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Post by pindermonium106 on May 25, 2019 12:59:52 GMT -5
It seems we're a contestant down before the episode has even started: Yeah it seems to be Don Osbourne the gymnast
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Post by takeshi1 on May 25, 2019 13:33:10 GMT -5
Results: 15 clears out of 19 Most boring episode so far, not worthy of any more reviewing than that - at least stage 2 onwards looks decent. Stage 2 onwards: Double Twister Cannonball alley Salmon ladder Swinging pegboard Wall lift
Crazy cliffhanger Spider flip Flying bar
Mt. Midoriyama (45 seconds, yes I know)
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Post by Sierrae on May 25, 2019 13:50:10 GMT -5
{Spoilers} This episode felt boring as it was just clear after clear however Sam West's run made it interesting. I feel like the ring swing and tilt ladders could have been replaced by something harder and it would be much better.
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on May 25, 2019 17:01:14 GMT -5
Between this and the ridiculous final stage time limit its brutally obvious that production wanted a champion this season. I just hope it's not that showboater with the bird tattoo. Personally I'd like to see the Northern Irish guy make the final (whoever came up with 'Belfast Bullet' did NOT study their contemporary NI history dear lord) but it's basically a certainty that whoever makes it is a winner. Their rope climb would have to be absolutely terrible otherwise. Got to love that one Two Steps from Hell track they keep playing which is clearly the only licensed music that's been paid for too While this episode wasn't very interesting, worst obstacle has to go to that swinging log thing from the semi's with the locking mechanism. Such a momentum killer, even if it did cause a lot of the eliminations. One thing I was suuuper happy to see was the downwards counting timer! I mean, it needed to be 3 minutes as opposed to 5, but it's still all steps in the right direction! Looking forward to the final, even if 'stage 3' is going to be far more interesting than any actual rope climb runs.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on May 25, 2019 19:13:19 GMT -5
Ummmmm that Final Stage time limit is...oof. If someone makes it past the Flying Bar, we can add their name to the kanzenseiha thread. Overall another decent episode. I love how action packed this series is compared to other international versions. I do wish the time limit was 3 1/2-4 minutes, as I think it'd be more intense, but overall a lot of fun to see pure man vs. course, even if the course is easier than others we've seen.
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Post by takeshi1 on May 26, 2019 5:15:25 GMT -5
It's been clear from the very start of series 5 that they wanted a winner - suddenly inviting back lots of previous competitors when they have a track record of not doing so. Then this stage comes along which is clearly designed to be crushed by this year's strong competitor field and that time limit on Mt Midoriyama shows how desperate they are. Ratings are low, they need more viewers.
While inviting back lots of veterans is definitely a positive which I hope they continue if the show gets renewed, the easy stage 1 has certainly diluted the entertainment value. The final episode does look better though (he says hopefully🤞).
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on May 26, 2019 9:08:17 GMT -5
I mean, it's all fine and good trashing MT Midoriyama, but Sasuke 27's Final Stage had 40 seconds on a smaller rope climb, so unless you're willing to disregard Yuuji's Total Victory, it isn't really fair to do the same if NWUK ends up getting a champion next week. Is the hardest? No, but it still ain't easy by any shot. Also, there were only 19 athletes in Stage 1 because one guy literally just didn't show up on the day. Crazy I know. It did? I honestly didn't know that. I would've thought for sure the UK one was shorter, isn't it only 22m or something because of the necessity of the indoor setting? I have a tendency to forget about 27's final stage - when I think rope climb I automatically go to Sasuke 1-4, which had a shorter time limit. EDIT: so my memory is just terrible? Sasuke 1-4 was only 15m and 27 was 20m, apparently (going off the wiki, which is a little dodgy) so the UK version is taller than both? I retract my vitriol! With the general strength of the competitor pool I still expect a win, but apparently the length and time limit are nowhere near as wimpy as I first thought....
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Post by takeshi1 on May 26, 2019 9:58:51 GMT -5
I mean, it's all fine and good trashing MT Midoriyama, but Sasuke 27's Final Stage had 40 seconds on a smaller rope climb, so unless you're willing to disregard Yuuji's Total Victory, it isn't really fair to do the same if NWUK ends up getting a champion next week. Is the hardest? No, but it still ain't easy by any shot. Also, there were only 19 athletes in Stage 1 because one guy literally just didn't show up on the day. Crazy I know. It did? I honestly didn't know that. I would've thought for sure the UK one was shorter, isn't it only 22m or something because of the necessity of the indoor setting? I have a tendency to forget about 27's final stage - when I think rope climb I automatically go to Sasuke 1-4, which had a shorter time limit. EDIT: so my memory is just terrible? Sasuke 1-4 was only 15m and 27 was 20m, apparently (going off the wiki, which is a little dodgy) so the UK version is taller than both? I retract my vitriol! With the general strength of the competitor pool I still expect a win, but apparently the length and time limit are nowhere near as wimpy as I first thought.... Well, when we consider more recent Mt Midoriyamas/ Midoriyami (is that the right plural? Is there are plural?), the US have 30 seconds for a slightly taller final stage, Germany's is 2m shorter but with a strict 25 second time limit, France is I believe same height as UK (I'll have to check that tho) and has a 30 second time limit so I'd say it is generous. Not easy, agreed, but easier than elsewhere in the world at this point in the show's history. They want/ NEED a winner: at this point many casual viewers realise how hard it is and don't bother tuning in because they think no one will win as usual. Getting a winner is their only realistic hope of getting viewers back imo.
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Post by Kane-Not-Kosugi on May 26, 2019 18:01:26 GMT -5
I have a handful of questions regarding finals and a couple of statements. Statements: 1. I love Germany's rope climb. It made for good drama. 2. I despise it when the course is made easier to have a winner. I think there are other ways around audience satisfaction and competitor compensation (like the Mega Wall) that can be added without sacrificing the integrity of the course. I hope the UK Final does have at most 2 people facing Midoriyama and there's a variety of fails. 3. I also am not a fan of making the course harder to prevent a winner. There's a difference between a course renewal and making the course nuts to the point where Stages 2 and 3 are extreme rarities, and I hope the UK doesn't go this route in the future. Questions: 1. How tall is the UK's tower? 2. How tall is it compared to international verrsions? I know there's talk about it if I scroll up but I would like a more specific comparison to other versions. 3. This whole thing about ratings dropping so they make the course easier to have a winner isn't uncommon. There have been many complaints similar in Australia, hence their addition of the LMS prize. . My question is is that what it was like from Sasuke 5-17? I was 4 when Nagano won and was so unaware of the audiences so I would like to know if these complaints/prroblems have always been there or if it's just been happening recently? Overall I hope this final isn't like Sasuke Vietnam season 2 (3 kanzens). I actually hope we have 2 attempts and 1 clear to make things bittersweet.
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Post by KinnikuBanzukeÜberAlles on May 26, 2019 19:22:06 GMT -5
It's not about the height of the tower. It's about the distance between the bottom of their feet/shoes to the buzzer.
That's one of the reasons that I've always been wary of ANW's final stages that don't have distance markers on the sides.
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Post by takeshi1 on May 27, 2019 6:06:09 GMT -5
Questions: 1. How tall is the UK's tower? 2. How tall is it compared to international verrsions? I know there's talk about it if I scroll up but I would like a more specific comparison to other versions Lucky you, I have a list of international final stages on my phone 🙂, enjoy! (NB: I've not included most international versions 🙃): Sasuke: 1-4: 15m rope climb (30s) 5-17: 12.5m spider climb, 10m rope climb (30s) 18-24: 13m heavenly ladder, 10m G rope (45/40s) 25-27: 20m rope climb (40s) 28: 23m rope climb 29-31: 12m spider climb, 12m rope climb (30s) 32-36: 8m spider climb, 7m salmon Ladder, 10m rope climb (45s) Sasuke Vietnam: 1-3: 12m spider climb, 12m rope climb (30s) 4: 7m spider climb, 17m rope climb (35s) Sasuke NW Indonesia 1-2: 12.5 m spider climb, 12.5m rope climb (30s) ANW: 4-6: 23.5m rope climb 7-8: 22.9m rope climb (30s) 9-10: 24.4m rope climb NWUK: 1-5: 22m rope climb (45s) NW France: 1-3: 23m rope climb (30s) NW Germany: 1-3: 20m rope climb (25s)
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on May 27, 2019 7:48:47 GMT -5
People keep saying that they've nerfed the final stage, which is true, but ignore the fact that the exact opposite has happened in the past. Not only has Stage 2 been made harder this year, and the rest between Stages 2 and 3 removed entirely (as in, you move right on to Stage 3 after clearing 2), but in the first 2 seasons ITV outright didn't WANT a winner and so asked them to make the Stage 2 time limits as strict as they were to cull anyone that could clear Stages 3 and 4.
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Post by defaro on May 27, 2019 8:43:26 GMT -5
Questions: 1. How tall is the UK's tower? 2. How tall is it compared to international verrsions? I know there's talk about it if I scroll up but I would like a more specific comparison to other versions Lucky you, I have a list of international final stages on my phone 🙂, enjoy! (NB: I've not included most international versions 🙃): Sasuke: 1-4: 15m rope climb (30s) 5-17: 12.5m spider climb, 10m rope climb (30s) 18-24: 13m heavenly ladder, 10m G rope (45/40s) 25-27: 20m rope climb (40s) 28: 23m rope climb 29-31: 12m spider climb, 12m rope climb (30s) 32-36: 8m spider climb, 7m salmon Ladder, 10m rope climb (45s) Sasuke Vietnam: 1-3: 12m spider climb, 12m rope climb (30s) 4: 7m spider climb, 17m rope climb (35s) Sasuke NW Indonesia 1-2: 12.5 m spider climb, 12.5m rope climb (30s) ANW: 4-6: 23.5m rope climb 7-8: 22.9m rope climb (30s) 9-10: 24.4m rope climb NWUK: 1-5: 22m rope climb (45s) NW France: 1-3: 23m rope climb (30s) NW Germany: 1-3: 20m rope climb (25s) Indonesia correction 1 : 12+12 (30s) 2 : 12.5 + 12.5 (30s)
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Post by sasukestatistician on May 27, 2019 11:58:33 GMT -5
the rest between Stages 2 and 3 removed entirely (as in, you move right on to Stage 3 after clearing 2) There was never a rest between the second and third stage in the UK. They just air all the stage 2 parts first and the stage 3 parts after. Also, everyone needs to keep in mind there is more that goes into the difficulty of the final stage than the height of the rope and then time limit. One other important thing to consider is the force from the belay. Too see how that makes a difference, watch the past two USA vs. the World climb-offs and notice the difference between the tautness from one year to the other. The tautness of the actual rope also makes a difference.
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Post by takeshi1 on Jun 1, 2019 13:52:09 GMT -5
What a final!!!! Liked the course even if it was 75% last year's course. Some real surprises and shocks. Result spoiler below ⤵️ TOTAL VICTORY!!!!! It took 5 series but we're there! Well done Tim 🙂
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2019 13:59:35 GMT -5
What a final!!!! Liked the course even if it was 75% last year's course. Some real surprises and shocks. Result spoiler below ⤵️ TOTAL VICTORY!!!!! It took 5 series but we're there! Well done Tim 🙂
And to think it almost wasn't because the final stage was so shoddily set up...
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Post by pindermonium106 on Jun 1, 2019 16:29:07 GMT -5
What a final!!!! Liked the course even if it was 75% last year's course. Some real surprises and shocks. Result spoiler below ⤵️ TOTAL VICTORY!!!!! It took 5 series but we're there! Well done Tim 🙂
And to think it almost wasn't because the final stage was so shoddily set up... Care to elaborate on this?
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Post by ArbuthnotBlob on Jun 1, 2019 16:39:29 GMT -5
Yes Tim! Aside from Paul Allen, he was my favourite competitor, so I'm glad he made it. Nice to see the Gladiator and Inception music in the soundtrack for this week too!
Would have to say I found the presentation of the third and final stages almost completely lacking in any drama though. They really miss the walk-up shots from Sasuke in giving the events some gravitas. I don't think the indoor lighting helps much though.
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Post by GlobalNinjaFan on Jun 1, 2019 16:39:51 GMT -5
And to think it almost wasn't because the final stage was so shoddily set up... Care to elaborate on this? Heard from some competitors that the buzzer didn't actually stop the timer and so the siren went off and people thought he failed.
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Post by pindermonium106 on Jun 1, 2019 16:44:27 GMT -5
Full Finals results below for those interested Stage 2: Double Twister Cannonball Alley Salmon Ladder Monkey Peg (ANW Swinging Pegboard) Wall Lift (2mins 15secs)
Stage 3: Crazy Cliffhanger Spider Flip Flying Bar
Final Stage: 22m Rope Climb (45 seconds)
Results: Tim Champion - TOTAL VICTORY Ali Hay - Flying Bar (First transition) Deren Perez - Crazy Cliffhanger (Failed jump) Ruel Da Costa - Crazy Cliffhanger (Failed jump) Paul Allen - Crazy Cliffhanger (Failed jump) Teige Matthews-Palmer - Crazy Cliffhanger (Failed jump) Chris De Stefano - Crazy Cliffhanger (Failed jump) Sam West - Crazy Cliffhanger (Moving from 2nd to 3rd ledge) Mike Snow - Monkey Pegs (Failed dismount) Dean Cheetham - Salmon Ladder Greg Ball - Cannonball Alley Jacob Peregrine-Wheller - Cannonball Alley Dan Byrne - Cannonball Alley Toby Segar - Double Twister Chris Sansom - Double Twister
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