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Post by sackeshi on May 31, 2018 18:08:52 GMT -5
or did the contestants just suck.
So I just rewatched the Japanese airing of the 2nd tournament and the G4 airing of the 1st one. Less then 40 passed in K1 and only 30 in K2.
The strange thing was that about 2/3rds through the 1st stage the Viewing pannel (they had till Banzuke got cancelled) had the obstacle in the in the studio and the guy that they had try it did it easily in under 5 seconds.
What are your thoughts?
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Post by SuperTiger on May 31, 2018 22:21:00 GMT -5
While the contestant pool at the time of the first few Kunoichis was certainly weaker, this variant of the Dancing Stones remains one of the most formidable. It does have a few things working in it's favor though.
IIRC this version of the Dancing Stones had significantly smaller "stones" than the one that emerged later on (KUNOICHI 3). This inherently made the obstacle more difficult since the chance of a recovery with a misstep was extremely low. That being said, the two greatest factors at play for the Dancing Stones in these tournaments were recency of the obstacle, and weather. Like many formidable obstacles throughout both Sasuke and Kunoichi, when a new obstacle is introduced it tends to have a lower success rate due to lack of training and/or strategizing. That was definitely a factor here. The other issue (which is especially the case in KUNOICHI 2) is the weather. Both these tournaments took place during the dead of winter. During KUNOICHI 2 is was pouring sleet/snow. I feel like at one point they paused filming during the first stage since it was so bad, but I may be misremembering that. This made the Dancing Stones that much trickier because it made the obstacle super slick. If you didn't hit the obstacle with extreme precision you were done, hence the low success rate. For lack of a better term, production actually dumbed the course down a lot in KUNOICHI 2, but due to the horrid weather conditions they were lucky to get as many clears as they did.
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Post by sackeshi on May 31, 2018 22:41:39 GMT -5
While the contestant pool at the time of the first few Kunoichis was certainly weaker, this variant of the Dancing Stones remains one of the most formidable. It does have a few things working in it's favor though. IIRC this version of the Dancing Stones had significantly smaller "stones" than the one that emerged later on (KUNOICHI 3). This inherently made the obstacle more difficult since the chance of a recovery with a misstep was extremely low. That being said, the two greatest factors at play for the Dancing Stones in these tournaments were recency of the obstacle, and weather. Like many formidable obstacles throughout both Sasuke and Kunoichi, when a new obstacle is introduced it tends to have a lower success rate due to lack of training and/or strategizing. That was definitely a factor here. The other issue (which is especially the case in KUNOICHI 2) is the weather. Both these tournaments took place during the dead of winter. During KUNOICHI 2 is was pouring sleet/snow. I feel like at one point they paused filming during the first stage since it was so bad, but I may be misremembering that. This made the Dancing Stones that much trickier because it made the obstacle super slick. If you didn't hit the obstacle with extreme precision you were done, hence the low success rate. For lack of a better term, production actually dumbed the course down a lot in KUNOICHI 2, but due to the horrid weather conditions they were lucky to get as many clears as they did. I agree that the weather made it worse and the smaller size (Would love to see that version in sasuke/anw as a first obstacle/balance obstacle) The thing I liked about the 1st 2 Kunoichi's was that it felt like the course had actual obstacles, after the K3 nerf they had Hurdles unfailable filler, Balance bridge unfailable filler, hop rocket easy as hell, and the slant filler. Back onto the stones, it did a great job of doing what I think a 1st obstacle should do, get rid of the clown contestants and leave the good ones to move along. The producers you are right were lucky any cleared. When you have literally 3-5 hopefuls you bet hope that they don't slip up. |
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Post by tomatobhutan on Jan 13, 2019 16:47:15 GMT -5
or did the contestants just suck. So I just rewatched the Japanese airing of the 2nd tournament and the G4 airing of the 1st one. Less then 40 passed in K1 and only 30 in K2. The strange thing was that about 2/3rds through the 1st stage the Viewing pannel (they had till Banzuke got cancelled) had the obstacle in the in the studio and the guy that they had try it did it easily in under 5 seconds. What are your thoughts? Where did you find the Japanese airing? |
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Post by kunnai56 on Jan 13, 2019 18:56:04 GMT -5
or did the contestants just suck. So I just rewatched the Japanese airing of the 2nd tournament and the G4 airing of the 1st one. Less then 40 passed in K1 and only 30 in K2. The strange thing was that about 2/3rds through the 1st stage the Viewing pannel (they had till Banzuke got cancelled) had the obstacle in the in the studio and the guy that they had try it did it easily in under 5 seconds. What are your thoughts? To me, the obstacle was brutal. The stones were actually so small that the competitors could not place their entire foot upon the stone. Keep in mind that these are women, and they have much smaller feet than men. As well, weather was devastating, as the tops were very slippery, and so any foot purchase a competitor could get was immediately taken away by water. Finally, keep in mind that these were women, and as a result, their legs and overall heights are usually shorter than mens. So as a result, they really needed to stretch themselves in order to maintain step and balance. So in my opinion, they were very hard. |
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Post by Messup434 on Jan 13, 2019 21:00:12 GMT -5
They’re really, truly, positively, actually very difficult. The main thing is that the steps are so small and rounded (and the weather, as said), and competitors had to have a plan to cross them. I think a lot of people had planned on doing one thing, but, because of the slippery conditions, they were forced into step to another stone and ultimately lost balance because of that.
I miss that as it was truly the iconic starting obstacle for Kunoichi, and I really appreciated how it started things with a bang! Back then, the obstacles in Stage One were mainly assorted balance/agility tests, but now it’s a lot more gimmicky and based-on timing. I do miss those old days, and think starting with the original Stones would be a great show of recognition to Kuno in the previous decade. Definitely more interesting than this Rolling Hill. Actually, anything to get rid of the Rolling Hill is welcome. What’s so bad about the Long Jump?!
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Post by TCM on Jan 14, 2019 11:33:39 GMT -5
What’s so bad about the Long Jump?! I'd say Nagano tweaking his hamstring on the landing which caused his Ni Ren Soritatsu Kabe failure in 29 is a pretty bad thing. |
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Post by Messup434 on Jan 14, 2019 11:37:39 GMT -5
Bad at a bias, maybe. But otherwise did nothing wrong. I’m not advocating for the removing of the Reverse Conveyer because Drew slid off at it or hoping they get rid of the Slider Jump just because Nagano fell off.
Also, it was there in 30, so probably was unrelated.
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Post by kunnai56 on Jan 14, 2019 18:11:34 GMT -5
What’s so bad about the Long Jump?! I'd say Nagano tweaking his hamstring on the landing which caused his Ni Ren Soritatsu Kabe failure in 29 is a pretty bad thing. I mean, there's been a complete bucket list of obstacle-related injuries on SASUKE. Kanno dislocated his shoulder on the Spin Bridge, but that doesn't mean the Spin Bridge is bad or unsafe. Takeda broke his shoulder blade on the Pipe Slider, causing him to fail the Cliffhanger twice in subsequent tournaments. Shingo failed the Spider Climb and popped his shoulder, which later haunted him for the rest of his career. There's nothing inherently dangerous about the Long Jump in the same way that something like the Rope Glider was inherently dangerous, it's literally just a big jump across water. But yeah, back on topic. I believe that the Dancing Stones were very difficult, and like Messup said, it would be nice for KUNOICHI to mix it up by throwing something like the Long Jump, or even something like the Windmill Cross into the equation. |
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Post by tomatobhutan on Jul 4, 2019 18:10:38 GMT -5
or did the contestants just suck. So I just rewatched the Japanese airing of the 2nd tournament and the G4 airing of the 1st one. Less then 40 passed in K1 and only 30 in K2. The strange thing was that about 2/3rds through the 1st stage the Viewing pannel (they had till Banzuke got cancelled) had the obstacle in the in the studio and the guy that they had try it did it easily in under 5 seconds. What are your thoughts? Sorry for reviving a dead thread. Just asking if there’s a clip online of the “viewing panel”? |
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