steps because he slipped, someone failed the UCCH because they didn't get a good grip etc. And several competitors didn't train for various obstacles such as new obstacles yet they still passed them.
I think it's in general agreement that Nagano's consistency declined in his later tournaments, especially as so many competitors did better than him in multiple tournaments, whereas from SASUKE 11-17, he went the furthest in 4/7 tournaments, and was last man standing in 6 out of 7. He also only went further in SASUKE 27 than 25/26 competitors because that Third Stage was massively watered down, with the Arm Bike replacing the Roulette Cylinder and Doorknob Grasper, and half a Flying Bar replacing the Floating Boards etc.
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Post by PizzaKing57 on Jan 13, 2021 14:59:21 GMT -5
I'm going to be very specific about my answers, so here it is:
Nagano → Morimoto: Both challengers have achieved Total Victory, worn the coveted #100 on numerous occasions and have usually performed the greatest in a large majority of their appearances, being claimed as the GOATs.
Shingo → Shunsuke: Despite being consistent in most of their early appearances including a Final Stage attempt, both are known for usually making incredibly dumb mistakes throughout the course, especially in Stage 1.
Takeda → Jun Sato: They are both consistent into reaching the 3rd Stage, as well as sharing the record of making it there about seven consecutive times, however they have always failed to beat that certain level.
Akiyama → Ryo: After a successful trip to the Final Stage in the near beginning of their careers, they then suffered a consecutive string of 1st Stage failures, with them barely clearing after.
Bunpei → Kawaguchi: After reaching the Final Stage once, both challengers then performed well in their mid-late thirties, by making it consistently towards the 3rd Stage, until they slowly went into a decline and were both plagued with a couple of 1st Stage fails.
Yamada → Kanno: Both challengers have usually competed shirtless and after aiming to win SASUKE in their early appearances, they later on suffered a bad streak of consecutive 1st Stage failures, despite still trying to keep competing.
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Post by hoseasasuke on Jan 13, 2021 23:18:22 GMT -5
What explanations are you referring to? Arguably there are explanations for every fail hahah. I mean let’s go through them: SASUKE 24: Stupid mistake, tried to go too fast not really sure why 25: Just didn’t get enough height 26: Didn’t get far enough into the walls 27: Ran out of strength 28: Ran out of stamina 29: I’ll give you this one: his foot was injured, but I’m not ruling out that he could’ve failed the wall again 30: I’ll also give you this one: he shouldn’t have been DQ’d 31: ran out of stamina again 32: just had problems with the warped wall as before Fair enough that 29 and 30 were different circumstances, but the rest I think are due to poorer stamina and technique as a result of age and no longer having the same desire to compete as he did before. There’s only so many first stage fails a competitor can take before they decide to retire, I can think of countless examples of this Nagano gave up in 28. He said it himself.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jan 14, 2021 3:31:49 GMT -5
Nagano > Morimoto - Pretty obvious.
Shingo > Hioki - A charismatic, well-liked competitor that is a regular on the show, but who is prone to mental mistakes and probably won't ever beat Stage 3 (like Shingo post Sasuke 7).
Takeda > Sato - A Stage 3 regular that is heavily promoted and one of the strongest regular competitors, but who is unlikely to ever beat Stage 3 and hits that wall in his career.
Yamada > Ryo - An extremely passionate competitor that in earlier days, managed to put in extremely strong performances and 1+ near total victories. However, he has since declined heavily, with significant mental/motivational barriers, and it is unclear if he will ever make a comeback in the long-term.
Bunpei > Tada - This one is actually pretty perfect now that I think about it. An extremely powerful competitor that nobody really saw coming (arriving later than many other competitors in his day), that reached the Final Stage in one of his first breakout runs. However, he then followed this up with a disappointing Stage 3 performance, and is a pretty clear "second" behind the main contender of his era (Bunpei and Nagano, Tada and Morimoto).
Akiyama doesn't really have a clear-cut counterpart. Three tournaments ago I would've said Yuuji (an ex-champion that fell off HARD), but Yuuji's insane comeback streak has essentially rendered this moot.
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Post by tns8597 on Jan 14, 2021 4:19:43 GMT -5
Tada also had an track and field athletics background when he was younger similar to Bunpei
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