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Post by Cosmic Castaway on Mar 28, 2018 14:15:07 GMT -5
After watching Ryo fail yet again for the fifth straight time the First Stage after such a stellar performance in SASUKE 30 reaching the Final Stage and getting so close to pushing the button at the top of the tower, I can't help but wonder if he has become the newest victim of the Katsumi Yamada First Stage curse in which no matter how well or badly he performs at each consecutive First Stage, he just can't seem to get further than that stage. I certainly don't want Ryo Matachi to be stuck there forever because he is one of my favorites and he so desperately needs a comeback. What do y'all think?
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Post by Eclipse on Mar 28, 2018 14:29:55 GMT -5
I'm not going to lie, me and my friends have been referring to him as "New Yamada", "Yamada Jr.", or "Yamada II".
It's a shame since he was able to get to the last obstacle of Stage 3 in Indonesia
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Post by wolf4537 on Mar 28, 2018 14:46:35 GMT -5
The guy is in his late 20's, so he will have a lot of drive still for a few more years. I do hope he clears the first stage again, I'd hate to actually see him become the next Yamada. However, the thing is, Ryo is still much more talented than Yamada in regards to overall performance. I don't think Yamada would ever actually be able to do some of these obstacles that Ryo has completed even if he was still in his absolute prime, like the crazy cliff hanger.
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Post by zdude69closedrofl on Mar 28, 2018 16:38:32 GMT -5
Nah, I don't think so. The guy is definitely having some bad luck, but I believe he'll come around. He just needs to work on his upper body, his caricature is obviously not well-versed with obstacles like the Tackle. He's still young and has plenty of energy and talent.
When it comes to the Yamada curse, I'm beginning to be more worried about Shingo, especially since he's clearly getting older...
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Post by PsychoDelusion on Mar 28, 2018 16:43:38 GMT -5
Ηis lackluster Stage 1 performance and his general attitude certainly point to him being the next Yamada, but I think that he'll be fine. He had a solid Stage 1 run this time by and if he finds a way to beat the Tackle effectively, we could see him back to the tower. Yamada was already nearing his 40s when the string of bad runs started so there's a solid difference between them
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Mar 28, 2018 20:51:50 GMT -5
When it comes to the Yamada curse, I'm beginning to be more worried about Shingo, especially since he's clearly getting older... SHHH! Don't let Emily hear you!
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Mar 28, 2018 21:01:34 GMT -5
When it comes to the Yamada curse, I'm beginning to be more worried about Shingo, especially since he's clearly getting older... SHHH! Don't let Emily hear you! *sigh* too late for that one. And sadly I'm starting to think the same. It doesn't help that Shingo legit said he's TERRIFIED of SASUKE now... I worry for him...
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Post by SasukeDoctor on Mar 28, 2018 21:06:00 GMT -5
SHHH! Don't let Emily hear you! *sigh* too late for that one. And sadly I'm starting to think the same. It doesn't help that Shingo legit said he's TERRIFIED of SASUKE now... I worry for him... See, I feel that there's a solid difference between Yamada and Shingo in this case. Yamada is still dead serious about kanzenseiha (no matter how unlikely it is for him at this point), while Shingo seems to go to SASUKE to have fun and enjoy himself. Yamada, as many of us know, was never able to tolerate other people (save for Nagano, cause no one hates Nagano) and would be all "me me me". Shingo on the other hand is clearly hanging out with his friends and there to have a good time. Where Yamada cries, Shingo always has a smile on his face. Is he scared of SASUKE? Maybe. But at this point, with obstacles like the Dragon Glider and the Planet Bridge, who isn't at least a little intimidated? Shingo is a good sport and I feel that if he really sets his mind to it he could clear Stage One again. He did it in 29 (about... 5 years ago...) but if Akiyama could redeem himself after a string of falls, so can he.
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Post by LusitaniaAngel313 on Mar 28, 2018 21:14:15 GMT -5
*sigh* too late for that one. And sadly I'm starting to think the same. It doesn't help that Shingo legit said he's TERRIFIED of SASUKE now... I worry for him... See, I feel that there's a solid difference between Yamada and Shingo in this case. Yamada is still dead serious about kanzenseiha (no matter how unlikely it is for him at this point), while Shingo seems to go to SASUKE to have fun and enjoy himself. Yamada, as many of us know, was never able to tolerate other people (save for Nagano, cause no one hates Nagano) and would be all "me me me". Shingo on the other hand is clearly hanging out with his friends and there to have a good time. Where Yamada cries, Shingo always has a smile on his face. Is he scared of SASUKE? Maybe. But at this point, with obstacles like the Dragon Glider and the Planet Bridge, who isn't at least a little intimidated? Shingo is a good sport and I feel that if he really sets his mind to it he could clear Stage One again. He did it in 29 (about... 5 years ago...) but if Akiyama could redeem himself after a string of falls, so can he. Meanwhile Ryo? He's got time.
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Post by RiderLeangle on Mar 28, 2018 21:39:02 GMT -5
Someone needs to tell Ryo that leg day is a thing.
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Post by YGK on Mar 28, 2018 23:44:16 GMT -5
Someone needs to tell Ryo that leg day is a thing. He should take a step back and figure out how yusuke trains to become so well rounded then add in his own strengths (upper body, speed). The way he's going even if he gets back into a good position he would have wasted years of what should be his prime
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Post by cobrinha on Mar 29, 2018 8:33:30 GMT -5
He trains legs a lot. He trains sprint, push cars aand he works on a warped wall and trampoline also. I really dont know why he is still failing.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2018 9:03:38 GMT -5
Mentally he gave up. That's been a topic of discussion. Once he got to the USA and saw the rest of the world.. it sunk in. The amount of work he'd have to do to get to that level is something he doesn't want to go through. He's hit a plateau and a few years ago that was good enough. Not anymore. Then he got to the final twice and as per tradition the show exploits their weaknesses (doesn't matter who it is) and it took out Ryo and Yuuji because they won't go past their comfort zone. People like Morimoto by comparison breaks out of where he is "comfortable" because that's what you do when you train. If training is easy.. you need to step it up. Ryo won't.
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Post by SRW on Mar 29, 2018 9:08:42 GMT -5
You say that but what does the rest of the world matter to him? Surely just beating SASUKE on his own soil is all what should matter to him and he surely could if he put the effort in he knows surely he can beat SASUKE and after being so close in 30 you would think he would be itching to get another crack at stage 4? I dunno it just makes sense to me. Who cares what other countries shows are doing?
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2018 9:12:16 GMT -5
You say that but what does the rest of the world matter to him? Surely just beating SASUKE on his own soil is all what should matter to him and he surely could if he put the effort in he knows surely he can beat SASUKE and after being so close in 30 you would think he would be itching to get another crack at stage 4? I dunno it just makes sense to me. Who cares what other countries shows are doing? It does when soul searching WHY he lost the final twice. Then realizing that the courses he got to the final are gone - they have been revamped for the current standard which is why he is not getting out of the first stage. When comparing to Yamada in his prime the exact same thing happened. He plateaued, the course changed around him and he never got out of the first stage. Both are mental/psychological impasses. Yamada's talked about that before. Ryo won't accept it and gave up.
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Post by SRW on Mar 29, 2018 9:18:48 GMT -5
I don't think the course as is now is that much different for reasons what are another story but he could practice this tackle and wall combo and overcome it and I'd never back against him in stage 3 it's not beyond him at all. I guess that's why I find it frustrating he's folding. If the change from 31 to 32 was as extreme as a 17 to 18 change up I could empathise with that demoralisation more.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2018 9:26:59 GMT -5
I don't think the course as is now is that much different for reasons what are another story but he could practice this tackle and wall combo and overcome it and I'd never back against him in stage 3 it's not beyond him at all. I guess that's why I find it frustrating he's folding. If the change from 31 to 32 was as extreme as a 17 to 18 change up I could empathise with that demoralisation more. I don't think you realize how difficult adding a power obstacle to the timed first stage actually is. You are used to seeing people like Drew who are BUILT for this excel nicely that you are forgetting how hard it is for people who aren't strong or balanced. The other issues you are ignoring is mentally. Just like people freaked out over big huge obstacles like the UCH when it came out or the SCH when it came out or the double pendulum or the.. it's the point where you can't "coast" anymore and that's what the majority of the Shin Sedai have been doing.. coasting. So you have that and Yuuji failing hard in the USA courses and the combination of the two close friends they turn around and look at the situation and realize that their best days are behind them. I don't believe that but they have convinced themselves of it and it shows. Most of Sasuke is mental. Don't ignore that key factor. Best example = Yamada. There is such a thing as wanting it too much.
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Post by SRW on Mar 29, 2018 9:31:44 GMT -5
I get what your saying I just wish he would at least try to even if once. Yuuji tried once in 34 and cleared stage 1. Maybe he just is not so mentally strong when the big moment comes after all ie his finals. Yuuji clearly mentally stronger in those key moments.
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Post by arsenette on Mar 29, 2018 9:37:05 GMT -5
I get what your saying I just wish he would at least try to even if once. Yuuji tried once in 34 and cleared stage 1. Maybe he just is not so mentally strong when the big moment comes after all ie his finals. Yuuji clearly mentally stronger in those key moments. Which is why Yuuji is 2-time champion. You are also implying Ryo never tried. He has and so has Yamada.
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Post by SRW on Mar 29, 2018 9:48:43 GMT -5
I get what your saying I just wish he would at least try to even if once. Yuuji tried once in 34 and cleared stage 1. Maybe he just is not so mentally strong when the big moment comes after all ie his finals. Yuuji clearly mentally stronger in those key moments. Which is why Yuuji is 2-time champion. You are also implying Ryo never tried. He has and so has Yamada. I said he seems to have not tried to overcome the tackle ww combo.
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